Current Events > Millenials not having babies could be a drag on economy; crimp growth by 1-2%

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chrono625 posted...

Its a huge investment and money sink for no return.

I mean, that's always been true hasn't it.

Lobinde posted...

After a certain point, people should stop caring about muh economic growth.

Infinite growth with finite resources is the ideology of the cancer cell.

That point comes after we manage to get off this planet. Once humanity grows the economy enough to free us from this rock, economic growth doesn't matter anymore.

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chrono625 posted...

i completely understand why younger generations arent pumping out any kids. Its a huge investment and money sink for no return.

Why would anyone look at having children as a ROI situation?

2 busy doin my TikToks and Fortnites 2 breed. Sorry America, sucks 2 suck.

Wasn't there a survey a while back that a lot of younger men are single. Kinda hard to have kids if you aren't in a relationship to even be in that possible situation.

I agree with the general idea that childcare expenses and housing have increased in price too much over the last few years.
I don't particularly think that if those things became cheaper, the birth rates would drastically change though. It'll help sway many of those on the fence, but the type of birth rates of the past seems done with.

People were having lots of kids with one parent staying at home, and living in small 1000sf house and a single car with 4 kids or whatever. People could do shit like that today if they really wanted to, but they obviously shouldn't.

We have much higher standards of living and for most of us it's not worth significantly decreasing that lifestyle for more kids. And that's completely fine.

We only have 1 kid and we don't plan for anymore, but it's not purely a monetary or work hours issue. It's just tiring. I'm pretty sure parents these days devote a lot more parenting hours into their kids than parents of the past as well, so spreading that amount of time over more kids is even more difficult. Parents devote a lot more time into their kids than they used to.

emblem-man posted...

I mean, that's always been true hasn't it.

Nah. There's been plenty of times where children were an investment with actual returns. Our current economic situation means they are massive burdens for their parents, despite providing positive value for society as a whole. This indicates that having children should be subsidized more.

Yes, declining birth rates is a problem, one the whole developed world(and some developing countries too, hello China) has. But we have immigration to make up for it. Fuck you GOP.

Oh no, 2%! I know it isnt a good thing, but it aint the end of the world.

Our economy is resilient, itll survive.

I dont want to have a child if I cant afford to buy a house or make enough. I always told myself I dont want to be one of those parents that has kids when Im not financially ready that has to live off government programs and overall be unhappy cause they can no longer afford anything. I cant imagine the stress involved when you need daycare.

chrono625 posted...

Current economic issues make it a horrible
idea to have kids, my wife and I do well enough and its still a drain on our finances with 2 kids.

i completely understand why younger generations arent pumping out any kids. Its a huge investment and money sink for no return.

Kids arent an investment, they give you utils (satisfaction) in economic terms. I love my kids, they still absolutely love me even in their teens so I somehow did things right.

Their aunt & uncle passed from COVID so they got an inheritance which is set aside for college. That absolutely helped with our finances.

The irony is that this problem was 100% caused by corporations. Now let's watch them attempt to solve the problem by raising the cost of living even further.

The population isn't even shrinking. Even if we don't increase immigration the current levels will make up for this difference and then some,

These opinion pieces are racist and bs. They're just upset things aren't going their way.

Wheres the topic you get to have sex with the perfect girl, but she gets pregnant

TimeForAction posted...

Same principle as marriage, a house and other major life decisions. If you wait until you can afford it you never will.

That sounds like a load of crap to me.

Why does there always have to be growth? Just capitalist things.

Glob posted...

That sounds like a load of crap to me.

Eh, there's NEVER a "perfect time" to have kids. It's disruptive no matter what

DarkChozoGhost posted...

These opinion pieces are racist and bs.

This, and I cannot emphasize this enough, FUCK YOU, GOP!!!!!!

Euripides posted...

Eh, there's NEVER a "perfect time" to have kids. It's disruptive no matter what

Yeah but he also said it about marriage and buying a house, where the same logic really doesnt apply.

Euripides posted...

Eh, there's NEVER a "perfect time" to have kids. It's disruptive no matter what

Idk, I never wanted kids because I was always working 40 to 90 hour work weeks to just barely not be lower class.

Jesus Christ, 90 hour work week? How did you find time to eat, or shit for that matter?

wackyteen posted...

Declining fertility rates also mean it will be harder to bear the brunt of Social Security payments, particularly as boomers age into retirement. Baby boomers are estimated to exert "peak burden" on the US economy in 2029, which is when all boomers will be 65 or older.
"We will have a great deal of trouble figuring out how to pay the retirements. The promised retirement payments for senior citizens Medicare and Social Security are going to go in vast deficits," Buchholz added.
If the birthrate doesn't increase soon, he estimates there will eventually be two full-time workers for every retiree, down from around 20 workers per retiree in the 1930s.
"That is simply not sustainable," he said.

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Why is the average worker supposed to give a shit about rates of economic growth when the financial rewards are overwhelming going to the small percentage of people at the top while the rest of us see our financial prospects improve very little if at all?

UnsteadyOwl posted...

Why is the average worker supposed to give a shit about rates of economic growth when the financial rewards are overwhelming going to the small percentage of people at the top while the rest of us see our financial prospects improve very little if at all?

And maybe social security would be in a better place if those same individuals weren't allowed to hold onto a majority of the country's wealth.

UnsteadyOwl posted...

Why is the average worker supposed to give a shit about rates of economic growth when the financial rewards are overwhelming going to the small percentage of people at the top while the rest of us see our financial prospects improve very little if at all?

Same reason why they expect employees to care about shareholder value.

There was an article posted her or somewhere else a few weeks back about CEO's and stuff complaining that people no longer want to increase the value of their businesses and only care about their wages.

Like, no fucking shit.

I'm not having kids because of knowing what's to come thanks to human caused climate change and the clear ineptitude to address it effectively by our world leaders. 2025 is now NEXT year and none of the countries that made their promises for 2025 have been on pace to meet them.

But I also don't have a partner. Was never interested in finding one. And at 37, I think I'm just too old to be playing that game nor be having kids. Having kids is for the youths.

I am perfectly happy making a bit above average and able to live comfortably due to being single. I can buy whatever I want and it not hurt my bank.

Ever since I finished high school I thought that I'd rather not bring a child into the awful world. So I'm good. Japan has had declining birthrates for years and they are fine.

It might be hard to find someone to do your nails, but if you DO FUCKING NAILS for a living, then you can command a higher rate.

I don't see how less workers is bad for the workers at all. It makes us more valuable as a commodity.

Robot2600 posted...

It might be hard to find someone to do your nails, but if you DO FUCKING NAILS for a living, then you can command a higher rate.

I don't see how less workers is bad for the workers at all. It makes us more valuable as a commodity.

More workers mean more businesses which means bigger economy. Elon Musk talks about this all the time.

Oh no 1-2% will be lost. Won't we think of the CEOs that already make insanely way more than their underpaid workers.

-ZIO- posted...

I'm not having kids because of knowing what's to come thanks to human caused climate change and the clear ineptitude to address it effectively by our world leaders.

While more needs to be done, it is not like no one is doing anything about it. Do a little research on permaculture, and projects such as The Great Green Wall in Africa. Too bad the GOP are trying their damnest to destroy our environment in the name of short term profit.

"dragon economy" sounds about right. The dragons (capitalists) just want more people to plunder and exploit so they can furnish them with a bigger hoard of wealth.

So, I don't have much interest in a family or children knowing the kind of society they'd be born to.

If population was an issue then they would stop throwing away lives with wars and provide health care to the already living people. What they want is more cogs for the machine that they never have to think about.

To offset that, you simply increase immigration.

But we know right wingers oppose this too

Will_VIIII posted...

But we know right wingers oppose this too

Sometimes, I think their ultimate goal is to slowly die in an underground bunker surrounded by piles of gold, watching the outside world burn.

Ew babies, little snot and poop machines, no thanks

No offense but immigration is a shitty solution.

I'd have 5 kids if I could afford it but such is life

VirtuousWrath posted...

No offense but immigration is a shitty solution.

Immigration is the life blood of America. Unless you are 100% native, it is the only reason you exist.

That may not faze some child-free millennials, who are using the money that would have been spent on childcare to splurge on lavish vacations, flashy boats, and other luxuries popular among DINKs couples who live on double-income, with no kids.

And that's where I stopped reading

Kids are too expensive, and I want time and money to play video games. And they're fucking annoying.
And to add even more spite and hatred onto this, I hate my dad, and want him to have no further descendants. His family name dies with me and my brother (both of us are antisocial, very content with solitude, and he also hates the asshole).

I have no issues with contributing to birthrate decline.

Articles like these really show you the power of the Wall Street corporate sector to control messaging...

That may not faze some child-free millennials, who are using the money that would have been spent on childcare to splurge on lavish vacations, flashy boats, and other luxuries popular among DINKs couples who live on double-income, with no kids.

So glad FolkenRawr highlighted this

What about all the sectors of the economy based on luxuries or novel innovations aimed and sold to the middle class and working class? Nope... sorry vacation destinations, travel agents, sports car manufacturers, day spas and salons! - we need those millenials to breed more children to meet projected quarterly growth in 14 years!

Hmmm... sounds like they want us to "stop being selfish" so they can be more selfish.

Immigration

@Torgo Yep, all the way done with blatant 'avocado toast' mentality and rhetoric.

I'm fine with my AI family being there at the end. They'll be supportive while slyly tricking me into putting what money I have left into certain products or, if I have money, I pay $3999.99/mo to have the ad free family

FolkenRawr posted...

@Torgo Yep, all the way done with blatant 'avocado toast' mentality and rhetoric.

Get with the times man. We're way past "don't eat avocado toast" now we're at "don't eat"

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VirtuousWrath posted...

No offense but immigration is a shitty solution.

I'd have 5 kids if I could afford it but such is life

Why is immigration a shitty solution?

Tyranthraxus posted...

Get with the times man. We're way past "don't eat avocado toast" now we're at "don't eat"

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"Food? You should invest in some bootstraps and pull yourself up by using them. Do you know how many meals Jeff Bezos had to skip to get Amazon off the ground?!"

Skip breakfast? That's only one step away from 'maybe we should eat the rich'.