Current Events > Jerry Seinfeld Says TV Comedy Is Being Killed By the 'Extreme Left'

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Baron_Ox posted...

I feel I can agree with this.

the Chappelle Show had higher highs, but Key & Peele was more consistent, IMO.

Tbh only shit I remember from Chappelle show is "fuck yo couch" and "cocaine is a helluva drug"

I remember lots of shit from Key & Peele

epik_fail1 posted...

Making gay jokes can be funny when it's not homophobic. Joking about the ridiculous amount of body categorisation of gay men bodies is very different than making fun of someone because they are gay

Louis CK had some pretty good ones in his latest special.

https://youtu.be/rk-yb09V52A?si=TVUfDh_jIFwy4cOC

Doe posted...

Nothing really affects comedy. People always need it. They need it so badly and they dont get it, Seinfeld said. It used to be, you would go home at the end of the day, most people would go, Oh, Cheers is on. Oh, MASH is on. Oh, Mary Tyler Moore is on. All in the Family is on. You just expected, Therell be some funny stuff we can watch on TV tonight. Well, guess whatwhere is it? This is the result of the extreme left and P.C. crap, and people worrying so much about offending other people.

That idiot is parroting the arguments of people who wouldn't even allow those shows to be made if someone tried to make them in this day and age, especially MASH and All in the Family.

AITF had a bigoted character but he was almost always the butt of the joke and the show had a progressive message. MASH? These people would be shrieking that Klinger is a groomer and the show is trying to turn kids gay/trans.

Isnt Succession a well-received comedy?

I thought Succession was more of a drama.

Necronmon posted...

I thought Succession was more of a drama.

It is.

M.A.S.H had an episode defending homosexuals in the military, in 1974.

mercurydude posted...

AITF had a bigoted character but he was almost always the butt of the joke and the show had a progressive message

AITF was basically the proto-American Dad.

Everyone else: *continually names popular comedy shows that have come out over the years*

Right wingers: "No, Jerry Seinfeld is correct. There hasn't been good comedy since MASH and it's all the lefts fault!"

The number one rule in comedy has always been to be funny. If nobody wants to watch your shit, it's because you aren't fucking funny.

If comedians aren't finding success, it's because they can't create an original punchline to save their lives.

https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1785061082924495111

The whole "comedy is dead" has been a talking point for Conservatives for a long time. They will point to a lack of adult comedies releasing in theaters as their "proof" but all that proves is that companies would rather make cheap horror films or big blockbusters, and that comedies are more streaming only these days.

These people love "offensive comedy" but are quick to cry when they are the butt of the joke.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The number one rule in comedy has always been to be funny. If nobody wants to watch your shit, it's because you aren't fucking funny.

If comedians aren't finding success, it's because they can't create an original punchline to save their lives.

Jerry Seinfeld was never funny, tbh. Hes like the epitome of vanilla bean.

creativerealms posted...

The whole "comedy is dead" has been a talking point for Conservatives for a long time. They will point to a lack of adult comedies releasing in theaters as their "proof" but all that proves is that companies would rather make cheap horror films or big blockbusters, and that comedies are more streaming only these days.

Great point. As always, many of the problems conservatives blame on the "left" can usually be traced back to capitalism.

Studios are no longer willing to invest in mid-budget sized comedy movies due to risk. It's either big budget IP movies, or low-budget horror (as you mentioned).

That being said, there's absolutely no shortage of really good comedy shows. Abbott Elementary is a great example.

__starsnostars posted...

Seinfeld is a profoundly unfunny guy and his show relies on a laugh track.

It was taped in front of a studio audience

epik_fail1 posted...

Making gay jokes can be funny when it's not homophobic. Joking about the ridiculous amount of body categorisation of gay men bodies is very different than making fun of someone because they are gay

Right. I was just talking about when the punchline is simply "the person is gay"....which in the 90s was still a common joke in more brain dead comedies.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Right. I was just talking about when the punchline is simply "the person is gay"....which in the 90s was still a common joke in more brain dead comedies.

And is really offensive in stand-up "classics" like "Eddie Murphy Raw"

Euripides posted...

It was taped in front of a studio audience

they still did retakes for broadcast.

and had an applause now sign for the audience like every other show

Euripides posted...

It was taped in front of a studio audience

So it's a free range laugh track, what's your point?

Euripides posted...

It was taped in front of a studio audience

And they were told when to laugh and applaud, which basically makes it a laugh track. No reason to get technical.

StealThisSheen posted...

And they were told when to laugh and applaud, which basically makes it a laugh track. No reason to get technical.

This exactly. All of the audience had a light that said Laugh now or Applaud now.

Even Shrek made fun of this trope.

Jerry is literally just the old man yelling at these kids and complaining about how things were better in his day. Plenty of comedies around, just not the sit-coms Old man Jerry wants to watch. There are tons of comedies that come out every year, but they are on the various streaming platforms; that Old man Jerry doesn't know anything about.

Even when Seinfield was airing, what were the conservative comedies? Married with Children might the only thing.

LonelyStoner posted...

Louis CK had some pretty good ones in his latest special.

https://youtu.be/rk-yb09V52A?si=TVUfDh_jIFwy4cOC

I haven't heard any of his comedy is a looooong time, those jokes were pretty good.

ModernPost posted...

I haven't heard any of his comedy is a looooong time, those jokes were pretty good.

You should watch that whole special and the one he released before that. He hasnt lost his touch at all. The one I posted he brings a bible on stage and just rips into religion. Its hilarious.

It seems like shows, comedy and otherwise, can actually get away with more and push the envelop further than would've been acceptable back in the late 80s and 90s when Seinfeld was on the air, and there are definitely still plenty of fantastic comedies out there. I think the real change is that society at large is less amused by tired, outdated jokes where the punchline is homophobia or racism or whatever, and certain comedians have refused to change with the times.

Though I actually wouldn't have made that accusation about Jerry Seinfeld, I think his comedy style is stale and outdated for unrelated reasons.

LonelyStoner posted...

Louis CK had some pretty good ones in his latest special.

https://youtu.be/rk-yb09V52A?si=TVUfDh_jIFwy4cOC

Yeah but Louie is the goat what do you expect

on the subject of gay jokes that are actually funny

dumb lesbian jokes are very popular with queer woman

MICHALECOLE posted...

Yeah but Louie is the goat what do you expect

The guy is seriously unmatched, even compared to Carlin, (in my opinion). I gave Pete Davidsons piss poor standup a try and even his stab at Louis couldnt save that garbage performance. Hes like a somewhat worse Matt Rife.

Our Flag Means Death is such a funny show and a good representation of LGTB individuals. The queer characters are funny but not funny because they are queer, that part is just treated as normal.

bfslick50 posted...

Our Flag Means Death is such a funny show and a good representation of LGTB individuals. The queer characters are funny but not funny because they are queer, that part is just treated as normal.

So much better than Hazbin Hotel.

LonelyStoner posted...

The guy is seriously unmatched, even compared to Carlin, (in my opinion). I gave Pete Davidsons piss poor standup a try and even his stab at Louis couldnt save that garbage performance. Hes like a somewhat worse Matt Rife.

Carlin and Pryor are the only two that come close to Louie in my opinion, but Louie has been putting out the best specials one after another for years now

Pete Davidson is whatever. Ive seen worse, but hes not in the same league as a lot of other standups

I actually think comedies nowadays have only gotten better in the sense that there are an even wider variety of different and even newer kinds of comedy. More Comedies that's for a smaller niche audiences. Also the ones I want to watch and interest me are more easily accessible. Back in the 90's and older, all you had for comedy series is what was on TV. No internet until the late nineties and the streaming services starting with YouTube didn't come to until around the mid 2000's.

This sounds bitter old man nonsense, who doesn't understand today's entertainment industry.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Carlin and Pryor are the only two that come close to Louie in my opinion, but Louie has been putting out the best specials one after another for years now

Pete Davidson is whatever. Ive seen worse, but hes not in the same league as a lot of other standups

I feel the same. Louis CK stays current year after year and works with the most basic content. Theres not one comedian today that can match his output, aside from Bill Burr, but he hasnt made a special in a minute iirc.

Louis CK is damn funny, but it's just really hard to watch him anymore knowing what a creep he is

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Kinda proving his point when your only examples are two 30 year old shows.
although I think blaming a side is silly

Are people really complaining that much about South Park? I mean, everyone knows that offensiveness is their schtick, since they are most famous for "the greusome deaths of kids and some offensive portrayal of Jesus" in every episode.

What's the deal with over-the-hill comedians whining about cancel culture?

Let's see, Bill Maher, Tim Allen, Roseanne Barr, John Cleese, Todd Phillips... who did I miss?

Oh, yeah, dishonorable mention to Joe Rogan, Dave Chappelle, Jonathan Pie, Konstantin Kisin, and Andrew Doyle.

Dave Chappelle is by far the most annoying because he will make his special revolve around his old man political views and then claim he isn't doing that and then weird people will try to claim it was the funniest shit ever when it was just old man yells at cloud the majority of the time.

ssjevot posted...

Dave Chappelle is by far the most annoying because he will make his special revolve around his old man political views and then claim he isn't doing that and then weird people will try to claim it was the funniest shit ever when it was just old man yells at cloud the majority of the time.

speaking of what ever happened to daves biggest supporter

also congrats on ??? rank what does it say now for your karma needed for next level

AceMos posted...

speaking of what ever happened to daves biggest supporter

also congrats on ??? rank what does it say now for your karma needed for next level

I assume whoever his biggest supporter is still supports him. The dude is a NIMBY and hates trans people, so that endears him to a center demographic.

It doesn't say anything I don't think.

was talking about gobstopper he was constantly shilling for dave

Chapelle has a bunch of amazing specials, hes definitely up there as one of the best ever

MICHALECOLE posted...

Chapelle has a bunch of amazing specials, hes definitely up there as one of the best ever

what do you like about his specials what are some jokes you find funny from his recent material

AceMos posted...

what do you like about his specials what are some jokes you find funny from his recent material

I liked when he told trans people to stop punching down at black people and people cheered. That's a common reaction to funny jokes.

Chappelle is all the proof I need that cancel culture doesn't exist.

AceMos posted...

what do you like about his specials what are some jokes you find funny from his recent material

Havent seen his most recent special, but Killin em softly is one of my favorites of all time

ssjevot posted...

I liked when he told trans people to stop punching down at black people and people cheered. That's a common reaction to funny jokes.

similar thing happened to Richard Pryor in the 70s. He chewed out a group of gay activists for waiting until the civil rights movement had ended to start protesting. Pryor was outraged because he felt the gay rights movement did nothing for black people during the civil rights movement and then they said their struggles were equal...Pryor did not hate gay people (he even had a week long fling with a guy in the 70s), but he felt they were piggybacking on the civil rights movement after many activists had already been killed, harmed,etc...

invertedlegdrop posted...

similar thing happened to Richard Pryor in the 70s. He chewed out a group of gay activists for waiting until the civil rights movement had ended to start protesting. Pryor was outraged because he felt the gay rights movement did nothing for black people during the civil rights movement and then they said their struggles were equal...Pryor did not hate gay people (he even had a week long fling with a guy in the 70s), but he felt they were piggybacking on the civil rights movement after many activists had already been killed, harmed,etc...

He's wrong. There was gay activism during the civil rights movement and it was one of the main factors of getting homosexuality removed from the DSM. He just didn't hear about it. Maybe he wasn't looking. Maybe it just all got overshadowed by the battle against segregation.

Trans people and gay people can be black. They also can get killed by hate groups.

Why comedians constantly tell on themselves that they cant develop new material is beyond me.

Such ss what?