Current Events > What is the best overall dual typing in Pokemon

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Including ones that haven't been used yet. I know a common one is Ghost / normal by virtue of having three immunities and only one weakness

I feel like any typing that combines Fire/Water/Grass is usually really good because it affords great coverage.

Water + practically anything. Water is a great STAB with only two weaknesses.

Ground / Flying is pretty good defensively and offensively.

Ghost Dark + Wonderguard was last time I checked.
I don't know how fairy type works so I'm guessing it invalidates it.
Water Dragon used to be up there too.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Ghost Dark + Wonderguard was last time I checked.
I don't know how fairy type works so I'm guessing it invalidates it.
Water Dragon used to be up there too.

Fairy would beat it, although Fairy is relatively rare

Well ghost/normal is now a thing with hisuian zorua/zoroark

I'd say ground + anything is a great type combo since you get that sweet electric immunity plus a lot of resists to things like stealth rock.

Fairy/Steel. Weak to ground/fire but has some of the best resistances and immunities in the series.

Water/Fairy. There's a reason Azumarill fucking dominates even with relatively shitty stats (even accounting for Huge Power).

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Water/Fairy. There's a reason Azumarill fucking dominates even with relatively shitty stats (even accounting for Huge Power).

Primarina is in the same tier, but Huge Power does a LOT of the legwork for Azu. Water/Fairy is offensive and you need the stats to back it up.

AdrianBeterson posted...

Fairy/Steel. Weak to ground/fire but has some of the best resistances and immunities in the series.

Part of why Zacian-Crowned is banned from Ubers for sure.

Ghost/Dark used to have no weaknesses until Gen 6

Electric with Levitate

Water/Ground with Sap Sipper.

Dragon posted...

Water/Ground with Sap Sipper.

4x weak to Freeze Dry

Honestly gotta give some credit to steel/ flying for defenses.

I feel like water/fire would be a solid typing.

harley2280 posted...

I feel like water/fire would be a solid typing.

Could swap in on a lot of stuff and especially fire moves. And has nice coverage just with STAB moves.

Bug/Steel or Grass/Steel have great defensive typing, as long as you keep it away from a lighter.

gunplagirl posted...

Could swap in on a lot of stuff and especially fire moves. And has nice coverage just with STAB moves.

volcanion definitely has its niche. Water Absorb isn't necessarily what I'd call an "ideal" ability for it, but it does come in handy sometimes

People often talk about pure Electric with Levitate, but Bug/Steel with Flash Fire would be absolutely godly.

https://youtu.be/4cRIC8b7cws

DarkChozoGhost posted...

People often talk about pure Electric with Levitate, but Bug/Steel with Flash Fire would be absolutely godly.

depends a lot on defensive stats. could also be pretty cool if it could learn a couple fire moves

https://youtu.be/nEUALn1APEM

Keep in mind that even with awful typing, if they have the right ability, move set, and stats they could be amazing.

Electric with levitate isn't that strong. Having a bunch of resistances/immunities is much better than having no weakness.

gunplagirl posted...

https://youtu.be/nEUALn1APEM

Keep in mind that even with awful typing, if they have the right ability, move set, and stats they could be amazing.

Tyranitar's typing is godawful for example.

TotACon posted...

Tyranitar's typing is godawful for example.

Yep. There's zero point going for a phosphate defensive set because basically anything with a physical fighting move will one shot every time. But specially defensive sets can manage to get some work in.

TotACon posted...

Tyranitar's typing is godawful for example.

not really as the metagame has proven having obvious weaknesses are better than less obvious ones.

its the same reason everyone thought heatran wouldnt be good, but it turns out you see the water fighting and ground attacks coming a mile away.

either way the answer is fairy steel

Tyranitar's typing isn't that bad disregarding fighting. Innate sandstorm allows it to have way more bulk then it's stats imply due to the 50% boost to sp.def. Dark and rock are great offensive typings. There's a reason it's being OU for so long.

fire/ground

the meme combo

no i don't play pokemon

gamepimp12 posted...

not really as the metagame has proven having obvious weaknesses are better than less obvious ones.

its the same reason everyone thought heatran wouldnt be good, but it turns out you see the water fighting and ground attacks coming a mile away.

either way the answer is fairy steel

Yes, you see the Fighting/Water/Steel/Bug/Grass/Ground/Fairy attacks coming a mile away.

Jshipp24 posted...

Tyranitar's typing isn't that bad disregarding fighting. Innate sandstorm allows it to have way more bulk then it's stats imply due to the 50% boost to sp.def. Dark and rock are great offensive typings. There's a reason it's being OU for so long.

Yes, it's still bad disregarding fighting. People's obsession with x4 weakness is silly and it works both ways. Its insane pseudo legendary stats, movepool and ability allows it to bypass this.

Rock/Dark is an awful type combo. Try thinking about it without a 600 BST and sandstorm to further boost that BST.

To further illustrate, do this mental exercise. Considering Gigalith is probably the "regular" pokemon most similar to Tyranitar, would Gigalith be better or worse if it was dual Rock/Dark?

In Gen II, being Dark was a big advantage

DarkRoast posted...

In Gen II, being Dark was a big advantage

It absolutely was. Tyranitar would hard counter Alakazam which is what makes it seem like it's typing was good.

Tyranitar is great. Dark/Rock is awful. Tyranitar is great despite it's typing.

TotACon posted...

To further illustrate, do this mental exercise. Considering Gigalith is probably the "regular" pokemon most similar to Tyranitar, would Gigalith be better or worse if it was dual Rock/Dark?

i mean gigalith has nothing to take advantage of that typing at all.

it has none of the speed to take advantage of the typings offensive power.

TotACon posted...

Yes, you see the Fighting/Water/Steel/Bug/Grass/Ground/Fairy attacks coming a mile away.

Yes, it's still bad disregarding fighting. People's obsession with x4 weakness is silly and it works both ways. Its insane pseudo legendary stats, movepool and ability allows it to bypass this.

Rock/Dark is an awful type combo. Try thinking about it without a 600 BST and sandstorm to further boost that BST.

steel bug and grass are only used as stab attacks because their poor offensive coverage

water and fairy are good coverage moves but they have pretty poor viable availability.

most of the time you see a TTAR youre either EQing it or your CCing it

Vokrent posted...

fire/ground

https://i.imgur.com/uszjRqq.gif

dead

TotACon posted...

It absolutely was. Tyranitar would hard counter Alakazam which is what makes it seem like it's typing was good.

Tyranitar is great. Dark/Rock is awful. Tyranitar is great despite it's typing.

And of course in later generations, his ability makes him an incredible special counter.

gamepimp12 posted...

i mean gigalith has nothing to take advantage of that typing at all.

So you agree it would be worse if it had Tyranitar's typing. Good.

gamepimp12 posted...

it has none of the speed to take advantage of the typings offensive power

This is the first time I see someone praising Tyranitar's speed over its bulk... but regardless, you mention stats. Very important.

gamepimp12 posted...

steel bug and grass are only used as stab attacks because their poor offensive coverage

This part of the post seems very unaware of what "meta" is considering steel is everywhere and a weakness to u-turn of all things is insanely bad.

gamepimp12 posted...

water and fairy are good coverage moves but they have pretty poor viable availability.

Again, meta. Water, Fairy and Steel are without a doubt the 3 best types in the game, they are everywhere in most metas and being weak to all 3 of them is awful.

gamepimp12 posted...

most of the time you see a TTAR youre either EQing it or your CCing it

May I ask what meta(s) do you play and what's your ranking?

DarkRoast posted...

Including ones that haven't been used yet. I know a common one is Ghost / normal by virtue of having three immunities and only one weakness

Only one immunity is practical though. And even then ghost type offensive moves arent all that comic to go up against.

Makeveli_lives posted...

Only one immunity is practical though. And even then ghost type offensive moves arent all that comic to go up against.

Can you elaborate?

TotACon posted...

So you agree it would be worse if it had Tyranitar's typing. Good.

This is the first time I see someone praising Tyranitar's speed over its bulk... but regardless, you mention stats. Very important.

This part of the post seems very unaware of what "meta" is considering steel is everywhere and a weakness to u-turn of all things is insanely bad.

Again, meta. Water, Fairy and Steel are without a doubt the 3 best types in the game, they are everywhere in most metas and being weak to all 3 of them is awful.

May I ask what meta(s) do you play and what's your ranking?

Honestly you sound like you play Pokmon but dont understand Pokmon.

i wasnt actually praising Ttars speed I was slandering gigliths its literally one of the slowest Pokmon in the game.

giglith doesnt have the speed or movepool to take advantage of the stuff Ttar was know to take advantage of.

Do me a favor. Name 5 Pokmon each in sword and shield OU and UU that use steel grass fairy or water coverage. Its not a lot as those moves are typically reserved for STAB attacks either due to poor distribution or lack of coverage.

90% of the time you see a move from those types. You should see it coming.

in battle Ttar shouldnt be getting hit with uturn often because is such an obvious move you should be predicting it. The same goes with any water fairy grass or steel move.

those typings dont have great move distribution, so you arent gonna see a Pokmon Ttar beats, pulling out a random energy ball or surf. Because they typically lose SE coverage to do it.

gamepimp12 posted...

Honestly you sound like you play Pokmon but dont understand Pokmon.

i wasnt actually praising Ttars speed I was slandering gigliths its literally one of the slowest Pokmon in the game.

giglith doesnt have the speed or movepool to take advantage of the stuff Ttar was know to take advantage of.

Do me a favor. Name 5 Pokmon each in sword and shield OU and UU that use steel grass fairy or water coverage. Its not a lot as those moves are typically reserved for STAB attacks either due to poor distribution or lack of coverage.

90% of the time you see a move from those types. You should see it coming.

in battle Ttar shouldnt be getting hit with uturn often because is such an obvious move you should be predicting it. The same goes with any water fairy grass or steel move.

those typings dont have great move distribution, so you arent gonna see a Pokmon Ttar beats, pulling out a random energy ball or surf. Because they typically lose SE coverage to do it.

What if Tyranitar could learn sucker punch tho

TotACon posted...

Can you elaborate?

Hes actually making the same point I am.

Normal type attacks are so uncommon the only viable Pokmon that uses them are H-zoroak.

Ghost is pretty much used only on stab, itll come in handy but its not so good or common youll be switching into shadow balls every game.

the Fighting weakness is the one thats extremely valuable here something you will be using every match.

Granted ghost normal is a good typing for its offensive ability and its immunities are just cherries on top.

DarkRoast posted...

What if Tyranitar could learn sucker punch tho

I mean ttar would obviously become better I dont know how much better it would be, it really misses pursuit.

i think it would help his matchup against alakazam and maybe few other dark weak Pokmon that he has to be careful with the dark coverage with.

gamepimp12 posted...

I mean ttar would obviously become better I dont know how much better it would be, it really misses pursuit.

i think it would help his matchup against alakazam and maybe few other dark weak Pokmon that he has to be careful with the dark coverage with.

Suck it, Lunala

gamepimp12 posted...

Honestly you sound like you play Pokmon but dont understand Pokmon.

gamepimp12 posted...

90% of the time you see a move from those types. You should see it coming.

in battle Ttar shouldnt be getting hit with uturn often because is such an obvious move you should be predicting it. The same goes with any water fairy grass or steel move.

These two are extremely ironic when put in the same post. You think the only way to "use" Tyranitar's weaknesses in your favor is to abuse surprise coverage?

I repeat my question, which you ignored.

TotACon posted...

May I ask what meta(s) do you play and what's your ranking?

Probably not the best, but steel/Flying is a great typing. It's one reason why Corviknight and Skarmory are as good as they are.

TotACon posted...

These two are extremely ironic when put in the same post. You think the only way to "use" Tyranitar's weaknesses in your favor is to abuse surprise coverage?

I repeat my question, which you ignored.

yes people arent running megahorn to beat Ttar.

dragapult or the lati twins wouldnt run surf/hydro pump to beat ttar.

water steel grass and to a lesser extent fairy arent moved people just slap on Pokmon

gamepimp12 posted...

yes people arent running megahorn to beat Ttar.

dragapult or the lati twins wouldnt run surf/hydro pump to beat ttar.

water steel grass and to a lesser extent fairy arent moved people just slap on Pokmon

This is correct. It's also unnecessary, and none of this means Dark/Rock is a good typing, though.

TotACon posted...

May I ask what meta(s) do you play and what's your ranking?

Let me show you something:

https://youtu.be/4cRIC8b7cws?t=131

144/153

https://playpokemon.fandom.com/wiki/Wolfe_Glick

Fairy/steel is cracked and I'm not sure anything else really comes close

Zacian may be biasing me though

RPG_Eater posted...

Fairy/steel is cracked and I'm not sure anything else really comes close

Zacian may be biasing me though

Zacian is broken in literally every aspect, typing included.

TotACon posted...

Zacian is broken in literally every aspect, typing included.

Having absurdly high base attack and THEN getting a free +1 to attack on switch-in is absurd.
Not to mention he's got a base speed of 148(!!!!!!)