Current Events > Do you honestly believe a modern turn based Final Fantasy would sell?

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TotallyNotAGirl posted...

Squaresoft will never focus more on gameplay, than storyline.

which is wild because as much as I enjoy a lot of them, most of the stories in their RPGs are just drivel

Yes. Go look at Persona or the upcoming Metaphor game.

trappedunderice posted...

I tried to get into ff7r and man what a piece of dogshit that game was. Good thing it was free on ps plus

FF7 Remake has one of the best combat systems in RPG history.

You are in the extreme minority.

Git gud.

Spiritlittle posted...

FF7 Remake has one of the best combat systems in RPG history.

lol

Of course. Especially after going full action on FFXVI, giving us a revamped turn-based game in the next installment would be fantastic

7 Remake's combat is too tedious and grindy. I hope they make the battles go faster in Rebirth. If not, then turn-based is still better.

Yes, but people would still whine about it.

Pikachuchupika posted...

7 Remake's combat is too tedious and grindy. I hope they make the battles go faster in Rebirth. If not, then turn-based is still better.

To be honest, if you learn the ins and outs of the system and exploit enemy weaknesses and stuff, fights go by much faster. So I think it's fine, though they need to work out how the boss phases work. Never liked how I would set up for some big damage only for the boss to be at the cusp of transitioning to a new phase, which just wastes potential damage.

PBusted posted...

Persona 5 has 7 million, Undertale has 7 million on Steam, and Three Houses has 4 million as an exclusive. FFXVI might eventually surpass TH but probably not before it stops being an exclusive and it does not seem like the type of game to have strong legs like them.

FF16 sold 3 million copies in a week. We dont know how much it sold overall but statements from square seem to indicate it met expectations. Again 3 million copies sold during its first week almost beats out most of the titles you mentioned that have been out for years.

Pokemon is literally one of the biggest franchises in the world and is turn based

Piplup_Sniper posted...

FF16 sold 3 million copies in a week. We dont know how much it sold overall but statements from square seem to indicate it met expectations. Again 3 million copies sold during its first week almost beats out most of the titles you mentioned that have been out for years.

That's why I mentioned legs. FF15 got 5 million in a day and then took a year for another million. Xenoblade 3 sold 1.72 million in 2 months but after a year was at 1.84 million. Fire Emblem Engage had a 1.6 million launch, similar launch as Three Houses but seems to have stayed stuck around there with only dozen thousands per month while TH continued seeing hundred thousands a month for several years. Given that they haven't been talking much about FF16 and its overall presence since makes me doubt it's a game with legs.

Also they said that FF16 didn't meet their high expectations.

Looking like Dragon Quest XI sold at least 6 million, so SE can definitely do big numbers with turn based.

I've said it before in FF centric boards: Squeenix has all the tools they need already established to modernize menu based RPGs. They just need to put them together in the right way.

Take the core battle presentation of FF7R. This entails the following:

• Enemies and the player party will engage in low/zero impact "mock combat" under AI control for visual background (I.e. no standing in a line facing each other)
• Entering a menu to issue a command induces time slowdown or freeze to allow decision making and control.
• Add dynamic, showy camera angles for large attacks for elaborate visual presentation.

Add onto this an elaboration of party member actions in a way that it's not just a single "best" action in most cases. This can be accomplished by one or more of:

• Building "combo" actions based on previous ones (FFXIV).
• Building secondary in-battle resources for drawn out fights (FFXIV).
• Adding powerful long cooldown abilities gated either by a timer (Octopath max BP actions) or a regenerative resource (older FFXIV).
• Buff or debuff heavy gameplay (Octopath bosses).
• Cross-class interaction based on status effects or similar (Octopath, such as Drastic Measures).
• Timed supportive actions such as interrupts, redirections, or mitigation (FFXIV).
• Juggling or repeated stuns based on stringing actions together (FFX-2, FFXIII).

I could make other or more detailed suggestions or just say things I'd like to see (drop stagger, job systems), but I'd call those two main principles the core. For better or worse, if they want main stream appeal, I'd say the visual presentation is as important as making it play good, even if to me personally, the gameplay is more important.