Current Events > I think Cyberpunk takes KOTOR2's title of least finished released game.

(+) Yeah! (+)

It's been almost 2 decades, that's an impressive title defense without a doubt.

Maybe we'll have a content restoration mod for Cyberpunk in 3-4 years and it'll be a top 5 open world game.(Kotor2 is def a top 5 RPG with restored content and Peragus skip.

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Kotor2 was not remotely the most unfinished game. Not by a longshit.

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New Vegas wins
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pres_madagascar posted...

Kotor2 was not remotely the most unfinished game. Not by a longshit.

Seems like the long shit is Cyberpunk.

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No man's sky? How many of it's promised features were not a valuable at release?

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pres_madagascar posted...

Kotor2 was not remotely the most unfinished game. Not by a longshit.

Of mainstream AAA titles?

They cut a planet. They cut several sidequests short. GOTO's plotline doesn't even resolve.

None of your crew has any sort of resolution after you leave for Malachor V in the base game.

Glitches everywhere. Atris enclave is still one of the easiest places in videogames to get bugged at.

A ton of weapon and item drops that are only obtainable by glitching your character to max level so that the loot table is updated to make it possible.

And so much cut dialogue it could pretty much make another game.


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76?

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LightHawKnight posted...

76?

I don't think it's fair to include games as a service because I can't differentiate if it's unfinished or just their business model to sell you the rest of the game later.

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Godnorgosh posted...

Ever heard of a game called Big Rigs?

I really wonder what's the story behind that game (and I use the term loosely here).
Was it a bunch of talentless "we is makke gud gaem" types who created a barely functional piece of software, or was it a (more or less) competent team who were forced to put an early alpha out because their overbearing publisher was squishing them tighter than a sponge under ten miles of water, or were the devs/publishers so broke they couldn't surivve a single day without a product, no matter how unfinished, drawing in cash.

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xXfireglzXx posted...

Of mainstream AAA titles?

They cut a planet. They cut several sidequests short. GOTO's plotline doesn't even resolve.

None of your crew has any sort of resolution after you leave for Malachor V in the base game.

Glitches everywhere. Atris enclave is still one of the easiest places in videogames to get bugged at.

A ton of weapon and item drops that are only obtainable by glitching your character to max level so that the loot table is updated to make it possible.

And so much cut dialogue it could pretty much make another game.

New Vegas was literally declared as unfinished by Sawyer and Avelone tho

It cut out far more
Legion, their expansion, the entire east of the map, etc
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xXfireglzXx posted...

Of mainstream AAA titles?

They cut a planet. They cut several sidequests short. GOTO's plotline doesn't even resolve.

None of your crew has any sort of resolution after you leave for Malachor V in the base game.

Glitches everywhere. Atris enclave is still one of the easiest places in videogames to get bugged at.

A ton of weapon and item drops that are only obtainable by glitching your character to max level so that the loot table is updated to make it possible.

And so much cut dialogue it could pretty much make another game.

Hope true, but there are games fsr, far more bugged.

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Thompson posted...

I really wonder what's the story behind that game (and I use the term loosely here).
Was it a bunch of talentless "we is makke gud gaem" types who created a barely functional piece of software, or was it a (more or less) competent team who were forced to put an early alpha out because their overbearing publisher was squishing them tighter than a sponge under ten miles of water, or were the devs/publishers so broke they couldn't surivve a single day without a product, no matter how unfinished, drawing in cash.

I think it just appeared one day, like a haunted sock

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nothanks1 posted...

New Vegas was literally declared as unfinished by Sawyer and Avelone tho

It cut out far more
Legion, their expansion, the entire east of the map, etc

I didn't know about that.

Wait, that's Obsidian too. Is Obsidian just really good at releasing unfinished games?

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xXfireglzXx posted...

I didn't know about that.

Wait, that's Obsidian too. Is Obsidian just really good at releasing unfinished games?

Not their fault. They've always been pressure by publishers wanting them to rush out unfinished games and cock strangling their atheist vision for their games.

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xXfireglzXx posted...

I didn't know about that.

Wait, that's Obsidian too. Is Obsidian just really good at releasing unfinished games?

I think for a long time Obsidian wasn't really respected as a capable developer and so was used to push "people will buy it anyway" games.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

I think for a long time Obsidian wasn't really respected as a capable developer and so was used to push "people will buy it anyway" games.

Alpha protocol was excellent all things considered, and kotor 2, neverwinter nights 2, and fallout new Vegas were all superior to their predecessors in almost every way, but marred by cut content and bugs.

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LMAO @ all the people who don't want to acknowledge that Xenogears is an unfinished game.

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Veggeta X posted...

LMAO @ all the people who don't want to acknowledge that Xenogears is an unfinished game.

It is. Disc 2 is one long cutscene and a boss battle, more or less.

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pres_madagascar posted...

Alpha protocol was excellent all things considered, and kotor 2, neverwinter nights 2, and fallout new Vegas were all superior to their predecessors in almost every way, but marred by cut content and bugs.

I'm not saying that was the case, if anything it's clearly not. But that was how they were used by the industry for a long time.

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pres_madagascar posted...

Not their fault. They've always been pressure by publishers wanting them to rush out unfinished games and cock strangling their atheist vision for their games.

Lol thats not true
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nothanks1 posted...

Lol thats not true

It is its

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Just finished WatchMojo's top 10 games of 2020.

They actually had Cyberpunk at #1

pres_madagascar posted...

It is its

Nope
They are always at fault for taking contracts that are no good I get theyre basically indie but they dont have to be dumb
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nothanks1 posted...

Nope
They are always at fault for taking contracts that are no good I get theyre basically indie but they dont have to be dumb

I say tits as, someone who didn't care much for the outer worlds. They need constraints, but not too much.

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Quest-wise, there's quite a lot there. My biggest complaint in that area is with the length of the prologue (I'm talking about the parts unique to each Lifepath). The Corpo one is literally 10 minutes. I haven't tried the others yet, but supposedly they're not much better.

I think Cyberpunk's problems are less with the content and more with features that are missing, implemented in a stupid way or just don't work properly.

pres_madagascar posted...

I say tits as, someone who didn't care much for the outer worlds. They need constraints, but not too much.

They need to learn to program professionally and finish their games
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Blightzkrieg posted...

I think for a long time Obsidian wasn't really respected as a capable developer and so was used to push "people will buy it anyway" games.

I think, in a way they were respected. They were chosen to do KotOR 2 and New Vegas because if their history, coming from Black Isle Studios and being the OG creators of Fallout and a bunch of other classic.

However they definitely weren't respected in the sense that the publishers seem to demand of them far too much for their size.

nothanks1 posted...

Nope
They are always at fault for taking contracts that are no good I get theyre basically indie but they dont have to be dumb

This is such a shite take, especially when you consider that LucasArts decided they wanted to release KotOR 2 a year ahead of schedule. I think it was just 14 months from start of production to release date in the end, so basically at most, one year in actual production before they had to start manufacturing and shipping.

They were supposed to have 2 years production. BioWare got 3 years to make the first game.

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pres_madagascar posted...

Not their fault. They've always been pressure by publishers wanting them to rush out unfinished games and cock strangling their atheist vision for their games.

Jusr like cdpr fanboys obsidian fanboys will deflect blame everytime

I don't know man, Cyberpunk is buggy but KOTOR 2 literally had whole sections of the game missing

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Again, nothing can compare to the horribleness of Xenogear's 2nd disc. Don't yall ever think anything can be worst.

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SRR Capdown posted...

This is such a shite take, especially when you consider that LucasArts decided they wanted to release KotOR 2 a year ahead of schedule. I think it was just 14 months from start of production to release date in the end, so basically at most, one year in actual production before they had to start manufacturing and shipping.

They were supposed to have 2 years production. BioWare got 3 years to make the first game.

Still makes me mad to this day that LucasArts forced KotOR 2 out so early, and have said to deny Obsidian's request to fix things and add content back in after release. Oh well, still a great game and the mods have helped it immensely.

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CADE FOSTER posted...

Jusr like cdpr fanboys obsidian fanboys will deflect blame everytime

No. I fanvoy for no one lol. Obsidian has, fucking up quite a bit.

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nothanks1 posted...

New Vegas was literally declared as unfinished by Sawyer and Avelone tho

It cut out far more
Legion, their expansion, the entire east of the map, etc

To this day some people try to explain it away as it being because its a desert. As if it was stylistically designed to be that way

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KOTOR2 isn't even Obsidians least finished game.

Not sure fair to compare them though as New Vegas and KOTOR2 they weren't even comparable studios. CDPR is AAA and Obsidian was nearer A at the time. CDPR released the game far too early themselves, Obsidian were consistently forced to release early.

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nothanks1 posted...

New Vegas wins

LightHawKnight posted...

76?

And don't forget 2.

Man the Fallout series is sure getting a reputation of being unfinished. You'd think that they'd get the hint eventually that finishing a game before release might make it, you know, better.

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eston posted...

I don't know man, Cyberpunk is buggy but KOTOR 2 literally had whole sections of the game missing

This. Whole portions of character plot that never get resolved. It's a mess of a game that still turned out great. Cyberpunk is fine on high end PCs. The content is there, it's a bit twitchy as it is, and I agree it should not have been released in the state that it is in for consoles. KOTOR 2 was just...well...half the game it could have been.

Also, let's not forget Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines. When It was released it did not work. there were game breaking bugs all over it. Right after it released the studio laid off it's employees the one's that were left had to work off the clock to patch it.

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SoIidLegacy posted...

And don't forget 2.

Man the Fallout series is sure getting a reputation of being unfinished. You'd think that they'd get the hint eventually that finishing a game before release might make it, you know, better.

People still buy the games so there's no pressure for Bestheda to finish fallout games before selling them.

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