Board 8 > Final Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 50: Ardyn... the final character?

(+) Yeah! (+)

I beat Kam'lanaut. Finally used my fest coins to grab Curilla's awakening and then unlocked record boards and stuff. Ironically Curilla's awakening barely helped at all... right after I used it she got hit with the blind status and my other characters ended the fight before she had a chance to remove it. But no regrets, none of the options were that great for me which is why I took so long to pick. 13 dreambreakers down, 4 to go.

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I've been trying to get some percentages Bahamut rat tails but I can only get to phase 3 with FF4 and FFX. Only get about 45-50% on the others except FF1 (because FF1 totally deserves to deal with the Bahamut with the most HP )

Man, oh man do I hate Bahamut phase 2, 5 seconds of doing no damage, having to blow soul gauge meter just to avoid an instant kill, basically needing two cap breaks to even get far. Fuck I really hate all that on top of Bahamut being bulkier than Wodin. I think this is the mechanic I'm hating the most so far in this game's history. Just pure frustration.

Ugh where are the next Wodins, Bahamut is making me feel like uninstalling the game.

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Here are my best percentages so far:

I 31.7%
IV 30.4%
V 30%
VII 100%
IX 57.7%
X 48%

Aside from VII the only one I've put much time into is X. Agree that phase 2 is nasty. The thing I hate most about the fight is Memory Bite, and especially the fact that it can cancel your SBs while you're casting them, sometimes even when the bar is completely full. Adding that on top of a mechanic that forces you to use your soul breaks at that time is just evil.

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So what I've got considered on the Fat Chocobo Awakening select

Garland - I have Garland's Apex and he's in my FF1 team. He's only borderline worthy for my dark team even with this.
Snow - He's a staple in my FFXIII and ice teams, and I basically have every relic for him but this one. Though between his other awakening and sync I may not meter for this.
Maria - I have her Sync and no awakening, and like Snow have most of her other stuff. She is a core member of my magic earth and FF2 teams, which are both two of my stronger teams and could help me push through the dreambreaker or the earth wodin.
Celes - I have a lot of stuff for her, including her Apex. She's generally my Ice Chain holder, but I have no Awakening or Sync for her, so her damage contribution is somewhat limited. She probably wouldn't fit in a FFVI team even with this though.
Squall - I have him fully dived and with ice sync + fire awakening, so dual awakening + renzokuken would be fun. Also ice awakening + ice sync makes him a bit less awkward to run than fire awakening + ice sync.
Cinque - I have her sync and she's a good one for my earth physical team (not one of my better teams) and type-0 team (not one of my better teams)

Any thoughts? I'm thinking it's between Maria (slots in two teams I'm close to being able to beat the next level at) and Celes (increases her power probably the most of the characters I actually use), but Squall over Celes has some appeal too.

Also I'm pretty amused that it's between Maria and Celes. Little FFVI reference there. Hah.

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I'd go with Squall, both Awakenings + HA is nuts, it will help a ton with Cerberus (because the faster you kill him the better, he's like the Syldra of Dreambreakers) and Squall can be used for both Fire and Ice weak Wodin.

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I guess my only real hesitation with Squall is while I'm sure it would help on Ice and Cerberus a lot, on a fire team I'm not sure he slots with my Sync + Awakening Genesis, Auron (I use Balthier as my chain holder instead of Auron, cause Auron with all his stuff does good damage), and Locke. Like if Wodin doesn't do the fire infusion gimmick that the 6* magicite do then it's worth considering but otherwise I don't really have the infusions on Squall to make that work all that well.

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Squall definitely out damages Locke/Genesis/Auron in fire if he has both Awakenings combined, since one is dualcast ice and the other is dualcast fire they stack and Squall triplecasts his HA (potentially quad with his LM2) Here's a video of it in action tearing up Cerebus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4b4ZS1kzv4

Also Wodin doesn't have as severe of a damage reduction as 6* Magicite if you lack the opposing infusion. All you have to worry about is the move that has a harsher penalty for no infusion. (plus for fire weak Wodin it's just slow if you lack fire infusion.)

I also got to the third phase of 10 Bahamut today so I got a few more rat tails. I dunno if I should keep trying for a win for the rat tails mission because of how stressful the second phase is. This fight sucks because of how long it takes anyway and I have to semi stall in phase 1 and rely on Tidus USB1 and save his sync/awakening for the second/third phase to try and break the king's rage.

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I'm late to the party compared to the others in this topic, but I also managed to beat FVII Bahamut.

Jeez, that guy is ridiculously tough. I tried so hard to make Lilisette work, since she's my only FB counter, but I just couldn't keep her alive through that absolutely brutal phase 2. Even though Cait is mostly a mage support, his BSB, Bard songs, USB2, and some debuffs helped much more than I thought, even in a physical team.

@Lopen if you don't do Squall then I'd probably get Maria's. She has a great HA, you can use her on two teams, and getting the first Odin down will make the others easier.

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I think I'm gonna try Earth Magic Wodin first and if I can swing him without Maria Awakening go Squall

Thanks for the input

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Ugh I've been fighting FFX Bahamut for like 3 hours but I can't seem to get past 80%, this fight is just so stressful and infuriating, but it's mostly coming down to healing in part after the phase 2 megaflare. I can only pacify the historia crystals so much at that point but I also have to save meter to heal for third phase, but I have to deal with more pain stacks which makes almost every attack fatal in phase 3. Yuna doesn't have enough meter for phase 3 at that point because I have to blow a soul break just to not instant die from megaflare or keep Orran alive and because I stall in phase 1 Orran's Awakening times are both used up.

Man why does RNG have to screw me over getting Tidus dyad or Paine sync... fuck!

I also blew 15 mythril on the FFX realm banner in hopes of something that could help, got a 1/11 dupe Tidus USB1, *sigh*...

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Dream Selects are up!

Sync

1/11 Sazh Awakening! (I was actually considering this one to help with the Dreambreaker!)

Awakening 1

1/11
Nine Glint+

Awakening 2

Master Monk Awakening

Pretty good outside of Nine Glint, I always get his junk off grab bags... ugh.

Picking Ysayle Awakening now, will decide on the other two later. Thinking Rydia sync+Awakening to beat Bahamut before the mission ends. Though there are other Awakenings I want too like Arc and Faris 2.

Finally beat Magic Valefor, all 6* Magicite complete!



So close to a sub30... oh well. Maybe when I get Ysayle's dualcast LMR someday.

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Sub30'd Lahabrea! I was thinking this guy would be easy because I've seen him be sub30's with less than what I have, but man is he annoying with the defense buffs and interrupts! I was always short a few seconds (and even .06 nanoseconds once!) I'll admit it was luck with Alph dualcasts but I got those anima lens+!



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Not sure what I should take on these selects if anything. For sync, Tidus would help with dragon King, Ultimecia would help with wind Odin, but that's just one fight each and I don't think either it's that powerful of a sync.

They need to drop more Odins so I can see where I need help.

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Ultimecia Sync can also help with magic weak Labyrinth Sandworm in the future as well.

Also I tried fighting Alexander today for my daily magicite and he's surprisingly anti powercreep because if you use too many 30000+ damage attacks he goes into instant kill mode, and with Wodin + CoD HA and Emperor Sync I can get there pretty quick...

I had to hold back on Wodin's summon to phase 2 to prevent that.


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Thanks to the Sazh Awakening from the grab bag I finally beat the FF13 Dreambreaker!



Good GOD this one was annoying. With Sazh's awakening the physical damage buff helped cover the full breaks so I could bring Orran over Tyro and Raine's damage became a lot more manageable with the DR. Big problem was phase 3 where Raines gets SUPER bulky for some reason (and no not the wall, I killed him before he put it up.) Lightning and Noel were struggling to break cap in that phase so I had to refresh Sazh's super and use Orran's BSB and the crit chance bard song to break cap in phase 3.

Mad props to the folks who were sub30'ing this day one, even with all the powercreep I had a wretched time with this guy.

Just FF3 and FF11 left for Dreambreakers!

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WOW Day 1 FF2 Bahamut win! Emperor truly is MVP!



I had to make Gordon's HA but it's surprisingly good! Entrust Orran and he can use his USB to give the party instant casts in the clutch moments!

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I got Gordon's awakening with a 100 gem pull. I usually don't even do them anymore but I had google play credit. But I'm not sure if I can afford to remove Orran and I definitely don't want to lose a DPS character.

What makes his HA surprisingly good? It's just fast entrust, right?

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It's entrust that gives the entrusted person quickcast. I also have him with Mako Might and he entrusts Emperor and he uses his earth chain quicker at the start.

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Oh wow, I thought it gave Gordon quickcast. Giving it to someone else is better.

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Yeah it almost makes me kinda want to pull on the FF2 banner for his IC3 LMR+, but since I already beat Bahamut I'm good for now.

Oh this also opens the Dragonking Record Boards too! Good thing too since I was planning to use Emperor and Maria for magic weak Kalavinka Striker.

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I might be able to do this one, with stacked Emperor and decent Maria and Minwu, but I'm worried about Hilda. She only has her USB1 for healing, but with Cait Sith using his AASB for additional healing, that might still be good enough.

I'll at least give this Bahamut some serious attempts. Unlike other realms, I won't have to be worried about the 20k hits here, between Emperors Sync cmd2, an overstrike chase on Emperor Sync and Maria AASB, OSBs/AOSBs on Maria and Minwu and the potential to just stack 2 BDL relics on Emperor.

My FF2 is stacked. I can probably do dragonking easily if I put a draw or two on this banner. Thing is I need to use Yuna or Mog (I drew his Awakening on the Sync dream select which was nice) as on offrealm but they might be good for it. Mog in particular seems great since it's a magic heavy realm

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I finally beat FF4 Bahamut! Thank goodness I was almost going to pick Rydia sync and/or Awakening! But good ol' Rubicante came out in the end!



Phew glad that one's done! Now that I guess I can pick Arc Awakening for the FF3 dreambreaker. Not sure what sync to pick now though.

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How many cap breaks do you have on these teams? I don't think I have a realistic chance on almost any of these dragon kings.

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I had Maria Awakening + sync and Emperor Awakening 1 + sync, I used Emperor Awakening and Maria Sync to get through phase 1, then Emperor sync after the 5 second wall and stacked Maria Awaking and used her HA for 29999s during the second phase, it skipped the phase 2 Mega Flare. Emperor sync command 2 and his chase broke the king's rage, and I finished Bahamut off with USBs when the cap breaks wore out.

I use Pecil sync and Rubicante Awakening in phase 1 and have Edge use smoldering fire in phase one to do decent damage, he also uses his weakness glint+ and HC since I save his Sync+Awakening for phase 2. Rubicante uses his USB from here to stack fire imperils so Edge can do more damage. Pecil uses his holy magic USB with chases in phase 2 and his LBO and hopefully I skip the mega flare in phase 2 with some lucky dualcasts from Edge. Edge uses smoldering fire under sync+ Awakening to do 29999 damage to King's rage, he can snap Bahamut out of it in two turns. After that it's a DPS race to kill Bahamut before he auto ejects me, and he's gets really bulky later in the fight so dualcasts are crucial. Also Bahamut is so bulky in phase 3 I stick to smoldering fire under awakening just to keep his rage down since Ninjitsu barely misses cap break at rage level 3 so Pecil can hopefully cap break rage 1/2 levels.

Also we got a maintenance announcement for the 27th! Please give us the last Wodins Dena!

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Okay... for II I just have Maria's Awakening, no sync, and Emperor awakening 1 and 2 but no sync.

IV might be more doable since I do have Edge's sync and awakening. No one else in that realm has more than 1 cap break.

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Maria sync is in the Dream select if you want to get it there.

4 you can get through the first phase with good usbs like Barbariccia or Palom.

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Yeah, it's a possibility. There's no new earth elemental content yet in Japan right? I'm leaning more toward Tidus or Ultimecia for that pick I think. Or maybe Exdeath, I have his awakening and if he's viable for dark and holy that would be pretty nice.

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The first Labyrinth dungeon is earth weak and that should be in a few months.

Exdeath is good but I think the issue with him is that he gets outclassed by more recent dark and holy mages (or both with Raines) Still he is Bahamut viable since someone did a mage clear with him, and since he can go white mage he can ignore full break.

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I took a look at that labyrinth fight. 7 million HP sounds pretty nuts. That does make Maria's sync a lot more tempting. There's also Rydia's, who I like more and would help me with IV dragon king... but she's just not as good of an earth mage as Maria. Sucks that she got so shafted on her HA.

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Labyrinths do that stupid 5 seconds of 90% damage reduction Bahamut does too so multiple cap breaks are encouraged.

That said despite the higher HP they're supposedly easier than Bahamut, mostly because instead of the Mega Flare awfulness of phase 2 they do some painting that's like the historia crystals Bahamut uses where the penalty is elemental damage reductions and less pains so it's easier to deal with.

Also you don't know about Rydia's Awakening + sync 1 combo with chain stonja? That makes her better than Maria until Maria gets her Papalymo clone Sync2. The first realm based Labyrinth is also FF4.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

Also you don't know about Rydia's Awakening + sync 1 combo with chain stonja? That makes her better than Maria until Maria gets her Papalymo clone Sync2.

I do know about it, but a while ago I saw some analysis showing that type of combo can be worse than just spamming a good HA. Here's the math for Zidane's version of the combo:

https://old.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/j0okj3/this_guy_are_sick_zidane_insanity_transcendent/g739nle/

I'm not sure how the numbers would compare for Rydia vs Maria but it's not as big of an advantage as I thought. And it requires you to use the sync and awakening at the same time instead of one before the wall and one after.

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I see Rydia being used with the sync/awakening combo in both Kalavinka Striker and the big robot so it should still be good for that. I guess it depends if you have a DPS to take care of the phases prior to the Bahamut wall or if you want to use Rydia to take care of the first few phases then your other DPS to finish him off. If you're using her for Bahamut you're probably gonna want to combine the sync and awakening anyway for the King's rage.

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Yeah, I mean I'm sure she's still usable, but Maria is better.

I did run the numbers. Maria's sphere skills are 9% earth and 9% black magic boost, Rydia's are 18% summon and 6% black magic.

Rydia: 2x cmd1 + chain stoneja = (2 * 18.3 * 1.18 * 1.05) + (15.25 * 1.06) = 59.353 (17 hits)
Maria: 2x HA = 2 * 21.0 * 1.09 * 1.09 * 1.3 = 64.87 (12 hits)

The awakened mode rank bonus ends up making a pretty big difference. Rydia's cmd 1 does give her self fastcast but since I'm using Cait Sith with Allegro I don't think that makes enough difference. They're pretty close. Maria also has an ability double USB which is nice for getting through phase 1s.

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Rydia also has a brave USB for cracking rage modes in case you use her sync/awakening before the wall so she can contribute later.

I guess it depends on if you chose to use her for the FF4 Labyrinth as well or if you just want to have a better chance at beating Kalavinka Striker.

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Okay, for labyrinth there have been 5 groups but only 4 bosses so far is that right? Earth weak, wind weak, ice weak, and IV. It sounds like there's going to be a ton of grinding to do, ugh.

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Fifth one is Fire weak and that has a boss too. The Snow Giant from Type-0. The elemental bosses are split between physical and magic weak as well.

Since Fire and FF4 are so close it's no wonder the Fire Black Chocobo is going to be so popular. Rubicante with his new relics and HA + Edge can handle both the FF7 giant robot and magic weak Snow Giant.

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Maintenance is tonight! I hope they add all the remaining Odins this time.

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They'd better add the remaining Wodins, we're only like 2 months away from Labyrinths dungeons opening. That's be dumb even for Dena to release the end of the previous elemental endgame bosses after the next level of elemental endgame debuts.

I think I should be able to beat the last 6 Wodins, some I'm more confident than others.

Holy physical should be cake, Agrias with her sync was capping on Zalera even after the 70% full break I just had to deal with since I saved Orran's sync for phase 3. Lightning has her dyad, holy sync and both Awakenings and Ramza has his Awakening AOSB in case he needs to clean up.

Holy Magic can be beaten with Rem as a sole DPS, and with Pecil Sync/Awakening/LBO as backup this should be easy too.

Dark physical should be okay with Seph sync/Awakening 1 and Kiros as backup.

Dark Magic should be okay too with Emperor sync/awakening as main DPS and CoD Chain and HA to control rages, but this is the one I'm concerned with the most because the third dps will probably be Ultimecia since I already legend dived her and I have her dark dualcast/infusion LMRs, but she lacks a renewable enDark soul break. I also have Nabaat sync but I'd be concerned about running out of hones without her Awakening.

Ice physical should be good with Squall sync as a main DPS, Kiros with his USB/Awakening as backup and speed boost, chain can either be Fran or Laguna. Fran's got speed, LBO and guaranteed imperil with her HA but Laguna hits harder and his chain has a higher count, hmm.

Ice magic should be okay but Rinoa and Ysyale have both sync/awakening, no dualcast LMR on Ysayle though so I hope I don't need it. Edea has her glint+ and awakening as a third dps though her HA probably isn't worth getting.

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In order of my confidence level:

Holy physical - I think I could probably make two completely different teams capable of beating this one, crystal tower style. I'm planning to use Ramza (Chain, Sync, Awakening), Orlandu (Sync, Awakening), and Lightning (Holy Sync, both awakenings, Holy AOSB). But I also have Ceodore (Chain, Awakening), Beatrix (Sync, Awakening) and Agrias (Sync, Awakening)

Ice physical - Squall (sync and awakening), Ayame (sync and awakening), and Laguna (chain and awakening) should be able to get it done.

Dark physical - I have all of Sephiroth's dark stuff. Choice between Shadow or Seifer for my chain. Not really sure who my other DPS is, probably just Cloud using his wind Sync with his HA, USB1, and darkness glint.

Holy magic - Rem should get this done. I only have a chain for Hope so he doesn't contribute much. I have a couple options with an awakening for my 3rd but no one with two cap breaks besides Rem.

Dark magic - I don't have any dark mages with more than one cap break. Golbez is my chainer and has a sync. Then it's two other characters with just an awakening, I'm not sure which ones yet.

Ice Magic - My main problem is no gen 2 chain. So I'll be trying Laguna, with a stacked Rinoa and Serah with her ATB sync.

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Magic ice will be a major problem for me, but the others shouldn't be too bad.

Magic Holy: Rem should destroys this. If she doesn't, I have others who can help, like Pecil or Minwu.

Physical Holy: Beatrix and Agrias are ridiculously stacked. This will be easy.

Magic Dark: Emperor is nice, but I don't know about the rest. My only gen 2 chain is Golbez, but I have none of his other modern relics. Seymour CSB+AASB might be the better choice. CoD has her HA for guaranteed rage breaking, and I do have her AASB, so she's probably in.

Physical Dark: Almost complete Sephiroth is a certain pick. After that, things get a bit harder. Cloud dark Sync is ok, but not amazing. I have Rufus AASB and enough Sapphires to get his HA if I want a dedicated imperiler, or I could just use Emperor off-stat. Shadow and Seifer both have CSB and an additional cap-break, so either would work as chain. Regardless, this should be more than enough.

Physical Ice: Fran HA+CSB+AASB will be great here, but I'm not sure my dps is up to the task. I have no ice Sync, and my double cap-break choices are Noel and Snow, not quite top-tier choices.

Magic Ice: I might need to run Fran as my chain+Imperiler, but that means I only have 2 dps, and I don't think I have any 2 ice characters capable of dishing out enough damage. No Syncs, no double-AASBs.

Oh for fuck's sake the last 3 Wodins still weren't added in the maintenance?! We're seriously going to get the last 3 around or AFTER labyrinth?!

What is Global Dena thinking holding them back?! Did they want to piss people by not releasing the mind gauntlet or want to "nerf" Rem/Cloud/Seph by holding back their gauntlets?

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I was itching for a fight since we were expecting new Wodins, so I decided to try a new strat for the FF3 Dreambreaker by off realming a healer with Deuce since Aria sucks unless you have her new stuff (which I don't) It worked! Almost got a sub30 too! (by a few nanoseconds off... but I can just wait for some extra powercreep later or hone the HC to 120, but I'm good for now.)



Just 1 Dreambreaker left! FF11... phooey. I think I'm gonna wait on Lion getting her HA and record board for that one. Maybe if the realm banners refresh by then I'll put in some tickets in FF11 if the pool is improved.

Mostly wanted to get this one of the way so I lose the temptation for Arc's awakening on the Dream Select. Now with that free I'm heavily leaning towards Vaan Awakening 2 because FF12 Bahamut is next month I struggled with the Dreambreaker but maybe with that and Vayne getting his record board and HA perhaps I have a chance at that Bahamut? Plus having both Awakenings for Vaan would help with Sandworm. Might do a pull for Vaan Dyad/Vayne stuff on the next FF12 banner as well...

Also FF6's Bahamut was found in the maintenance as well. Heavily leaning towards Terra sync for that overstrike command 2 to deal with King's Rage on that one.

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Oh scratch what I said earlier we did get an announcement for Holy weak Wodin tonight!

https://gamerdude.thisisourcorner.net/ffrk/ingame_announcements.html#?requestedId=8672&pageNumber=0

Weird they stealth added him in (probably because they got a lot of complaints) but hey get your Holy teams ready!

I hope the last two aren't too long either!

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It is weird holy is before ice, but glad we at least get one of them soon. I hope the others don't take too long either.

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It was supposed to be Dark weak first (Japan got that Wodin with the Ayrdn event) Then Holy Weak (the FF1 Garland Dyad) then ice weak last (Ice Chocobo that focused on Josef and Seven.) So that's a bit concerning that they skipped Dark weak especially because he has the most valuable gauntlet.

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Finally a new Odin. I'm itching to use my stamped Rem Sync on relevant content.

How does this guy's damage reduction seem so high? Lightning can't break cap with her HA even at max chain against savage level 3!

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I got a Dark magic weak Wodin clear!



He's harder than I expected, though that might be because Rem is so fast it gets him into the jump to level 3 health area he kept instant killing me.

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