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HylianFox
11/07/23 1:59:54 PM
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Why is that?

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GeraldDarko
11/07/23 2:04:19 PM
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I wouldn't put too much stock into that observation.

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The_Popo
11/07/23 2:05:18 PM
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Odds are that the number of good people and assholes is proportionate across all religions (or lack of religion). You have a sample size that just has more asshole Christians.

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Azn_Psycho
11/07/23 2:07:11 PM
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Not going to say that atheists are better or anything but the reason you'll find any Christ-like atheists is because you don't need religion to not be an asshole

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CountCorvinus
11/07/23 2:10:44 PM
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They're huge assholes?

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rynobot
11/07/23 2:11:27 PM
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Well atleast they don't lie about a fictional being speaking to them.

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ellis123
11/07/23 2:12:39 PM
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Atheists are more likely to be left leaning while Christians tend to be pretty far right.

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MrMojoRising
11/07/23 2:13:30 PM
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I used to think that when I was younger, but now I think everyone I meet falls in the same general camp of morality regardless of religion.

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MabusIncarnate
11/07/23 2:17:20 PM
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Liberals follow the teachings of Jesus closer than Christians, and Christians hate them.

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ai123
11/07/23 2:19:10 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Atheists are more likely to be left leaning while Christians tend to be pretty far right.
This is true.

There is some pretty interesting data around the religious denominations.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b5c36e7b.jpg

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Gamespoht
11/07/23 2:20:30 PM
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Their are some Christians who let their faith define their whole character

Those who don't follow religion don't worry about that

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Prestoff
11/07/23 2:21:06 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Atheists are more likely to be left leaning while Christians tend to be pretty far right.

I would differentiate them as Evangelicals, since there's a good amount of Christian denominations that also vote left as well.

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ellis123
11/07/23 2:22:39 PM
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Prestoff posted...
I would differentiate them as Evangelicals, since there's a good amount of Christian denominations that also vote left as well.
And those are the ones that are Christ-like, making them not relevant to the topic at hand.

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spanky1
11/07/23 2:36:23 PM
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ai123 posted...

This is true.

There is some pretty interesting data around the religious denominations.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b5c36e7b.jpg

Pretty fascinating stat for JWs! That tracks with what they're taught, supposed to be politically neutral.

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epik_fail1
11/07/23 2:45:14 PM
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As an atheist, I do not believe in Jesus. However, I do not see him as a Martyr in his stories, I see him as a victim

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royic
11/07/23 2:47:27 PM
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What year is it

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HairyQueen
11/07/23 2:51:00 PM
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GeraldDarko posted...
I wouldn't put too much stock into that observation.
There's nothing about it that's difficult to believe in the slightest.

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Delirious_Beard
11/07/23 2:51:19 PM
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reddit ass topic

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Were_Wyrm
11/07/23 2:55:16 PM
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Because they've actually read the bible!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_NG1yXT6QY

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faizan_faizan
11/07/23 2:57:09 PM
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What do you mean?

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CountCorvinus
11/07/23 3:09:24 PM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Because they've actually read the bible!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_NG1yXT6QY

Any atheist who's actually read the bible should take offense to being called "christ-like". The character is an egomaniacal, psychopathic warlord

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CountCorvinus
11/07/23 3:25:33 PM
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Go read Matthew.

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Kaldrenthebold
11/07/23 3:30:33 PM
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There's a reason the phrase "there's no hate like Christian love" exists.

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Sega9599
11/07/23 3:40:02 PM
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I dunno, what if I said the opposite? This board is mainly anti Christian so probably would get a lot of "ur Christian so ur for hate crimes, so u deserve it"

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Rexdragon125
11/07/23 3:40:08 PM
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MrMojoRising posted...
I used to think that when I was younger, but now I think everyone I meet falls in the same general camp of morality regardless of religion.
It's always funny watching Christians twist themselves into pretzels when you show them morality is a result of evolution and not religion. Helps the species as a whole. A species that helps each other and doesn't cannibalize itself for sustenance will last much longer. Plenty of animals show morality by helping each other even in lab conditions.
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spanky1
11/07/23 4:32:42 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...


Go read Matthew.

The character is fairly good compared to the rest of the Bible. Which parts specifically about him are setting you off? I mean he certainly did have a few moments where he became a drama queen of course, flipping out at the merchants in the temple and cursing a fig tree or whatever, but generally he was against a lot of old testament insanity.

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CountCorvinus
11/07/23 4:36:09 PM
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spanky1 posted...
but generally he was against a lot of old testament insanity.

You didn't get very far into Matthew did you? It's literally the first book of the New Testament. Come back after you've read through Chapter 5.

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Forty_Niners
11/07/23 4:43:24 PM
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I've found that the people who claim they are the most religious or patriotic, tend to be the worst people imaginable.

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trivialbeing
11/07/23 4:45:45 PM
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itt: people who align with MY political beliefs are more Christ like than Christians
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spanky1
11/07/23 4:47:04 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...


You didn't get very far into Matthew did you? It's literally the first book of the New Testament. Come back after you read through Chapter 5.

The sermon on the mount? Sure he makes some call backs to old testament stuff in there, but even then there's still some radical takes on it if you take the times into account, such as the bit about loving your enemies and whatnot. I mean there was a reason he was hated. He went against a lot of stuff that was taught.

I also wanna restate the word "generally". I'm not a fan of all the stuff he went on about but yes, in general he was progressive compared to the times.

Like when the pharisees came at him trying to trick him with asking what he would do if a goat fell in a ditch on the sabbath. He said to go save it and they were like ah hah, but you're not supposed to work. And then Jesus said the life of the goat was greater than the letter of the law. Or something like that. I'm summarizing here.

But yeah in a general sense he was tamer than old testament mentalities, and it's not like I'm the only one who believes that. I mean he went and ate with a prostitute when old testament mentality would say to stone her. C'mon.

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MrMojoRising
11/07/23 4:47:25 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
morality is a result of evolution and not religion.

being a bit reductive here aren't we

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pedro45
11/07/23 4:52:23 PM
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Well, there's American Christians and Christians of Christ basically. Pretty sure it was Frederick Douglas who said that.
American Christians are basically hypocrites

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Gremlynn
11/07/23 5:01:13 PM
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whenever I think about The Satanic Temple and the sort of work they do, i am reminded of Emeth from C.S. Lewis's "The Final Battle".

Which is kind of neat honestly.


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CountCorvinus
11/07/23 5:08:52 PM
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spanky1 posted...
The sermon on the mount? Sure he makes some call backs to old testament stuff in there, but even then there's still some radical takes on it if you take the times into account, such as the bit about loving your enemies and whatnot. I mean there was a reason he was hated. He went against a lot of stuff that was taught.

17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

How are you gonna interpret this any other way?

Anyway, I'm tired so I'll just leave this here. Steve Wells, author of the The Skeptic's Annotated Bible and Drunk with Blood: God's Killings in the Bible (spoilers: it's around 25 million) lists 50 reasons (with verses cited) for why you should be ashamed and not a fan of the character.

https://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/11/reasons-to-be-ashamed-and-not-fan-of.html

I'm heading to bed now, but if you respond with a comment worth replying to, I'll get back to you.

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Thewinner14
11/07/23 5:27:24 PM
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spanky1 posted...
Pretty fascinating stat for JWs! That tracks with what they're taught, supposed to be politically neutral.
I'm surprised 25% gave an answer other than neutral
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Tmaster148
11/07/23 5:50:04 PM
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Christianity teachers that no matter how many sins you commit, as long as you believe in God and ask for forgiveness, you can make it into heaven.

Just think about that.

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spanky1
11/07/23 6:02:04 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...


17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

How are you gonna interpret this any other way?

Anyway, I'm tired so I'll just leave this here. Steve Wells, author of the The Skeptic's Annotated Bible and Drunk with Blood: God's Killings in the Bible (spoilers: it's around 25 million) lists 50 reasons (with verses cited) for why you should be ashamed and not a fan of the character.

https://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/11/reasons-to-be-ashamed-and-not-fan-of.html

I'm heading to bed now, but if you respond with a comment worth replying to, I'll get back to you.

Well I asked you to tell me what sets you off about him and you answered, so thanks.

I'm aware of most all those things listed (and hours of debate could also be had on each individual one, for example, that mutilation bit (and some of them I agree with, like discouraging marriage! :P)). I still view him as more progressive than the hardcore old testament types, simply because of the things he did.

But I mean, yeah, of course, there's a reason I'm not a Christian. I fundamentally disagree with the morality of all this, of course. I don't think his morality is compatible with modern day progressive morality at all, I just view him through the nuanced lens of his current era, and the fundamental belief that he actually thought he was the son of God and all the things that come with that.

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spanky1
11/07/23 6:02:54 PM
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Thewinner14 posted...

I'm surprised 25% gave an answer other than neutral

If their answers were made public they wouldn't answer in this way. But it's a private poll I'm assuming, so yeah plenty of JWs secretly have political beliefs of course.

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Gremlynn
11/07/23 6:10:16 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
Christianity teachers that no matter how many sins you commit, as long as you believe in God and ask for forgiveness, you can make it into heaven.

Just think about that.

That's one way to frame it, and definitely one i feel a lot of the religious community using their piety to mask the still growing stockpile of skeletons in their closet likes to lean on.

But I prefer to frame it as we are not inherently defined by our past mistakes, no matter what they were, so long as we have genuinely repented of them and make a real, lasting effort to change and be better.

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Billyionaire
11/07/23 6:20:54 PM
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GeraldDarko posted...
I wouldn't put too much stock into that observation.


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Tmaster148
11/07/23 7:33:02 PM
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Gremlynn posted...
That's one way to frame it, and definitely one i feel a lot of the religious community using their piety to mask the still growing stockpile of skeletons in their closet likes to lean on.

But I prefer to frame it as we are not inherently defined by our past mistakes, no matter what they were, so long as we have genuinely repented of them and make a real, lasting effort to change and be better.

It's one thing to learn from mistakes and grow to be a better person and while many people who do follow Christianity likely do try to be better people.

The fact that the religion teaches that the only thing that matters is to believe in God, then you can be as awful as a person as long as you believe in God. Which is ultimately why you can run into some truly evil Christians.


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Irony
11/07/23 7:33:18 PM
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I'm somewhat of a messiah myself

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Kim_Seong-a
11/07/23 7:52:17 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...


https://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/11/reasons-to-be-ashamed-and-not-fan-of.html

He discouraged marriage.They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage. Luke 20:35

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Tmaster148
11/07/23 8:14:23 PM
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It absolutely does. I remember having a conversation with one of my more religious friends and he was pretty clear that it does not matter what acts a person has committed in their life that keeps you from heaven. It's a matter of keeping a good relationship with God.

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bigblu89
11/07/23 8:15:01 PM
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HylianFox posted...
Why is that?

Read my sig.

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Justin2Krelian
11/07/23 8:21:59 PM
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ai123 posted...
This is true.

There is some pretty interesting data around the religious denominations.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b5c36e7b.jpg

Interesting that Methodists are that Conservative, but I have heard the branch is generally more conservative than Episcopalian, or especially the UCC I grew up with,

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Irony
11/07/23 8:38:00 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Read my sig.
Your sig is untrue

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