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cjsdowg
03/04/24 10:15:47 PM
#50:


Compsognathus posted...
Do you have any LGBTQ friends who you care about being treated as actual people? Do you know women who actually want to be something more than breeding stock? I mean you shouldn't have to actually know people to have empathy for them, but you seem to otherwise be missing the horrific impacts another Trump presidency would have.

Biden's handling of the Israel/Palestine conflict has been really, really bad. He absolutely deserves to be strongly criticized and if people want to do it by voting uncommitted in an ultimately meaningless primary, then power to them. But to say that a Trump presidency would be just as bad as a Biden one requires gigantic blinders and an indifference to many people groups.

I do have empathy for them. And I see under Biden Republicans are doing all that and more. Where are the dema to save the day. Republican states were literally in open rebellion and nothing happened. I will personally still vote for him. But come on looks whats going on.

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1337toothbrush
03/04/24 10:17:20 PM
#51:


hockeybabe89 posted...
Good thing Netanyahu isn't running for President or you may have a point. Why should innocent Americans die because Israel is committing a genocide? You're a fool if you think Israel would stop anyway. I get not wanting America to be an ally to a country that does it, but that won't actually end the genocide.

I get wanting to save the few, but you don't do it by sacrificing the many. Biden isn't the one who suffers if he loses.
I've got news for you, many are already being sacrificed as the US sends billions in dollars, weapons, military cooperation, and UN vetoes in order to facilitate this genocide. You can think that's insignificant support, okay, sure, then why don't we stop it?

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ClayGuida
03/04/24 10:17:32 PM
#52:


cjsdowg posted...
I do have empathy for them. And I see under Biden Republicans are doing all that and more. Where are the dema to save the day. Republican states were literally in open rebellion and nothing happened. I will personally still vote for him. But come on looks whats going on.
We get it, you're a trump troll. Can we move on?

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cjsdowg
03/04/24 10:21:38 PM
#53:


ClayGuida posted...
We get it, you're a trump troll. Can we move on?

I literally pointed out that Republicans are messing over people left and right and were in open rebellion. How in the ever loving fuck does that make me a troll for Trump. By pointing out bad shit Republicans did. I want you explain that on to me .

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Compsognathus
03/04/24 10:25:45 PM
#54:


cjsdowg posted...
I do have empathy for them. And I see under Biden Republicans are doing all that and more. Where are the dema to save the day. Republican states were literally in open rebellion and nothing happened. I will personally still vote for him. But come on looks whats going on.
"Republicans are managing to harm marginalized people while not in full control, so how much worse could it be if they were?" is an absolutely insane stance.

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cjsdowg
03/04/24 10:27:37 PM
#55:


Compsognathus posted...
"Republicans are managing to harm marginalized people while not in full control, so how much worse could it be if they were?" is an absolutely insane stance.

What are the Dems doing to stop the bleeding in the states that Americans control.

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SwordMaster13X
03/04/24 10:45:28 PM
#56:


cjsdowg posted...
What are the Dems doing to stop the bleeding in the states that Americans control.

dems keep trying to do the right thing but republicans are blocking things in congress or in the Supreme Court

Student loans- GOP Supreme Court blocked that bill

border control bill- GOP congress blocked that

Abortion being taken away in some states- GOP Supreme Court took away that

Any progress the Democrats are trying to do get impeded by republicans


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Sir_Will
03/04/24 10:59:49 PM
#57:


1337toothbrush posted...
How many Palestinians are you willing to sacrifice? Give me a number, there's over 30,000 dead so far. Tell me when it's time to stop.
Trumps is even more pro-Israel! Who recognized Jerusalem as the capital unlike almost every other country? Trading Biden for Trump won't help Palestinians, just hurt everybody else.

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ButteryMales
03/04/24 11:02:52 PM
#58:


SwordMaster13X posted...
dems keep trying to do the right thing but republicans are blocking things in congress or in the Supreme Court

Student loans- GOP Supreme Court blocked that bill

border control bill- GOP congress blocked that

Abortion being taken away in some states- GOP Supreme Court took away that

Any progress the Democrats are trying to do get impeded by republicans
So having Biden as president doesn't do shit. Democrats need a supermajority to get anything done.
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sfcalimari
03/04/24 11:05:08 PM
#59:


Dark_Arbron posted...
And they should not be allowed to live it down. Ever.

They will try, just like when the exact same people loudly told everyone not to vote for Hillary, then when she lost insisted that they never did that and actually it was all her fault that she lost to Trump.

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Rika_Furude
03/04/24 11:09:40 PM
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any action you perform or dont perform which contributes to republicans being voted in, make you an unethical piece of shit with no morals. Thats all there is to it. American political system literally is a case of completely 100% evil and the lesser evil. Its not any more complex than that. And yet you have people saying that the 100% evil option is preferable because the lesser evil option isnt listening to you
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ultimate_reaver
03/04/24 11:12:38 PM
#61:


Ricemills posted...
ITP: genocide of Palestinian is a little thing

not the evil apartheid state killing people, the people making symbolic votes according to their morals in primaries Biden was never going to lose anyway

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ButteryMales
03/04/24 11:13:55 PM
#62:


Rika_Furude posted...
any action you perform or dont perform which contributes to republicans being voted in, make you an unethical piece of shit with no morals. Thats all there is to it. American political system literally is a case of completely 100% evil and the lesser evil. Its not any more complex than that. And yet you have people saying that the 100% evil option is preferable because the lesser evil option isnt listening to you
You being condescending is making me want to vote for Biden less. So do you have no morals now?
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Rika_Furude
03/04/24 11:14:31 PM
#63:


ButteryMales posted...
You being condescending is making me want to vote for Biden less. So do you have no morals now?
Im not changing anyones mind ITT. Im just stating the facts
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ButteryMales
03/04/24 11:17:25 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Im not changing anyones mind ITT.
Hope for that otherwise you have no morals by your own words.
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Sir_Will
03/04/24 11:17:49 PM
#65:


ButteryMales posted...
You being condescending is making me want to vote for Biden less. So do you have no morals now?
Not how that works. That's a you action, not on him.

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Rika_Furude
03/04/24 11:18:47 PM
#66:


ButteryMales posted...
Hope for that otherwise you have no morals by your own words.
nah
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ButteryMales
03/04/24 11:23:45 PM
#67:


Sir_Will posted...
Not how that works. That's a you action, not on him.
Is that post an action someone performed?
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03/05/24 12:01:23 AM
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mybbqrules
03/05/24 12:09:57 AM
#69:


Rika_Furude posted...
any action you perform or dont perform which contributes to republicans being voted in, make you an unethical piece of shit with no morals. Thats all there is to it. American political system literally is a case of completely 100% evil and the lesser evil. Its not any more complex than that. And yet you have people saying that the 100% evil option is preferable because the lesser evil option isnt listening to you
It's not even that.

It's actually

"And yet you have people saying that the '100% evil' option is preferable because the lesser evil option isn't listening to you as much as you think they should be."

Biden's term has been much more progressive than anyone originally thought, which shows he's clearly open to discussion.

Lol, lmao, and lmfao if you think Trump would give the same consideration.

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mybbqrules
03/05/24 12:11:33 AM
#70:


ButteryMales posted...
Hope for that otherwise you have no morals by your own words.
Point blank: who do you think is more likely to bend on Palestine? Trump or Biden?

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ButteryMales
03/05/24 12:13:55 AM
#71:


mybbqrules posted...
Point blank: who do you think is more likely to bend on Palestine? Trump or Biden?
Biden, that's why no one is saying vote uncommitted in the Republican primary.
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BlueKat
03/05/24 12:15:22 AM
#72:


mybbqrules posted...
Point blank: who do you think is more likely to bend on Palestine? Trump or Biden?
You think anyone will still be alive in Palestine next year?

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Dark_Arbron
03/05/24 12:16:43 AM
#73:


ButteryMales posted...
You being condescending is making me want to vote for Biden less. So do you have no morals now?

You now wanting to vote for Biden less out of spite is no different to my uncle voting against same sex marriage because the left are bullies.

You have no platform to criticize someone elses morals.

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ButteryMales
03/05/24 12:20:57 AM
#74:


Dark_Arbron posted...
You now wanting to vote for Biden less out of spite is no different to my uncle voting against same sex marriage because the left are bullies.

You have no platform to criticize someone elses morals.
Same sex marriage hurts no one and genocide is the mass murder of men, women, and children.

Your comparison is plain ridiculous.
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mybbqrules
03/05/24 12:22:44 AM
#75:


ButteryMales posted...
Biden
Then there's your answer.

And the reason why people are getting testy is because there's "2+2=4" right in your face, and all the tankies are acting like trumpers and going "but maybe it's 5."

If you want the situation in Palestine to improve, you vote Biden in the general, period.

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ButteryMales
03/05/24 12:28:13 AM
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mybbqrules posted...
Then there's your answer.

And the reason why people are getting testy is because there's "2+2=4" right in your face, and all the tankies are acting like trumpers and going "but maybe it's 5."

If you want the situation in Palestine to improve, you vote Biden in the general, period.
I wish Biden was just 2+2.

What is actually happening is Biden thinking

Genocide + Zionism > or < Young + Muslims
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Anteaterking
03/05/24 12:35:21 AM
#77:


hockeybabe89 posted...
How many LGBTQ people are you comfortable sacrificing to teach the Dems a lesson when they run for office in 30 years once the Christofascist regime dies out? Give me a number.

Respectfully, as long as Dems aren't doing anything to prevent the next Republican from just straight up genociding trans people, this is just an easy way for them to excuse Dems caving to Republicans.

I personally think that if "voting uncommited" in a primary makes Biden reconsider his position (which is not inherently one supported by like...what's most electable or anything) it's a net gain. At some level, if Biden is unwilling to drop an unpopular position even if it would make him lose...that's on him more than it's on random voters who feel like they are enabling the genocide of their own people.

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Dark_Arbron
03/05/24 12:45:48 AM
#78:


Anteaterking posted...
I personally think that if "voting uncommited" in a primary makes Biden reconsider his position (which is not inherently one supported by like...what's most electable or anything) it's a net gain.

I truly hope this happens, but Im more than a little worried it wont and instead all that will happen is he loses much needed support to beat Trump. Hopefully Im wrong.

The best way this ends is Biden pressures Israel to stop, then goes on to win in November. But things dont often end the best way.

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Ricemills
03/05/24 12:47:23 AM
#79:


Anteaterking posted...
personally think that if "voting uncommited" in a primary makes Biden reconsider his position (which is not inherently one supported by like...what's most electable or anything) it's a net gain.

That's exactly the goal.
By voting uncommitted, it will show Biden the potential lost vote at the general election.

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ButteryMales
03/05/24 12:50:27 AM
#80:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Im more than a little worried it wont
Why? mybbqrules says it's guaranteed like 2+2=4
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Garioshi
03/05/24 1:05:08 AM
#81:


hockeybabe89 posted...
And no one has a will to live because he's doing that? We're gonna voluntarily choose to blow our fucking brains out and blame it on Biden sucking? Your choices in 2024 are vote for Biden or die. There is no third option.
Maybe Biden should try to do something to make sure he wins this do-or-die election instead of actively doing things that, on top of being moral atrocities, are causing him to lose this do-or-die election

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Garioshi
03/05/24 1:11:09 AM
#83:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
I bet you're not a minority and have no risk of being killed or deported by Trump and his cult. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit.
I bet you're not Palestinian and have no risk of arms that Biden explicitly bypassed Congress to give to Israel being used to murder half of your family. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit. This is something Biden is choosing to do and he can stop at any time. He knows what it's doing to his electoral chances and he is continuing to do it. This is on him.

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ButteryMales
03/05/24 1:11:49 AM
#84:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
I bet you're not a minority and have no risk of being killed or deported by Trump and his cult. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit.
Not Garioshi, I agree with what Garioshi said. Half Jewish and Mexican.
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RndmNmber1
03/05/24 1:12:02 AM
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I don't understand why whenever a suggestion that Biden should stop supporting Israel in their genocide, some people are vehemently against it.

It's like they want the genocide to continue.

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Holy_Cloud105
03/05/24 1:14:04 AM
#86:


Garioshi posted...
I bet you're not Palestinian and have no risk of arms that Biden explicitly bypassed Congress to give to Israel being used to murder half of your family. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit. This is something Biden is choosing to do and he can stop at any time. He knows what it's doing to his electoral chances and he is continuing to do it. This is on him.
Yeah, except I am Muslim and Trump will kill them AND me. One option is clearly better than the other.

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RndmNmber1
03/05/24 1:20:52 AM
#87:


I'm a Muslim and fuck Trump, but Biden also responsible for the genocide that is happening.
Pretending that he's innocent in this is a delusion.

All we ask is for Biden to took responsibility and strive for better situation, but people are allowing him to fund the genocide.

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ButteryMales
03/05/24 1:21:12 AM
#88:


Biden is also a rich white guy that doesn't seem to care much about ending genocide.
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Ricemills
03/05/24 1:25:54 AM
#89:


How about this scenario:

> Biden denounce Israel's actions, sending help to victims and mediate the war
> The uncommitted are satisfied, and theb vote for Biden
> Everyone wins, except Trumpers and pro genocide trash

But noooo, you guys reject any hope for progress.

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Deutschenlied
03/05/24 1:26:30 AM
#90:


ButteryMales posted...
Biden is also a rich white guy that doesn't seem to care much about ending genocide.
Well I guess we can all doom ourselves to endless suffering to really stiff it to him then! That will surely help Palestine AND teach Biden a lesson!

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Deutschenlied
03/05/24 1:27:18 AM
#91:


Ricemills posted...
How about this scenario:

> Biden denounce Israel's actions, sending help to victims and mediate the war
> The uncommitted are satisfied, and theb vote for Biden
> Everyone wins, except Trumpers and pro genocide trash

But noooo, you guys reject any hope for progress.
And if Biden does none of that, we will still be morally obligated to vote for him.

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Dark_Arbron
03/05/24 1:27:31 AM
#92:


Ricemills posted...
How about this scenario:

> Biden denounce Israel's actions, sending help to victims and mediate the war
> The uncommitted are satisfied, and theb vote for Biden
> Everyone wins, except Trumpers and pro genocide trash

But noooo, you guys reject any hope for progress.

As I said, thats the best case scenario. I just hope it plays out that way. Reminder that Im not a factor in this; just an observer.

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Ricemills
03/05/24 1:29:12 AM
#93:


Deutschenlied posted...
And if Biden does none of that, we will still be morally obligated to vote for him.

Lmao

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Dark_Arbron
03/05/24 1:30:26 AM
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I think its better to frame that as voting against Trump.

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Holy_Cloud105
03/05/24 1:33:00 AM
#95:


RndmNmber1 posted...
I'm a Muslim and fuck Trump, but Biden also responsible for the genocide that is happening.
Pretending that he's innocent in this is a delusion.

All we ask is for Biden to took responsibility and strive for better situation, but people are allowing him to fund the genocide.
Yes, but if you choose to not vote for him and let Trump win then that will never happen. I don't understand the logic. Biden loses the election and he'll either get murdered by Trump or fuck off somewhere forever and you'll just get someone who is willing to genocide everyone except white people and will never be held accountable.

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Ricemills
03/05/24 1:33:32 AM
#96:


Dark_Arbron posted...
I think its better to frame that as voting against Trump.

Voting 3rd party is also voting against Trump, and Biden.
But we don't want that, aren't we?

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Deutschenlied
03/05/24 1:35:30 AM
#97:


Ricemills posted...
Lmao
Actual good people with actual sensible morals try to minimize damage, not flip everyone the bird because they find it unfair to the dead that others are alive. In the scenario I mention, it's a trolley problem. Do you choose the track with less people, or do you walk away and leave it up to fate because you don't care anymore?

"It's Biden's fault" isn't an excuse to give up your ability to choose, your ability to mitigate damage and save some. How can anyone not choose the lesser evil 100% of the time without hesitation? There is always a worse choice.

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Dark_Arbron
03/05/24 1:35:33 AM
#98:


Ricemills posted...
Voting 3rd party is also voting against Trump, and Biden.
But we don't want that, aren't we?

Voting third party is practically the same as not voting at all, and from what Im told its known that low turnout benefits the GOP far more than the Dems, and vice versa.

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ButteryMales
03/05/24 1:37:52 AM
#99:


Deutschenlied posted...
Well I guess we can all doom ourselves to endless suffering to really stiff it to him then! That will surely help Palestine AND teach Biden a lesson!
If Biden doesn't care then it is not stiffing Biden. I'm not withholding my vote out of spite.
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RndmNmber1
03/05/24 1:38:22 AM
#100:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Yes, but if you choose to not vote for him and let Trump win then that will never happen. I don't understand the logic. Biden loses the election and he'll either get murdered by Trump or fuck off somewhere forever and you'll just get someone who is willing to genocide everyone except white people and will never be held accountable.

So i vote for Biden and the genocide still happening.

And if Biden is really that great, he won't need our vote.
It's a simple democracy, the candidates that promise me what i want will get my vote.

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