Current Events > Does Biden bear any responsibility for people not wanting to vote for him?

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cjsdowg posted...

I didn't I literally pointed out that Biden said Israel can do what they want and he will stuff support them. There is no redline for Biden and his support. So if they did it fast or slow Biden would not care.

You did ignore it by doing this. I literally answered your question that Trump is in fact worse and you ignored it. Like what the hell? Just stop pretending already you care about Palestine or Muslim people. Because you don't.

nekrodev posted...

This entire topic, and most of every other political topic on this board is doing that, even if maybe YOU didn't specifically say it. That is very much the rhetoric of the Dems and many Biden voters here.

Okay so you responded directly to my post to criticize things that other people were saying? How about responding to what I actually said

You also didnt address the fact that you dont vote while constantly engaging in political discussion. Try harder.

cjsdowg posted...

Abortion rights are being stripped away as we speak with Biden as President

Almost like.... if people stop voting then it allows shit hole republicans to keep winning and eventually enact their horrendous policies because no one is voting against them....

Gee, where have we heard that before?

cjsdowg posted...

That isn't my argument,

Your actions prove otherwise.

You literally just got finished playing ignorant to why the things you listed are under threat, and tried to blame Biden.

You even argued both parties are equally bad. When anyone attempts to pin you down on specifics, you ignore and pivot. Ultimately dancing around key problems that even if we entertain you on those specifics, still dances around other subjects such as Project 2025 and more.

cjsdowg posted...

also we lost in 2016 because the DNC and the Clintons did their best to get Trump to be Republican nom, then did not take him seriously. Again it is always everyone else fault and not the people who hold the real power.

2026 was the result of many things. People like you are one of them. Bath faith actor or genuine, elections have consequences. The consequences of those who genuinely or in bad faith promote voters to stay home also played a role in the consequences being felt today such as abortion, and more.

Kingfrost posted...

No, because nothing was ever going to get you to vote for him to begin with. If he came out tomorrow and cut off all aid for Israel, you'd say "Too late!" If he had never supported Israel, it'd be something else. Also, the Israel situation is way more complex and complicated than any of these "I can't vote for Genocide!" people are willing to admit. Biden has already called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Yes, we're still sending weapons and defense to Israel. We'd be doing that even if they weren't in the middle of razing Gaza.

Refusing to recognize how your own people will be harmed because of Trump, and how letting him win doesn't help Palestine in any way, is all on you.

Bullshit. I held my nose and voted Biden knowing his Criminal Justice record and we got no criminal justice reform and more funding to the police, and the deadliest year of police killings in 10 years. And a simple question does Biden bear any responsibility for people walking away gets met with this crap. You can't make up stuff to complain about.

cjsdowg posted...

Why is so hard for you guys to say Biden should be better on this , and not complaining about everyone else.

He SHOULD be better on this. I said so 8n my opening post.

That doesn't mean standing aside and letting something even worse take hold is in any way smart.

You want us to say Biden has fault for losing supporters? Fine; he does.

Those people are still acting like morons because their "protest" means Trump wins. That's a fact. And Trump will make it way worse. So if they ACTUALLY care about things like genocide, and aren't just trying to virtue signal like a bunch of sick fucks, they need to ensure that the far-worse option doesn't get power.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

This is such bad faith. How the fuck do you think the people taking away these rights got power? It couldnt be because Trump appointed a conservative supreme court?

Nahhhh it must be Bidens fault.

It's a mystery to everyone

LightningThief posted...

2026 was the result of many things. People like you are one of them. Bath faith actor or genuine, elections have consequences. The consequences of those who genuinely or in bad faith promote voters to stay home also played a role in the consequences being felt today such as abortion, and more.

I fucking did GOTV. What did you do to get people out to vote ?

Oh so your just delusional

Also, you're accomplishing nothing by letting Trump win. You think you're sending a message to the party? You're not. You're only sending a message to America that you're okay if Trump wins. And that enables people like Trump to rise to power in the first place. This gives power of the courts to Republicans. Which in turn allows them to push their agenda and propaganda.

cjsdowg posted...

Bullshit. I held my nose and voted Biden knowing his Criminal Justice record and we got no criminal justice reform and more funding to the police, and the deadliest year of police killings in 10 years. And a simple question does Biden bear any responsibility for people walking away gets met with this crap. You can't make up stuff to complain about.

Yeah Trump is great about stopping police violence and political violence in general. Jan 6th was such a peaceful protest. Wait, no thats all bullshit.

Biden is not great, but when your other option is trying to literally coup the government there is no other choice.

When he gets angry his red hat appears

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Okay so you responded directly to my post to criticize things that other people were saying? How about responding to what I actually said

You also didnt address the fact that you dont vote while constantly engaging in political discussion. Try harder.

I responded to you to explain why reaching out to current non-voters is an important thing that the Dems should be doing - and generally explained what the Dems and their supporters do to people who aren't in lockstep w/ them. I never accused you of saying any of that. I really don't understand why you're so defensive over this.

My not voting is a result of the issues I have w/ our system and our leaders and does not mean that I can't have opinions or share them. Also, I love how all of you keep shitting on tc for dodging questions, but you can't for a moment defend the Dems at all, just more "but Trump worse".

cjsdowg posted...

Abortion rights are being stripped away as we speak with Biden as President

When people make arguments like this you should immediately question their motivations

He's just gaslighting you into buying accelerationism

My red hat is showing , by over and over saying how bad Republicans are. How does your mind work Ry ? Like honestly how does that process work for you.Even in this topic I have spoken about how worst Republicans are in every way. Do you think any thing that is not 100% cheerful of the party line means you are a red hat ?

nekrodev posted...

I responded to you to explain why reaching out to current non-voters is an important thing that the Dems should be doing - and generally explained what the Dems and their supporters do to people who aren't in lockstep w/ them. I never accused you of saying any of that. I really don't understand why you're so defensive over this.

My not voting is a result of the issues I have w/ our system and our leaders and does not mean that I can't have opinions or share them. Also, I love how all of you keep shitting on tc for dodging questions, but you can't for a moment defend the Dems at all, just more "but Trump worse".

What policies do you think non voters care about?

nekrodev posted...

I responded to you to explain why reaching out to current non-voters is an important thing that the Dems should be doing - and generally explained what the Dems and their supporters do to people who aren't in lockstep w/ them. I never accused you of saying any of that. I really don't understand why you're so defensive over this.

My not voting is a result of the issues I have w/ our system and our leaders and does not mean that I can't have opinions or share them. Also, I love how all of you keep shitting on tc for dodging questions, but you can't for a moment defend the Dems at all, just more "but Trump worse".

I can easily defend things Biden has done. Student loan forgiveness, rescheduling marijuana, pardoning marijuana possession, supporting Ukraine, NOT TRYING TO BECOME A DICTATOR

Youre dishonest, and so is tc. Trump is objectively worse in basically every way, but that doesnt mean Biden has done nothing.

cjsdowg posted...

I didn't I literally pointed out that Biden said Israel can do what they want and he will stuff support them. There is no redline for Biden and his support. So if they did it fast or slow Biden would not care.

This is false.
If you want to claim it is not false give an article.

Biden told Israel to not retaliate to Iran and even said he would not support that.

Alan Lichtman did a protest vote against Nixon, fat good that did. A protest vote does nothing in the face of a country run on martial law, FBI loyal to the president and voting and protest rights stripped. A king Trump able to do whatever he wants unchecked. Protest vote against Biden is pretty fucking pointless.

Let the GOP bury themselves with Trumpism first then we can have a serious debate on improving the country.

So lets address this:

Are you actively going to ignore that Trump said he would let Israel "finish the job" in Palestine if he was in power? Are you also actively ignoring Trump hates Muslims and has enacted a ban in the past and will do much worse in the future? My guess is you're gonna play the "he said those things but that doesn't mean he'll do it card."

cjsdowg posted...

My red hat is showing , by over and over saying how bad Republicans are. How does your mind work Ry ? Like honestly how does that process work for you.Even in this topic I have spoken about how worst Republicans are in every way. Do you think any thing that is not 100% cheerful of the party line means you are a red hat ?

You quite literally blamed abortion rights being taken away on Biden because he didnt stop it

cjsdowg posted...

My red hat is showing , by over and over saying how bad Republicans are

You aren't doing that. When pointed out Trump Palestine policy

You ignore it

Are you actively going to ignore that Trump said he would let Israel "finish the job" in Palestine if he was in power? Are you also actively ignoring Trump hates Muslims and has enacted a ban in the past and will do much worse in the future? My guess is you're gonna play the "he said those things but that doesn't mean he'll do it card."

cjsdowg posted...

See how you two could not even address the question.

"could not"

pretty weak of you to say that, as if you are blameless for supporting trump
Why do you think you aren't responsible for your own actions?

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Alan Lichtman did a protest vote against Nixon, fat good that did. A protest vote does nothing in the face of a country run on martial law, FBI loyal to the president and voting and protest rights stripped. A king Trump able to do whatever he wants unchecked. Protest vote against Biden is pretty fucking pointless.

Alan seems to be alive.

ButteryMales posted...

Alan seems to be alive.

*Awhooosh*

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I can easily defend things Biden has done. Student loan forgiveness, rescheduling marijuana, pardoning marijuana possession, supporting Ukraine, NOT TRYING TO BECOME A DICTATOR

Youre dishonest, and so is tc. Trump is objectively worse in basically every way, but that doesnt mean Biden has done nothing.

You just listed a bunch of stuff that you support lol, that's not defending anything.

And again, just more "trump worse". Not that I expect anything more, that's in line with what I've already said.

nekrodev posted...

You just listed a bunch of stuff that you support lol, that's not defending anything.

And again, just more "trump worse". Not that I expect anything more, that's in line with what I've already said.

????????

These are good things that Biden has done. Did Trump forgive student loans? No, his side thinks you should pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

You need me to explain why student loan forgiveness and not being a dictator are good things? What the fuck dude

cjsdowg posted...

Bullshit. I held my nose and voted Biden knowing his Criminal Justice record and we got no criminal justice reform and more funding to the police, and the deadliest year of police killings in 10 years. And a simple question does Biden bear any responsibility for people walking away gets met with this crap. You can't make up stuff to complain about.

Do you think there's a button Biden can push and just fix everything, and he's just not pushing it?

Defunding the police is NOT a popular position in most places. "Defunding the police' scares the shit out of a lot of people. Most people want more funding for the police because they think the police makes them safe. Don't cite statistics on me. Don't tell me "The police don't actually make you more safe!" because it doesn't matter. They make people feel more safe, even if the opposite is true. No amount of statistics is going to change that.

What Biden HAS done for criminal justice reform (and it's going to take a lot):

-Ordered the phasing out of private prisons
-Reducing excessive sentencing especially in drug cases and limiting the application of mandatory minimums
-Created a national database of police misconduct
-Restricted no-knock warrants, and banned chokeholds unless deadly force is authorized
-Created new standards that limits the use of force
-Restricted the transfer of military equipment to police.

There's a lot Biden has done. Could he do more? Absolutely. Should he? Absolutely. But let's not act like he hasn't done anything. Progress is slow. If Trump gets back in office, we'll be undoing most (if not all) of that. Biden can't just click his fingers, and thanos away the problems.

nekrodev posted...

You just listed a bunch of stuff that you support lol, that's not defending anything.

And again, just more "trump worse". Not that I expect anything more, that's in line with what I've already said.

Thanks for your input in this topic. I am ghosting it now. I can see that for most Biden bears no reasonability for the ramifications of any of his actions. Blame the voter and that it is.

cjsdowg posted...

Thanks for your input in this topic. I am ghosting it now. I can see that for most Biden bears no reasonability for the ramifications of any of his actions. Blame the voter and that it is.

The dishonesty is absurd.

cjsdowg posted...

Thanks for your input in this topic. I am ghosting it now. I can see that for most Biden bears no reasonability for the ramifications of any of his actions. Blame the voter and that it is.

youve been told why you're wrong and why you are responsible for your voting choices. you burying your head in the sand never did and never will help your case

cjsdowg posted...

I fucking did GOTV. What did you do to get people out to vote ?

This is about as useful to say as me saying I volunteer 15 hours a week at a soup kitchen.

It's a cute fun fact that people can choose to take you at your word for, but it's proves nothing beyond pretty words. Its not actually useful in this discussion to claim you do whatever it is you claim you do.

Your actions in this topic and plenty of past topics arguing both the Democrats and Republicans are both planning to hurt abortion rights, embrace Project 2025, equally hate Muslims, LGBT and more says far more.

Criticism of how Democrats and Biden go about change isn't the problem at hand. It's the fact that you actively and repeatedly tell people not to vote in your roundabout "asking questions" why people shouldn't vote. Or how you played ignorant a few posts back trying to blame Biden for abortion rights going backwards. Or playing dumb that regardless if you like it or not, the next president of the United States will be Biden or Trump, and that all elections have consequences. With the latter (Trump) winning being objectively worse for anyone claiming to lean left. Regardless if the former (Biden) doesn't tick every box.

Which again, you have a common theme of messaging on this board of why not voting for Biden, or voting 3rd party is an understandable smart option. With you classically telling these people they hold no accountability for their own actions in elections, regardless if they are madly in love with a candidate or not. Elections just like the 2016 election, has consequences. Consequences that can spill into other presidentcies if a party doesnt have the numbers in government to reverse it obstruction free. That includes the elections many people seem to forget about like local, House, Senate, etc. Those affect legislation as well.

Voting is a marathon, not a sprint. Especially so in America with its 2 party system that like it or not only 2 candidates have any shot at winning, and one of the 2 will be worse than the other.

cjsdowg posted...

Thanks for your input in this topic. I am ghosting it now. I can see that for most Biden bears no reasonability for the ramifications of any of his actions. Blame the voter and that it is.

Nah dude we blame disingenuous peeps like you.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

????????

These are good things that Biden has done. Did Trump forgive student loans? No, his side thinks you should pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

You need me to explain why student loan forgiveness and not being a dictator are good things? What the fuck dude

I want you to defend the very valid critiques that Biden / Dems receive WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

*Awhooosh*

Nixon also resigned.

cjsdowg posted...

Thanks for your input in this topic. I am ghosting it now. I can see that for most Biden bears no reasonability for the ramifications of any of his actions. Blame the voter and that it is.

So we called it. He ignored this:

Are you actively going to ignore that Trump said he would let Israel "finish the job" in Palestine if he was in power? Are you also actively ignoring Trump hates Muslims and has enacted a ban in the past and will do much worse in the future? My guess is you're gonna play the "he said those things but that doesn't mean he'll do it card."

I guess he was undercover afterall.

nekrodev posted...

I want you to defend against the very valid critiques that Biden / Dems receive WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

Biden should stop funding Israel. What other VALID CRITIQUES do you have that i need to defend against

I literally only mentioned trump in that post because of people like you who think biden hasnt done anything good

biden sucks ass

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Biden should stop funding Israel.

Thank you, that will do.

nekrodev posted...

Thank you, that will do.

Nearly every CEman has said this. And yet dishonest posters claim no one criticizes or can criticize Biden.

It is a grift.

nekrodev posted...

Thank you, that will do.

Lmao nobody here thinks that he shouldnt stop finding israel

Again so dishonest

WingsOfGood posted...

Nearly every CEman has said this. And yet dishonest posters claim no one criticizes or can criticize Biden.

It is a grift.

I mean, it took 10 pages for us to get here.

cjsdowg posted...

Thanks for your input in this topic. I am ghosting it now. I can see that for most Biden bears no reasonability for the ramifications of any of his actions. Blame the voter and that it is.

Its so easy to criticize Biden and dems without outright lying and gaslighting about their roles with respect to lgbt and abortion rights.

nekrodev posted...

I mean, it took 10 pages for us to get here.

We were here 100 of these troll topics ago

cjsdowg posted...

Thanks for your input in this topic. I am ghosting it now. I can see that for most Biden bears no reasonability for the ramifications of any of his actions. Blame the voter and that it is.

Real fuckin' "taking my ball and running home" energy.

nekrodev posted...

I mean, it took 10 pages for us to get here.

No it didn't

Flaming_Fire619 posted...

I don't "want" to vote for Joe Biden. I think he's too old, I think that he could do better with balancing the Israel stuff even though geopolitics and the Middle East is a massive quagmire of threads that is far more complicated than anyone that keeps on repeating "just cut funds to Israel" keeps repeating, and I also am not a huge fan of his VP pick.

But given the alternative, and the fact that it's a 2 person race, I'm going to vote for the better of two candidates and push for the primary to be better in 2028.

Post #8

Yet nekro claims it took 10 pages

Why dishonest????

Do you think we can't remember or lookup posts?????

WingsOfGood posted...

Post #8

Yet Neko claims it took 10 pages

Why dishonest????

Do you think we can't remember or lookup posts?????

I don't recall having any discussion w/ Flaming_Fire619. I was asking for one of the other people who kept bringing up Trump to defend the issue w/o bringing up Trump, much in the same way tc had been asking them this - and that took 10 pages.

I'm aware that not EVERYONE here hold the same opinion, good for Flaming_Fire619 for not just saying trump worse like most of the rest.

There's no reason to not vote for him. He's better than Trump and everything else is irrelevant.

I hate Biden and don't support him at all, but I am forced to vote for him.

ButteryMales posted...

Nixon also resigned.

*Double whooosh!*