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So hillary lost because of racism? I guess biden won because he could go toe-to-toe with trump on racism?

So hillary lost because of racism? I guess biden won because he could go toe-to-toe with trump on racism?

You asked why the election was so close. There are a lot of racists and stupid people in America. Theres also the fact Hillary was a woman and the wife of Bill Clinton. And then Comey dropping a bomb on her at the last second. I dont like her, but to pretend she had nothing against her before even getting into the politics of it is crazy.

And no, obviously Biden didnt win because hes racist.

So if hillary had so many things going against her, why were democrats so insistent on making her the nominee?

If Bernie can't win a competitive primary that doesn't speak very much of his ability to win a general election

The democratic party is not ideologically close to Bernie

The electoral college is bad but the primary system is good somehow.

Because nobody votes for Bernie when it matters?

I see. What a shame that the democratic party and their big media buddies pushed hillary so hard so that she could be handed the trophy at the democratic party popularity contest. I guess democrats were more interested in having hillary represent the party than to win the actual election. Sucks that we all have to suffer for this.

Then running in their primary was a real dumbass move.

Consider the primary a tryout for the electoral college.

The primary determines which candidate the party likes the most.

bernie would have won in 2020. honestly most candidates would have. trump's loss was entirely his own doing, he ran a horrible campaign and was hamstrung at every turn as he failed to manage covid

Consider the primary a tryout for the electoral college.

Yeah man sorry Bernie literally never got the votes from the people to become the nominee.

Unless you wanted to give Bernie the trophy forreasons that arent how many votes he got?

You literally sound like the College Humor Bernie video

Well then how did Hillary lose if the primary is a good system for winning the electoral college?

Do you think elites having too much power is bad? If so, then why do you think elites controlling elections by forcing candidates through one of two dominant party processes is a good thing?

He gained almost 10m more votes in 2020 that he didn't have in 2016. In spite of how horrible his presidency was and in particular his handling of COVID, there is a very stupid thing about this country that helps him fail upwards.

Not saying Biden's the only person who could have beaten him, however it's no guarantee anybody could have.

How else do you expect someone to become president without having to go through one of two party filtering processes?

The primary determines which candidate the party likes the most.

Im sorry you dont like that we decide things by voting in this country.

You sound like a putin shill who is defending the election process of russia. An election process dominated by money is not as democratic as you think.

You sound like a putin shill who is defending the election process of russia. An election process dominated by money is not as democratic as you think.

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Well then how did Hillary lose if the primary is a good system for winning the electoral college?

Dawg youre performing an olympic gymnastics routine to try and say how Bernie actually would have won.

He didnt even have the votes to win his own fucking partys primary

I'm asking a question. Just answer the simple question if you're a genius dawg.

Well then how did Hillary lose if the primary is a good system for winning the electoral college?

Nobody said winning a primary means you automatically win the fucking general election please use some of your brain.

The other side also has primaries, if youre unaware. If Bernie couldnt even win his own partys primary why would he do better in the general?

He believes the other party that already labels Democrats to be a bunch of evil socialist America hating commies, will vote for Bernie, a self proclaimed democratic socialist.

Mix that with Bernie math and you get a recipe similar to MAGAteers who think Trump won the 2020 elections.

what the actual fuck

You're so Bernie brained that pointing out the FACT he didnt get enough votes means im a Russian shill??

do better man this is just sad

Nobody said winning a primary means you automatically win the fucking general election please use some of your brain.

The other side also has primaries, if youre unaware. If Bernie couldnt even win his own partys primary why would he do better in the general?

God you're hopelessly failing to grasp the simplest of points. Hopefully this is simple enough for you to understand:

An election process dominated by elite interests and structured to favor candidates that cater to those interests is not an even battleground. It would be like saying "you're just mad at the FACT that putin got the most votes!" It's not as simple as that when votes are influenced by the system. In our case, it's the gigantic media and party machines which drive votes in particular directions.

It's not a matter of "here's how Bernie can still win" because Bernie was never going to win in such a system. A progressive candidate cannot win in such a system because their policies do not favor the rich and so the party and their friends in the media will blast propaganda and otherwise tilt chances in favor of other candidates. It's a carnival game that you're so gleefully defending.

because Bernie was never going to win in such a system

Youre telling me im failing to grasp simple points after comparing the democratic primaries to fucking Russian elections.

Youre such a damn joke

the original argument that started this mess was if the DNC backed Bernie, he could've beaten Trump

I never said they did. People have been hypocritically saying that Hillary beating Bernie in a primary means he would definitely lose to Trump. If it doesn't guarantee a win against a piece of shit like Trump then it doesn't guarantee a win or lose for anyone.

I mentioned how Trump won a primary twice. I guess it's actually 3 times if we count 2020 when he went on to lose the general.

The primaries are not determinative of anything.

Do you not know what an analogy is? They don't have to be the exact same thing to illustrate a point.

A progressive candidate cannot win in such a system because their policies do not favor the rich

You will bend over backwards, forwards, sideways, any direction to make excuses for why Bernie didnt win.

He wasnt popular enough. He didnt get enough votes. Make any amount of excuses that we live in Russia that you want, it doesnt change the reality.

You will bend over backwards, forwards, sideways, any direction to not understand simple points being made. It's okay, you think the election system is perfect, not influenced by money, media, rich interests, or anything. Enjoy your utopia.

Youre just laughable lmao

Maybe in 2028 Bernie will magically get the votes he never had. Were all rooting for you man

It's not a matter of "here's how Bernie can still win" because Bernie was never going to win in such a system. A progressive candidate cannot win in such a system because their policies do not favor the rich and so the party and their friends in the media will blast propaganda and otherwise tilt chances in favor of other candidates. It's a carnival game that you're so gleefully defending.

When you wanna not look foolish after losing an argument just bloviate about how unfair the system is maaaaaaaan