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2024 election poll: Key voters are shifting in the Biden-Trump race

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/07/1243264831/key-voting-groups-are-shifting-in-the-race-between-biden-and-trump

People on here really act like Bidens failures and silences arent hurting his numbers because hes not Trump.
Hillary Clinton took it easy in 2016, and we saw how that turned out. Biden has gained support in some groups. However, Trump has a loyal fanbase. People who may not vote at all because of their disappointment with Biden even if they despise Trump more may be why we get the hellscape of project 2024.

That being said, anyone got tips for moving to New Zealand?

Is moving out of the country going to receive the same hate as not voting Democrat gets?

Asking for a friend, as well.

TotallyNotAGirl posted...

Is moving out of the country going to receive the same hate as not voting Democrat gets?

Asking for a friend, as well.

I wouldnt move until after the election.

Im not descended from the USAs indigenous peoples. If I need to move out of the country because life in the one I was born in sucks, Id just be doing what my European ancestors did.

MangaBroski posted...

2024 election poll: Key voters are shifting in the Biden-Trump race

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/07/1243264831/key-voting-groups-are-shifting-in-the-race-between-biden-and-trump

People on here really act like Bidens failures and silences arent hurting his numbers because hes not Trump.
Hillary Clinton took it easy in 2016, and we saw how that turned out. Biden has gained support in some groups. However, Trump has a loyal fanbase. People who may not vote at all because of their disappointment with Biden even if they despise Trump more may be why we get the hellscape of project 2024.

That being said, anyone got tips for moving to New Zealand?

Haven't you said in the past you're not voting?

It's wild to me how people might refuse to vote for Biden because of a few specific issues... even knowing that the alternative is way worse.

Vote for Biden, guys. He's the best choice for the best outcomes.

NPR must be Russian propaganda.

Still too early for these polls to be relevant, but he hasn't really been doing any favors for himself recently.

Most voters come home to their candidate come election time, so if the numbers aren't better by like a month out, then he should probably get worried.

Polling in 2024 is useless. No one answers calls from an unknown number and also not many people have landlines.

MrMojoRising posted...

Still too early for these polls to be relevant, but he hasn't really been doing any favors for himself recently.

Most voters come home to their candidate come election time, so if the numbers aren't better by like a month out, then he should probably get worried.

By then it's too late

I'm not saying he should hold off on doing anything. These polls are at the very least indicative of frustration, so he should be working to show how hard he'll fight to materially improve those people's conditions as soon as he can. What I'm saying is that the polls themselves don't really show that people will actually vote that way because the closer they get to election, they tend to change their minds and come home. I do agree that candidates shouldn't just wait for that to happen, though.

Inb4 500 posts

bluezero posted...

Haven't you said in the past you're not voting?

No, you must be thinking of someone else. Ive voted in every presidential election since Ive been able to vote. Im not even overtly against Biden because I honestly wouldnt expect better from any democrat whod have gotten president considering the party and the GOP when it comes to getting anything done. I do think the entire Democratic Party isnt mobilized or organized enough because red states are stripping away freedoms, liberties, and human decencies and few blue states are encoding any protections.
And even as much as I am disappointed by the the current Democratic Party, the GOP has swung too dangerously right with anti-human stances becoming the main talking point.

I am a fatalist who worries about the future. Im upset by ineffective policies and federal silence; however, I know that the alternative to Biden is far more bleak. The hellscape of Trumps first presidency would be a sequel that damns anyone who isnt one of Trumps cronies or kingmakers who are carving a way towards fascism.
But, I know other people are holding some values too dearly. I think those people are willing to sacrifice others over ideals that no current electable politician would achieve or implement.

Im just not stupid enough to stick around in the aftermath if I can avoid it,

You have the right to not vote Biden in 2024.

Just don't complain if you suddenly find yourself lacking the right to vote in 2028, 2032, 2036, etc if you let a man who promised they'd become a dictator win.

MrMojoRising posted...

Still too early for these polls to be relevant, but he hasn't really been doing any favors for himself recently.

Most voters come home to their candidate come election time, so if the numbers aren't better by like a month out, then he should probably get worried.

If the margin narrows and Trump wins, you should rightfully wear a surprised Pikachu face. Dont forget, numerous red states have implemented laws to make it harder for targeted populations of people whod be more likely to vote democrat to go out and vote.
Takuya_Lee posted...

Polling in 2024 is useless. No one answers calls from an unknown number and also not many people have landlines.

Got any studies to evidence that?

Takuya_Lee posted...

Polling in 2024 is useless. No one answers calls from an unknown number and also not many people have landlines.

Wait, they still do polling by phone in America? Here in Britain it's all online now.

The polling thing is baffling. I understand a bunch of polls are assembly line slop but plenty of firms have had pretty solid records over the last few cycles and we've had polling accurate as recently as the 2023 state races. Even in 2022 a big part of why polls were wrong on the whole was because aggregates used junk like Trafalgar. Good polls still existed.

What's even the bit lol, why literally deny reality on this? Biden is slightly favored but pretending he's the solid favorite is just utterly delusional right now. At least in 2016 Clinton did at least poll consistently well and they had come off of the '12 cycle being such a blowout, what's even the excuse here after Dems limped across the finish line in 2020

What funding a genocide does to a mfer

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Wait, they still do polling by phone in America? Here in Britain it's all online now.

I get unsolicited phone call (Not to mention fucking texts) all the time.

...Which is one of the reasons I no longer answer my phone from an unknown number.

7 months and counting

refmon posted...

What funding a genocide does to a mfer

I understand think Biden needed to do better, but I dont think any candidate from either side wouldve gotten out of supporting Israel based on the USAs history. Even those who dont support Israels actions wouldve likely been overridden by congress.

polls don't vote.

they've also been useless the last 3-4 years

But the survey found that plenty of people about 40% --said they are at least open to changing their minds.

No they fucking aren't lmao

Never once has myself or anyone I know been polled for a election.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Never once has myself or anyone I know been polled for a election.

Are you 85 or older

The last time I ever got a phone call about polling was when I had a landline but that was like 10 years ago

Only 'some'? Should be more. Way more.

We'll see this Autumn, though.

Takuya_Lee posted...

Polling in 2024 is useless. No one answers calls from an unknown number and also not many people have landlines.

Yeah this. The most reliable polls would be through voluntary clients and even then that's only people that are both political and okay with being messaged by services like that.

SauI_Goodman posted...

Are you 85 or older

No but it just makes me wonder if they only poll certain demographics. I've had land line phones before too actually still have one just never let the phone charge cause nobody calls it but bs scammers. Some bs where we had to have phone or cable to go along with the internet and I don't watch tv

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Nothing to see here, people.

mybbqrules posted...

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Nothing to see here, people.

1.5 year old account with numerous active posts. Yes, I must be suspicious and its not that youre hiding your head in the sand over something youd rather not hear or address or contemplate the possible implications of.
Sufferedphoenix posted...

No but it just makes me wonder if they only poll certain demographics. I've had land line phones before too actually still have one just never let the phone charge cause nobody calls it but bs scammers. Some bs where we had to have phone or cable to go along with the internet and I don't watch tv

The poll could have been pushed to broader in clarification. I do have to ask why white men had both college-executed and those without college education while white women only had college education. Additionally, while the article mentions shifts in black and Latin American voters, the poll lumps them both under non-white and didnt break down voters of color by gender or level of education.