Current Events > Disney: "we're dropping the number of Marvel movies"

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im so sick of star wars, disney, and super heroes. marvel and dc, just sick of it all.

deadpool is exception.

I feel like this is a good move.

it felt like they were more interested in quantity, and took for granted how fans would flock to each movie.

as a result, they each started feeling more and more mediocre.

if they release less stuff each year, but put more care into what they release, then I hope it works out well for them.

never go full guitar hero

Still a fan, cant wait for Fantastic Four

TheHoldSteady posted...

never go full guitar hero

That's a good way to put it.

I couldn't really care less since I don't watch the majority of them. This is probably a good move for them, though.

This is a good strategy.

The big problem with many of the recent Marvel movies are these rushed scripts where they just throw a basic plot together and then just figure out the details of the story as they go along through production.

A slower, more deliberate approach is going to be much better.

This this results in an increase in quality, then that's cool, otherwise they're still just wasting their time and money.

How about some standalone movies while were at it?

Decrease to at most 3 movies per year?

2021 was the only year with more than three MCU movies so far and that was because of pandemic rescheduling.

MCU movies per year:

2008: 2
2009: 0
2010: 1
2011: 2
2012: 1
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 2
2016: 2
2017: 3
2018: 3
2019: 3
2020: 0
2021: 4
2022: 3
2023: 3
2024: 1

Like always, it depends on the superhero. Even during the height of the MCU, I didn't care about some of the films.

As it stands now, of the current roster, I really only care if the Hulk, Spider-Man, Thor (if Waititi is involved), the Guardians, or Dr. Strange are the headliners, or the Avengers at large. Deadpool as well, I guess.

They need an X-Men sized jolt to the arm if they want to continue the franchise and make us interested in new characters.

Kinda felt like the story was wrapped up after infinity war or whatever the last Avengers was.

Hornezz posted...

Decrease to at most 3 movies per year?

2021 was the only year with more than three MCU movies so far and that was because of pandemic rescheduling.

MCU movies per year:

2008: 2
2009: 0
2010: 1
2011: 2
2012: 1
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 2
2016: 2
2017: 3
2018: 3
2019: 3
2020: 0
2021: 4
2022: 3
2023: 3
2024: 1

Honestly, I feel like 1-2 movies, an 18-episode show and two animated series (of X-Men 97's quality) is the sweet spot. Properly spaced out throughout the year.

Yeah, I figured this was going to happen after Bob Iger's comments from last year.

Its not like they never had duds before but theyve really hurt the branding by having such a large ratio of them since Endgame.

I'm not necessarily against superhero movies as much as I am massive franchises being the only movies now

I haven't watched a single one other than Love and Thunder since Endgame, so I'm pretty hopelessly behind on the series.

Shouldn't have made any tv shows

Baron_Ox posted...

I feel like this is a good move.

it felt like they were more interested in quantity, and took for granted how fans would flock to each movie.

as a result, they each started feeling more and more mediocre.

if they release less stuff each year, but put more care into what they release, then I hope it works out well for them.

Yeah, and even then there was just so much shit. Like I didn't mind the Marvels movie, thought it was pretty ok, but it also felt like I was missing... SOMETHING because I hadn't kept up with any of the million tv shows and shit.

To me this just means they have no faith in their ability. Overexposure isnt really a thing if the quality is good.

HighSeraph posted...

Shouldn't have made any tv shows

I still believe TV shows are very much to blame as well.

I guess he felt the need to say they're continuing standard movie release schedule just to draw attention away from the shows, which are the real issue. Most of the shows are overall decent but they definitely flooded the market with them way too fast.

This is the right move. They've been trying to do too much too quickly and the quality suffered the last few years. The Marvels was the biggest example of people having kinda tuned out of the MCU but that was happening already. They have to more consistent with the quality to keep people watching.

I also think there should be more separation between the shows and the movies like they used to have. Like I know some people were upset that characters from the Netflix shows weren't showing up in Avengers or whatever but the advantage of that is the shows were never "homework" that you needed to watch before the next movie. They were just more Marvel content that was there if you wanted it but skippable if you didn't.

https://deadline.com/2024/05/biggest-box-office-bombs-2023-lowest-grossing-movies-1235902825/

Disney for the first time in Deadlines Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament history dominates the annual bombs section, claiming four of the five (top? bottom?) spots on our 2023 list.

Typically, the studio owns a majority of the years top 10 most profitable films thanks to Marvel movies, but not this year.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fa31917d.jpg

PiOverlord posted...

I still believe TV shows are very much to blame as well.

I imagine that's why so many people gave up after Endgame. Phase Four started with like five different TV shows all back-to-back, and it was just way too much right out of the gate.

Hornezz posted...

Decrease to at most 3 movies per year?

2021 was the only year with more than three MCU movies so far and that was because of pandemic rescheduling.

MCU movies per year:

2008: 2
2009: 0
2010: 1
2011: 2
2012: 1
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 2
2016: 2
2017: 3
2018: 3
2019: 3
2020: 0
2021: 4
2022: 3
2023: 3
2024: 1

True but we also had a gazillion shows.

It was simply too much for me.

They threw more movies and shows and other stuff all around than I was able to watch.

This was already bad before infinity war/endgame, but after that it got so much worse that I simply disconnected from the Marvel movie and don't watch them at all anymore.

To keep up with their current "phase whatever" progress and the current big story it feels like I would have to catch up a dozen of movies and who knows what else.

What was originally the big strength of the MCU became their weakness for me because they overdid it.

And that's not even touching the quality issue anyways.

PiOverlord posted...

I still believe TV shows are very much to blame as well.

Yeah..by the point we got to moon knight I was like..why should I care about this again? And thats where I stopped watching. Some of these wouldve benefitted from being their own universe, not connected to the MCU.

Hornezz posted...

Decrease to at most 3 movies per year?

2021 was the only year with more than three MCU movies so far and that was because of pandemic rescheduling.

MCU movies per year:

2008: 2
2009: 0
2010: 1
2011: 2
2012: 1
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 2
2016: 2
2017: 3
2018: 3
2019: 3
2020: 0
2021: 4
2022: 3
2023: 3
2024: 1

This. They arent decreasing movies at all, theyre basically saying were reducing shows made for Disney+. They got the subscribers they wanted, and if they keep them while reducing the content, its a huge profit gain for them.

HighSeraph posted...

Shouldn't have made any tv shows

Yeah once you started to need to do homework I stopped caring to keep up with it.

Probably a good move in general, but bummer for me. I didn't experience any superhero fatigue yet and have seen every movie MCU related so far except Iron Man movies way back when since I wasn't invested in the MCU yet and didn't care for the character.

I don't think there's been a movie yet that I flat out hated or disliked. I think the one that looked like it would interest me the least was Black Widow, but it ended up being a little better than I thought. I had no issues with the Eternals.

My two complaints with the latest Ant Man movie were how it was treated like what Janet did was so disgustingly terrible when it really wasn't...at all. I also didn't like how Kang got beat. Definitely a weak ending and made Kang seem less threatening. But I didn't hate the movie. I just about liked everything else including The Marvels.

I got so lost after Endgame lol.

It felt like every month there was new content and I fell behind and now it's too daunting to catch up.

Yeah the pandemic didn't help but I think it'd have been that confusing even without it.

So far, the only things I'm not caught up on are the last couple episodes of What If, and then all of Echo except the first episode. And that's mostly because I watch things with my partner usually, but she's been not into watching things as much lately, plus we have a TON of stuff to watch that we are falling behind on.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I imagine that's why so many people gave up after Endgame. Phase Four started with like five different TV shows all back-to-back, and it was just way too much right out of the gate.

Also the fact that they were overwhelmingly shit.

The main problem with Phase 4 was that there was barely any payoff and when we did get a payoff in Phase 5 it sucked...like really really sucked. If they can concentrate on quality over quantity to get themselves back on track, I'm all for it.

lol, dropping to 3 a year? They only went to 4 because of covid.

They dis make too many recently. I only watch the stuff that interest me and just read read up on the important details on line. At this point I dont care to watch all of it.

On the one hand, if less volume means increased focus/quality per film, then great.

On the other hand... They're talking about "more avengers" in 2026. Look, it's been 5 years since Endgame. They've MORE than spent their "we need to build back up like phase one" token, by now. And there is NOTHING to care about, anymore. Cap amd Tony were the heart of the team, and there's still no good replacement for them. Thor's fucked off to do his own thing, the Guardians have split up, and Gamora still doesn't give a shit since she was replaced, spider man deleted himself from everyone's mind, Dr strange was barely a member in the first place, and has ALSO fucked off to do his own thing, Captain Marvel is a charisma vacuum who does not give a single shit about anyone else on the team... like, there IS no "Avengers" anymore, and what they have isn't nearly cohesive enough to stand next to the original group, even in their first movie.

To say nothing about how directionless it all feels. Kang was a flop, and now They're pivoting to Galactus, it looks like. Phase 4 was a bunch of pointless, disconnected character pieces that fizzled out without a capstone movie. Half the movies ended major character arcs, dissolved groups, etc. and replaced them with nothing, so there's nothing left to be invested in. It's clear they were banking on people resonating with Captain Marvel and The Marvels so they'd be the new "heart and soul" of the group... but that didn't happen.

Now they have three (?) Movies to pull it all together and make it work? Yeah, I REALLY don't see that happening.
Series should have ended with Endgame.

Hornezz posted...

Decrease to at most 3 movies per year?

2021 was the only year with more than three MCU movies so far and that was because of pandemic rescheduling.

Ok I thought I was nuts 3 still sounds like way too many.

And honestly the TV shows being canon is annoying to a casual fan like myself. Multiple full TV series is so much more of a commitment than 1-2 movies per year.

SAlYAN posted...

On the one hand, if less volume means increased focus/quality per film, then great.

On the other hand... They're talking about "more avengers" in 2026. Look, it's been 5 years since Endgame. They've MORE than spent their "we need to build back up like phase one" token, by now. And there is NOTHING to care about, anymore. Cap amd Tony were the heart of the team, and there's still no good replacement for them. Thor's fucked off to do his own thing, the Guardians have split up, and Gamora still doesn't give a shit since she was replaced, spider man deleted himself from everyone's mind, Dr strange was barely a member in the first place, and has ALSO fucked off to do his own thing, Captain Marvel is a charisma vacuum who does not give a single shit about anyone else on the team... like, there IS no "Avengers" anymore, and what they have isn't nearly cohesive enough to stand next to the original group, even in their first movie.

To say nothing about how directionless it all feels. Kang was a flop, and now They're pivoting to Galactus, it looks like. Phase 4 was a bunch of pointless, disconnected character pieces that fizzled out without a capstone movie. Half the movies ended major character arcs, dissolved groups, etc. and replaced them with nothing, so there's nothing left to be invested in. It's clear they were banking on people resonating with Captain Marvel and The Marvels so they'd be the new "heart and soul" of the group... but that didn't happen.

Now they have three (?) Movies to pull it all together and make it work? Yeah, I REALLY don't see that happening.
Series should have ended with Endgame.

to be fair, none of the Avengers gave a shit about each other in the first Avengers movie, they developed into a team throughout it.

Could probably do something like that again. Bring all these characters together that are doing their own thing and they team up.

Didn't they plan to introduce more characters than ever? What gonna happen to them? Kill them off in big crossover like in comics?

I no longer care about the MCU after Endgame or DCEU after Snyder's JL, but the DC animated movies are still worth watching.

I'd really like for there to be cool new MCU stuff, but I was never a huge comic fan or anything, so I don't really know where they could / should go. I definitely think they ran into the same issue Blizzard did after Wrath of the Lich King w/ Endgame, they kinda wrapped up everything that anyone cared about.

Things would have been fine, IMO, if they had established a clear direction and a new threatening Avengers-level villain quickly enough. Everything leading up to Thanos is what kept people coming back for more.

They did a terrible job with Kang, imo. They absolutely need to focus more on quality than quantity. Very few of the latest marvel entries have tied in to any kind of overarching story. They set a precedent with that. Its a big ask to expect people to buy into what had largely felt like a disjointed episodic phase thus far.

BDSMKane posted...

theyre basically saying were reducing shows made for Disney+.

Let's hope they cut the right ones. Less Moon Knight and more She-Hulk, please.

Robot2600 posted...

im so sick of star wars, disney, and super heroes. marvel and dc, just sick of it all.

deadpool is exception.

Same.

SAlYAN posted...

On the one hand, if less volume means increased focus/quality per film, then great.

On the other hand... They're talking about "more avengers" in 2026. Look, it's been 5 years since Endgame. They've MORE than spent their "we need to build back up like phase one" token, by now. And there is NOTHING to care about, anymore. Cap amd Tony were the heart of the team, and there's still no good replacement for them. Thor's fucked off to do his own thing, the Guardians have split up, and Gamora still doesn't give a shit since she was replaced, spider man deleted himself from everyone's mind, Dr strange was barely a member in the first place, and has ALSO fucked off to do his own thing, Captain Marvel is a charisma vacuum who does not give a single shit about anyone else on the team... like, there IS no "Avengers" anymore, and what they have isn't nearly cohesive enough to stand next to the original group, even in their first movie.

To say nothing about how directionless it all feels. Kang was a flop, and now They're pivoting to Galactus, it looks like. Phase 4 was a bunch of pointless, disconnected character pieces that fizzled out without a capstone movie. Half the movies ended major character arcs, dissolved groups, etc. and replaced them with nothing, so there's nothing left to be invested in. It's clear they were banking on people resonating with Captain Marvel and The Marvels so they'd be the new "heart and soul" of the group... but that didn't happen.

Now they have three (?) Movies to pull it all together and make it work? Yeah, I REALLY don't see that happening.
Series should have ended with Endgame.

Whenever people say stuff like this I just have to assume they have completely forgotten about everything pre phase 3. There was never a driving force or connection between every movie. Every character fucks off at the end of every movie. Every Avengers movie is about building the team up or struggling to integrate new members. I don't know what movies people watched before when they say that phases 4 and 5 are disconnected when damn near every movie is a team up or sets up a future plotline. There's less fluff now than ever before.

i just now finally caught up with most of the mcu shows. and i still haven't fully seen moon knight, beyond the first episode which really bored the hell out of me. and like people said, there's no payoff. there's no reason i even watched the shows.

daredevil is cool as hell, and they know it by putting him and kingpin in like three of the shows. but they barely used daredevil, didn't give him a show until later, and focused instead on a whole handful of characters i would never care about. echo? i saw the show and i still don't know why, other than to hype myself for daredevil.

the shows were too much for no reason. there's no endgame (lol) there. it's just too much for no gain.

Its good that theyre focusing more on quality over quantity, but I think the post-Infinty Saga is way over-hated, and it always comes off as people just being jaded and not wanting to continue watching and trying to find any excuse not to.