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I keep expecting 35 year-old games to be dogshit and they just aren't (ignoring the fucking yoku blocks) this is so fucked up

yes i did use savestates and rewinds i value my time

Nothing wrong with emulation tools tbqh, Megaman 1 is good but 2-4 perfect it

It's a little rough compared to all of the sequels, but it holds up better than most NES games from that time.

It's the Darksouls of 2D platform shooters

Garioshi posted...

I keep expecting 35 year-old games to be dogshit and they just aren't (ignoring the fucking yoku blocks) this is so fucked up

yes i did use savestates and rewinds i value my time

The spoilers reason is the only reason you are saying this

The rest of the games are pretty great after 1 tho

Nosferatu_Zodd posted...

The spoilers reason is the only reason you are saying this

I didn't use them that much! I went through Cut Man and Guts Man and Bomb Man with zero tools, and I only busted the tools out for bosses (to learn their patterns) and incredibly irritating platforming segments.

Save states are fucking awesome as they maximize replay value and is a great QoL feature. They should be an implemented feature along with a speedup button in every remaster of an old game.

Garioshi posted...

I didn't use them that much! I went through Cut Man and Guts Man and Bomb Man with zero tools, and I only busted the tools out for bosses (to learn their patterns) and incredibly irritating platforming segments.

Did you get to the Rock Man boss yet?

Nosferatu_Zodd posted...

Did you get to the Rock Man boss yet?

I cheesed it, as you do.

Elecbeam pause exploit saves the game from being a bad weekend rental.

Mega Man 1 (NES) was the one game that I got so good at that I could beat it without dying

Garioshi posted...

I cheesed it, as you do.

Have you played the following entries or is this your first MM game?

Garioshi posted...

I keep expecting 35 year-old games to be dogshit

That's your first mistake.

Nosferatu_Zodd posted...

Have you played the following entries or is this your first MM game?

I've played X, a few hours of X2, and couple minutes of 2 and 4. I'm decently familiar with the series via osmosis, however.

Last time I tried to play through, I quit on the MM Clone battle. Not just because he was kicking my ass, but the principle of it infuriated me the most; if we're the exact same, then why the fuck am I the only one taking damage when he bumps into me?!

The trope of taking damage simply from enemies bumping into you has bugged me ever since I was a kid; sure, it was a necessary limitation for early-era action platformers, but I still hated it. I distinctly remember being immediately taken with Secret of Mana as a kid because you could literally push enemies around, and they had to actually make an attack to deal damage.

Garioshi posted...

I've played X, a few hours of X2, and couple minutes of 2 and 4. I'm decently familiar with the series via osmosis, however.

I did a run through all the MM, MMX, and MMZ games recently.

There were a few I dropped (MM8, X7, X8 last boss, and didn't play MM11)

They were all enjoyable aside from MMX5 - MMX7

Nosferatu_Zodd posted...

I did a run through all the MM, MMX, and MMZ games recently.

There were a few I dropped (MM8, X7, X8 last boss, and didn't play MM11)

They were all enjoyable aside from MMX5 - MMX7

Glad you don't include X4 in that bad list, personal favorite

whats your current high score?

masterpug53 posted...

Last time I tried to play through, I quit on the MM Clone battle.

Clone falls hard to elecbeam pause shenanigans.

I've been spamming fire man's weapon at the clone for years now and that generally works well enough.

Finished 2, much better overall except for the final few bosses.

I "cheated" everytime, I fought the yellow devil. I feel like that's more of an exploit/oversight so if it is there, I am going to use it. (The pause elec trick) But other than that Megaman 1 seems to get slammed hard pretty often and I dunno why. It's not great but I don't think it really is much worse than the 2nd if it even is. Just the 2nd one is the one that got the series the fame.

3 is a definite step down in quality :(

3 is second worst behind 1 imo

I found Yellow Devil to be a massive letdown after people hyped it up to be this absolute player-killer of a boss. Its pattern is super predictable. >_>

Still use the select cheat these days though because I dont really have the patience for "wait and hit the weak point after an invincibility phase" bosses lol

6 is pretty lame. I suck at Megaman and I beat that game easily. Centaur Man and Knight man were kinda cool though I guess. Scratched that fantasy itch.

3 is my personal favorite, but it is far from the best, and absolutely far from the worst.

Arguably the best is 9, and if strictly talking about the classic six that honor would go to 4.

3 took what 2 defined and improved on it giving us faster climbing speed, the slide, and Rush in place of the Item utilities. However like 2 the game is flawed. Rush Marine doesn't get many uses, and it doesn't help that Rush Jet also works in water. Spark Shock is utterly useless and ranks up there as the worst weapon of the series. The fortress stages also lack in enemies. Among other things. I'll say the game is much harder without weapons.

1 isn't bad, but like Final Fantasy 1 it's dated and more of a blueprint for the sequels to improve on.

I think I would rank 3 pretty highly for just the NES released. Rush was cool, still had solid music, sliding. Snake Man.

Airhammy posted...

3 is my personal favorite, but it is far from the best, and absolutely far from the worst.

Arguably the best is 9, and if strictly talking about the classic six that honor would go to 4.

3 took what 2 defined and improved on it giving us faster climbing speed, the slide, and Rush in place of the Item utilities. However like 2 the game is flawed. Rush Marine doesn't get many uses, and it doesn't help that Rush Jet also works in water. Spark Shock is utterly useless and ranks up there as the worst weapon of the series. The fortress stages also lack in enemies. Among other things. I'll say the game is much harder without weapons.

what about all of the doc robot stages and most of the wiley stages being dogshit

I don't have a whole lot new to add to this topic a lot of times when I beat all the robot masters. I just turn the game off. Boss re fights and all that gauntlet crap isn't all that fun. I think the Wily stages in were 1 good though.

The Doc stages aren't that bad honestly. Yes the jet section of Needle is annoying, but easy if you know how to do it. Then there's the Doc bosses themselves. Their hitboxes are horrible. Try fighting Doc Wood without his weaknesses, it's bad.

and yeah I already mentioned how the Wily stages are void of enemies. They're also quite short, as fortress stages from 1-3 tend to be. The check-points are bad too if you happen to die. Wily 2 is so short you just get sent back to the start. The fortress bosses are also too easy, and Wily is a joke.

I didn't even think the game was that hard when I played it for the first time four or five years ago. That one boss in I think Wily Stage 2 made me want to ragequit but that's the only time I ever seriously had trouble.

Mega Man's difficulty in general is exaggerated. The levels are rather short and it's all about learning enemy placements and boss attack patterns. It's just trial and error.

Except Sigma phase 1 in MMX1 and the fight with him in X3. Those two can eat my dick.

3 has a certain vibe that propels it. I admit it could have used more time in development though.

The best execution of the Mega Man formula is in 7, X, X2, and X3 imo. That's when they got every single detail right in both 'eras'. After that, they started trying to get too 'creative' and flashy with it, and the games got worse.

MM1 is the best one of the original six games.

Drill Man's stage fucking sucks

X1 is freaking great but yeah those Sigma fights make me want to swear again.

Super_Slash posted...

Except Sigma phase 1 in MMX1 and the fight with him in X3. Those two can eat my dick.

X3 was way, way harder than X1 for sure. Most of the bosses can do 1 or 2-shot damage in the early game, and the final series of bosses can get really dicey. It's trivialized by the Zero saber and Golden Armor, though.

X1 is basically flawless. You live or die based on your own skill. There's nothing cheap or unpredictable in the entire game, which is peak game design imo.

Garioshi posted...

Drill Man's stage fucking sucks

People on reddit think 4 is the best, but it was never one of my favorites. For some reason it has a slight feeling of moving through molasses compared to the others.

The early X game series really did some amazing things. Like how in X3 the weather like changed at times. I really only X1 well but I watched people play some Megaman games and I was like wow X3 seems kinda okay actually. Maybe not really exciting or as bad as X7 but I don't mind some mediocre games.

Kamil posted...

X3 seems kinda okay actually

X3 might have gone a little overboard with collectibles and alternate paths, but I think the level design was pretty solid and the boss fights were challenging. It's my favorite one to play through when I get out my SNES. There's such a cool power progression as you go through the final stages with the right conditions and get the saber and golden armor. By the end of the game you're an overpowered wrecking ball.

Megaman 1 is just like Sonic 1. It has the building blocks of a good game, but the sequels add so much to it, it is difficult to return back to it. Playing a Sonic game without the spin dash just feels off.

I should try X3 sometime. I think the largest criticism I heard about was it's kinda boring. Sure it is better than X7 and I liked the idea of a emo Megaman plus Axl was fine but that game is just a mess and the voice acting is horrendous.

Kamil posted...

I should try X3 sometime. I think the largest criticism I heard about was it's kinda boring.

I don't find it boring at all. The boss design is very good, and the levels have tons of secrets. It takes a long time to figure out all the different paths, and the replay value is pretty insane for such a short game. Mega Man X has a few examples of stage variations based on bosses you've defeated (Chill Penguin freezes Flame Mammoth's level, Storm Eagle crashes into and damages Spark Mandrill)

X3 has that same system, but with even more effects. Defeating certain bosses will make mini-bosses in other levels not appear, or it will make certain enemies less dangerous because of a disrupted supply chain. The various weapons are pretty fun to mess around with, and a decent number of them are actually useful for niche combat situations.

Some are definitely just all flash and no substance, but they're still fun to use for flash alone.

I highly recommend X3, but it's best if you don't use a guide or walkthrough, but instead try to find everything out for yourself. The magic is kind of ruined if you know what to expect.

Kamil posted...

I should try X3 sometime. I think the largest criticism I heard about was it's kinda boring

The final boss and its aftermath are infuriating as well

Wily wars and powered up are better versions....