Current Events > Cyberpunk removed from PSN store

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ledbowman posted...

didn't this game get a bunch of 9/10s

On PC
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pres_madagascar posted...

The civilian, enemy, and police AI are all absolutely atrocious and immersion breaking in every way.

Speak for yourself the busted AI doesn't really bother me at all. The story and soundtrack are so good those aspects kind of hide it.
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ledbowman posted...

didn't this game get a bunch of 9/10s

For pc. No one got review copies for console pre launch.

Ign gave pc 9/10 and console 3/10 lol.

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ledbowman posted...

didn't this game get a bunch of 9/10s

reviewers weren't given copies of the console version

Jabodie posted...

Idk if it sounds stupid but I'm still optimistic about playing the game in like a year. It might never be perfect, but it still sounds cool.

It is. The actual game that's there is really good. On PC it's really just bugs that need fixing

Tactical_Spork posted...

This is what feature creep will do to a game. Im enjoying it on PC, but it is very apparent they just kept chucking in every new idea without taking time to finish most of them or make sure the game is working right lol

They removed features that they originally announced would be included though
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oh lol

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Jabodie posted...

Idk if it sounds stupid but I'm still optimistic about playing the game in like a year. It might never be perfect, but it still sounds cool.

I'm in the same boat. I'm still wanting a refund on it, but it does that scratch an itch that I want. I uninstalled it days ago still, and I'm hoping they pull a No Man's Sky and put out a good product months or a year from now when I have a better gaming PC.

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voldothegr8 posted...

Speak for yourself the busted AI doesn't really bother me at all. The story and soundtrack are so good those aspects kind of hide it.

It not bothering you doesn't mean it's not immersion breaking, it just means that you don't really care about immersion
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KINDERFELD posted...

Someone's getting fired before Christmas.

people at this forum are insane

a few days ago people were angry about crunch hours

now they are happy those same people are losing their jobs....

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voldothegr8 posted...

Speak for yourself the busted AI doesn't really bother me at all. The story and soundtrack are so good those aspects kind of hide it.

Look, I love the story and soundtrack too, but the AI absolutely needs work. Not to mention the driving mechanics suck, crafting is pointless, most skills are pointless. The actual game side of things is very broken, but the story and vibe is fantastic.

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Middle hope posted...

Cyberjunk lol

lol

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DarthAragorn posted...

It is. The actual game that's there is really good. On PC it's really just bugs that need fixing

And the AI, and the driving controls and physics, and most of the skills, and the immersion factors.

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pres_madagascar posted...

No, actually the pc version is the best version, but it still has a lot of bugs that can break immersion.

It's not just the bugs though. The civilian, enemy, and police AI are all absolutely atrocious and immersion breaking in every way.

You realize you're telling me to believe something while saying the exact opposite in how you represent the PC version right? I was literally there watching my cousin play it on ps5. I'm not gonna replace that with your claims lol. You just seem like you delusionally want to believe the PC version is best for some reason.

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pres_madagascar posted...

crafting is pointless

Not quite it's good for making ammo on the fly
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pres_madagascar posted...

Crafting is pointless

If you put enough points in tech you can create epic and legendary items. Those certainly are not worthless. Even if you don't invest in it, you can still craft ammo and essentially don't have to worry about running out of ammo then.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

You realize you're telling me to believe something while saying the exact opposite right? I was literally there watching my cousin play it on ps5. I'm not gonna replace that with your claims lol. You just seem like you delusionally want to believe the PC version is best for some reason.

The pc version IS the best from a technical standpoint. That's not remotely debatable in any single way. At all.

What I'm saying is, the game has, deep issues at its core that have nothing to do with technical performance and everything to do with poor design decisions.

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Bio1590 posted...

They removed features that they originally announced would be included though

yeah that doesnt really contradict what Im saying

they just kept adding more and more and ended up having to prune a bunch of likely-broken shit, and were left with a skeleton that would have been much stronger had they focused on the essentials first. Its very apparent the development was somewhat directionless.

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YellowSUV posted...

If you put enough points in tech you can create epic and legendary items. Those certainly are not worthless. Even if you don't invest in it, you can still craft ammo and essentially don't have to worry about running out of ammo then.

Buying ammo at gun stores is easy and cheap.

Legendary guns can be found and upgraded without investing in crafting lol.

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pres_madagascar posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

It is. The actual game that's there is really good. On PC it's really just bugs that need fixing

And the AI, and the driving controls and physics, and most of the skills, and the immersion factors.

The combat AI is fine and I really couldn't give a shit what no name NPCs do while walking around the city. Driving controls are indeed not great on KBM but I have yet to play a game that has good driving controls on KBM. Skills, disagree, they're fine. Nothing special but good enough. Immersion could be better but I didn't think this was going to be a sandbox anyway so...

marc55 posted...

people at this forum are insane

a few days ago people were angry about crunch hours

now they are happy those same people are losing their jobs....

Well its justifiable if that person's screw up resulted in the game being released on last gen consoles in such a shoddy manner.

You're probably brainwashed from 4 years of Trump but there is something called accountability. Look it up sometime.

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DarthAragorn posted...

The combat AI is fine and I really couldn't give a shit what no name NPCs do while walking around the city. Driving controls are indeed not great on KBM but I have yet to play a game that has good driving controls on KBM. Skills, disagree, they're fine. Nothing special but good enough. Immersion could be better but I didn't think this was going to be a sandbox anyway so...

Not the combat AI thats the problem lol.

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Damn did we get 121 posts before mentioning Trump? I guess he really DID lose the election.

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pres_madagascar posted...

The pc version IS the best from a technical standpoint. That's not remotely debatable in any single way. At all.

What I'm saying is, the game has, deep issues at its core that have nothing to do with technical performance and everything to do with poor design decisions.

I think I got a better grasp of what you're saying. I didn't watch closely enough to give an opinion on that and can only say that both people I know on ps5 have claimed it's a good game and I've known and respected their opinions for 15+ years. I only side eye'd my cousin playing it as to not pick up big spoilers, while I played something else.

I'll take back my delusional claim until I see more for myself tho.

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Xbox and PC exclusive, eat is Sony fanboys.

bknight posted...

Xbox and PC exclusive, eat is Sony fanboys.

lol, what the fuck is this take

Brilliant news. These shady mother fuckers deserve to go out of business. Fuck Cyberpunk, fuck the Witcher and fuck CD Project Red

The game has to spawn police meters away because the game doesn't have AI good enough to actually hunt the player. Something seriously went wrong during development. No way that is what they wanted.

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Xbox. Won.

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https://youtu.be/27BztbzPKk8

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Never seen a company lose this much goodwill so fast. I think even Bethesda's fall was slower.

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Darmik posted...

The game has to spawn police meters away because the game doesn't have AI good enough to actually hunt the player. Something seriously went wrong during development. No way that is what they wanted.

Not only do they spawn behind you immediately, but even on max wanted level, you can get in a car, drive a block down the road, and lose your wanted level since they won't chase you and won't spawn if you leave the scene of the crime.

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In their investors call they stated that AI was considered a "bug" so I'm interested in how they'll fix it.
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SSJ2GrimReaper posted...

Xbox. Won.

Nah, has the same problems as, ps4, it's just still on the Xbox store lol.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

In their investors call they stated that AI was considered a "bug" so I'm interested in how they'll fix it.

What if it's like Aliens Colonial Marines where a single typo fucked the whole AI?

https://www.pcgamer.com/all-this-time-aliens-colonial-marines-stupid-ai-may-have-been-caused-by-a-single-typo/

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Huh, it really gets to this level of bad? Impressive.

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Ivynn posted...

Never seen a company lose this much goodwill so fast. I think even Bethesda's fall was slower.

Nah, Bethesda was always known for their bugs, literally always. It just wasn't until fallout 76 that people finally got sick of it.

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pres_madagascar posted...

Nah, Bethesda was always known for their bugs, literally always. It just wasn't until fallout 76 that people finally got sick of it.

They lost a lot of goodwill when they tried paid mods as well
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pres_madagascar posted...

Nah, has the same problems as, ps4, it's just still on the Xbox store lol.

I know I'm just trying to trigger a console fanboy war

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JoeRodonExprien posted...

Brilliant news. These shady mother fuckers deserve to go out of business. Fuck Cyberpunk, fuck the Witcher and fuck CD Project Red

If every major company that put out a shitty product or did something shady "deserved to go out of business" you literally wouldn't be playing any AAA games at all.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

In their investors call they stated that AI was considered a "bug" so I'm interested in how they'll fix it.

I just don't see how that is the case. The open world is designed around the game having no real AI for NPC's.

If it's a bug it's something they specifically worked around for the entire game. Cars don't really have AI so they changed how police work compared to most games and make racing cars rubber band and teleport behind the player for example.

Nothing about it seems broken. Just held together with flimsy tape.

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One_Day_Remains posted...

If every major company that put out a shitty product or did something shady "deserved to go out of business" you literally wouldn't be playing any AAA games at all.

What sort of bullshit is this? If gamers only paid for games that worked then no game would ever be broken. I feared this would just be another shitty overhyped broken game lavished in 9s and 10s and bought up by the masses while they wait for patches and paid DLC no doubt.

But its different this time. Gamers won today. Gamers told these shitty companies were not going to take shitty, shallow games full of broken promises and glitches.

voldothegr8 posted...

They lost a lot of goodwill when they tried paid mods as well

I completely forgot about that fiasco

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Darmik posted...

I just don't see how that is the case. The open world is designed around the game having no real AI for NPC's.

I don't think this is actually the case. Nothing about the open world makes it seem like it would break if the AI was better. Hell, they could essentially completely rebuild the AI from ground up and the open world wouldn't really be effected. They almost seem entirely segmented from eachother which makes it an even worse experience than if the bad AI was actually connected with the open world.

It probably isnt a bug even though they did say it was. But I think they can definitely rework it to function like a proper game and things can fall into place. It would be a lot of work probably but early access games do shit like this all the time and well, this isn't much more than an early access game in the state it's in.
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JoeRodonExprien posted...

What sort of bullshit is this? If gamers only paid for games that worked then no game would ever be broken. I feared this would just be another shitty overhyped broken game lavished in 9s and 10s and bought up by the masses while they wait for patches and paid DLC no doubt.

But its different this time. Gamers won today. Gamers told these shitty companies were not going to take shitty, shallow games full of broken promises and glitches.

I'm saying that "they deserve to go out of business" is a moronic and immature stance. Every major company has done something shitty. Nintendo, Capcom, Konami, EA, Ubisoft, Sega, Microsoft, Bethesda, Blizzard, Activision, Rockstar, etc. You probably can't even name one thing you hate about this company besides how poorly they handled this game
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Smashingpmkns posted...

I don't think this is actually the case. Nothing about the open world makes it seem like it would break if the AI was better. Hell, they could essentially completely rebuild the AI from ground up and the open world wouldn't really be effected. They almost seem entirely segmented from eachother which makes it an even worse experience than if the bad AI was actually connected with the open world.

It probably isnt a bug even though they did say it was. But I think they can definitely rework it to function like a proper game and things can fall into place. It would be a lot of work probably but early access games do shit like this all the time and well, this isn't much more than an early access game in the state it's in.

From what I can think of they would need to completely overhaul the wanted system as well. Including getting police into interiors and roofs without relying on spawn points.

They might need to change up how child NPC's work as well. The game despawns them if you enter the car so you can't run them over but if NPC's have enough agency to drive in a panic that's now gonna be a risk. They would need to add several AI types like NPC's that will fight back if you hit them, ones that flee and a combination. They would need police and civilians to dynamically recognize when other NPC's commit crimes outside of scripted encounters.

It's gonna be a lot of work and I guess I don't really get why this isn't in the game already if it's something they can easily fix. Surely stuff like this would be there for most of its development? Even missions script the vehicles and they will not respond to any outside interference. It goes beyond it being a bug.

Would be great but I honestly wouldn't get my hopes up. Not like CDPR haven't been shady with all of this to begin with. Who knows if the guy making that statement even knows if it's a bug or design choice they made to get the game out.

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Hippocrates posted...

Why do people have such heavy bias against this game, smh

#politics
#game politics
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Darmik posted...

From what I can think of they would need to completely overhaul the wanted system as well. Including getting police into interiors and roofs without relying on spawn points.

They might need to change up how child NPC's work as well. The game despawns them if you enter the car so you can't run them over but if NPC's have enough agency to drive in a panic that's now gonna be a risk. They would need to add several AI types like NPC's that will fight back if you hit them, ones that flee and a combination. They would need police and civilians to dynamically recognize when other NPC's commit crimes outside of scripted encounters.

It's gonna be a lot of work and I guess I don't really get why this isn't in the game already if it's something they can easily fix. Surely stuff like this would be there for most of its development? Even missions script the vehicles and they will not respond to any outside interference. It goes beyond it being a bug.

Would be great but I honestly wouldn't get my hopes up. Not like CDPR haven't been shady with all of this to begin with. Who knows if the guy making that statement even knows if it's a bug or design choice they made to get the game out.

These are all AI issues that aren't dependent on the state of the open world though. And it wont be easy lol they're gonna have to do a lot of work that's for sure. But even with the wanted system or the teleporting cops both could be fixed without touching anything with the map. At best the NPCs interact with the environment as either simple collisions (trash bags exploding into particles mostly lol) or using a vending machine (or a car as a vending machine lmao). They would just have to add a shit ton more dependents than what they already have.
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It's sort of a double edged sword in a way.

Like if they do put in the work and fix the AI then it's like...guys. You clearly released a beta build of this game. There's no denying that. The braindead AI was a placeholder until after release. That's the best case scenario.

Just sucks they were greedy and put themselves into this situation.

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Its their fault, but to be fair, look at what happened every time they delayed the game. They announced it way too early and they were essentially forced to push it out.

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