Current Events > Did you know that more people are dying from drugs than guns and cars combined?

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

Something needs to be done about all three. Overdose deaths seem to be on the rise and only seems to be getting worse.

Ban guns and cars combined.

Looks like we need to expand Narcan training and get some harm reduction in place.

Wouldn't you agree, @Monolith1676 ?

You've spent so much time posting about drugs, surely you're familiar with the literature showing how much more effective harm reduction is compared to the punitive system.

DrizztLink posted...

Looks like we need to expand Narcan training and get some harm reduction in place.

Wouldn't you agree, @Monolith1676 ?

You've spent so much time posting about drugs, surely you're familiar with the literature showing how much more effective harm reduction is compared to the punitive system.

We can try it that way but it seems since laws have softened up on drugs the deaths started to spiral upwards.

yes

Fentanyl is potentially in ANY powder or pill type drug that you get less than legally. Thats such a vast range of drugs, and its not even limited just to that.

Not all people that die of overdoses are chronic users or addicts. It can take just one time to end your life.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Fentanyl is potentially in ANY powder or pill type drug that you get less than legally. Thats such a vast range of drugs, and its not even limited just to that.

Narcan is effective for fentanyl overdoses, it's the best option.

Monolith1676 posted...

We can try it that way but it seems since laws have softened up on drugs the deaths started to spiral upwards.

No no, bad user.

Get some actual stats or find a better gimmick, nobody cares about your anecdotal correlation.

Guns and cars tend to not have drug problems.

That statistic seems like it counts overdose from legally acquired medicinal drugs.

Trumble posted...

Ban guns and cars combined.

Trumble posted...

Ban guns and cars combined.

You know, the "combined" terminology could be used to mislead, couldn't it.

Two million people died from cars, one million from gus, but only six from cars and guns combined.

DrizztLink posted...

Narcan is effective for fentanyl overdoses, it's the best option.

No no, bad user.

Get some actual stats or find a better gimmick, nobody cares about your anecdotal correlation.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db457.htm

People started pushing for decriminalization towards the beginning of the decade and decriminalization started happening in 2021 when death rates started to climb even higher.

coyot posted...

decriminalization is needed. Addicts often are working people, who cant stop because they are holding family together.

fent is the new crack.

That doesn't work as Oregon has experienced.

That doesn't work as Oregon has experienced.

The point of the topic emerges.

These types of problems are systemic. We'll need to actually pass more worker reforms and wage/benefit adjustment combined with more affordable healthcare to see this plus a host of other related systemic issues (like rates of violence / teen pregnancies / etc) actually improve. Turns out people living and working in healthier environments fair better across the board, a shocker to GOP voters I'm sure.

Cracking down ain't happening. Look at the San Jose police department coverup, look at how often police departments get away with blatant abuse of power, consider the likelihood that more police departments are just like San Jose and the (un)likelihood that they'll also be held accountable, then weep.

ablegator posted...

The point of the topic emerges.

Im amazed he's slamming on Oregon and not California. I should take a picture, this topic is like spotting a unicorn.

Trumble posted...

Ban guns and cars combined.

they're called tanks

Monolith1676 posted...

People started pushing for decriminalization towards the beginning of the decade and decriminalization started happening in 2021 when death rates started to climb even higher.

The weirdest part is I never said anything about decriminalization.

DrizztLink posted...

The weirdest part is I never said anything about decriminalization.

I said when people started going soft on drug crimes deaths went upwards and you asked for proof. So when going soft on drugs and decriminalization hit their stride I provided you proof.

Monolith1676 posted...

I said when people started going soft on drug crimes deaths went upwards and you asked for proof. So when going soft on drugs and decriminalization hit their stride I provided you proof.

Correlation =/= causation. It isn't the fault of the decriminalization movement that the mostly deadly drug to ever exist started getting pumped out en masse around the same time drug laws were loosened. Drug deaths from everything EXCEPT fent are way down.

That said, decriminalize everything except fent and death penalty for anyone selling fent. I've known two people who fucking died because they were taking what they thought was oxycontin and turned out to be fent. The opioid crisis was bad enough before some asshole decided to introduce Super Heroin in pill form

fire_bolt posted...

That said, decriminalize everything except fent and death penalty for anyone selling fent.

You can decriminalize possession for personal use while still banning supply, and in the case of hard drugs like fentanyl I'd say that's the way to go. (Softer shit like weed should just be straight up legalized.)

Trumble posted...

You can decriminalize possession for personal use while still banning supply, and in the case of hard drugs like fentanyl I'd say that's the way to go. (Softer shit like weed should just be straight up legalized.)

Oregon tried and are now having to backpedal on that decision.

Final bump

If only every junky had a fent buddy to watch over them

Monolith1676 posted...

Oregon tried and are now having to backpedal on that decision.

Wildly reductive to the point it's hard not to assume you're being intentionally misleading.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

one million from gus

gus is a jerk

Doesn't surprise me. I'm in and out of those junkie colonies all the time in 911. Once you try fentanyl, your life is basically over and all you exist for is your next high

Monolith1676 posted...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

Something needs to be done about all three.

Something needs to be done about guns and cars because those are external deaths. Drug deaths are self-correcting.

If fent tainted new drugs are the new norm. The only real option is change some laws. Seeing as how no one is going to actually ever bother to stop the fent flooding the streets.

It's pretty insane when a whole system of drug use basically doesn't exist anymore because of fent. 10-15 years ago, people could opt away from needles and hard street drugs that may be tainted or have potency issues. Just by going for legit pills illegally and 99% of the time it was what they paid for.

That is simply not a thing anymore. Eventually, you're going to get fent. You going to die this time?

It's not really fair to say that legalization doesn't work when legalization isn't legalization.

Oregon tried decriminalization, didn't work. Another failed democratic policy.

For decriminalization to work effectively, there needs to be an actual effort for it to work effectively nation wide. We need to have the proper socially safety nets in place along with the decriminalization.

Otherwise, we've seen what happens. The flood of harder drugs, and drugs more commonly spiked with harder things like fentanyl that are now flooding in due to the severe over correction from other laws federally, or in other states that have made it increasingly hard to get anything from the medication you have been previously prescribed to some brand of far less dangerous opiate you were previously addicted to, funnels everyone who is addicted to opiates towards the most extreme option, fentanyl.

And this funneling of almost anyone who either is prescribed opiates, addicted to opiates, or who will get addicted to opiates to fentanyl is what is killing so many innocent people. Decriminalization needs to actually be done right to be effective.

If someone who is addicted to heroin, oxycodone, morphine, etc could go get these things discreetly, legally, and with the complete assurance that they are not cut with anything, drug overdoses would be halved, if not quartered overnight.

We've seen first-hand hand in this country that tightening drug laws and regulations has the complete opposite effect of what we want it to. This is how the fentanyl crisis was created in the first place.

chitown82 posted...

Oregon tried decriminalization, didn't work. Another failed democratic policy.

It didn't work because Oregon didn't set up sufficient safety nets and rehabilitation programs for users. Decriminalization can work, but like any other initiative it needs to be designed to work with the proper support programs.

chitown82 posted...

Oregon tried decriminalization, didn't work. Another failed democratic policy.

Decriminalization needs to work.

Anyone who disagrees with decriminalization needs to shut the fuck up and reconsider having opinions.

All you need for decriminalisation to work is to ban recreational drugs from public use. Its that simple.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

All you need for decriminalisation to work is to ban recreational drugs from public use. Its that simple.

Is this sarcasm?

Monolith1676 posted...

We can try it that way but it seems since laws have softened up on drugs the deaths started to spiral upwards.

This is just.wrong. On every front.

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I've said it 100 times I will say it again. Drugs are all too easy to get in prison. Don't even need money if you can offer other means for paying.

And likely they will end up in or associated with a Gang. So ya just made em worse

sfcalimari posted...

gus is a jerk

GRE

Gus Resistance Education

FolkenRawr posted...

Is this sarcasm?

No. You let junkies use drugs in private residences and select establishments (bars, injection sites) and not in public, decriminalise it completely otherwise.

I wouldnt go to bar that has junkies using in it >_> I aint risking some idiot leaving a Hep C needle somewhere carelessly

Monolith1676 posted...

People started pushing for decriminalization towards the beginning of the decade and decriminalization started happening in 2021 when death rates started to climb even higher.

You know what else happened in 2001? Exactly, Third Rock From the Sun went off the air. If we want to reduce overdoses, there is only one logical solution, put John Lithgow back on TV!

@monolith1676

How do you feel about the Sackler family?

Yeah but how often does someone walk into a crowded place like a shopping mall and cause two dozen innocent people to OD?

IceCreamOnStero posted...

No. You let junkies use drugs in private residences and select establishments (bars, injection sites) and not in public, decriminalise it completely otherwise.

I see. I misinterpreted what you were saying, in conjunction with your previous comment about drug deaths being self correcting.

ooger posted...

@monolith1676

How do you feel about the Sackler family?

Not good people.

I agree.

itachi15243 posted...

For decriminalization to work effectively, there needs to be an actual effort for it to work effectively nation wide. We need to have the proper socially safety nets in place along with the decriminalization.

Otherwise, we've seen what happens. The flood of harder drugs, and drugs more commonly spiked with harder things like fentanyl that are now flooding in due to the severe over correction from other laws federally, or in other states that have made it increasingly hard to get anything from the medication you have been previously prescribed to some brand of far less dangerous opiate you were previously addicted to, funnels everyone who is addicted to opiates towards the most extreme option, fentanyl.

And this funneling of almost anyone who either is prescribed opiates, addicted to opiates, or who will get addicted to opiates to fentanyl is what is killing so many innocent people. Decriminalization needs to actually be done right to be effective.

If someone who is addicted to heroin, oxycodone, morphine, etc could go get these things discreetly, legally, and with the complete assurance that they are not cut with anything, drug overdoses would be halved, if not quartered overnight.

We've seen first-hand hand in this country that tightening drug laws and regulations has the complete opposite effect of what we want it to. This is how the fentanyl crisis was created in the first place.

Is there more than one Itachi on this board?

DKBananaSlamma posted...

Doesn't surprise me. I'm in and out of those junkie colonies all the time in 911. Once you try fentanyl, your life is basically over and all you exist for is your next high

this. i hate fentanyl. i hate junkies. they all suck.

especially that rhonda chick who decided to give drugs. she took family away from me.

DKBananaSlamma posted...

I wouldnt go to bar that has junkies using in it >_> I aint risking some idiot leaving a Hep C needle somewhere carelessly

I think the idea is more like having specific "drug bars", seperate from regular alcohol bars, where they can go if they want to use drugs in a social setting. It's very likely these would further be divided by type of drug.