Current Events > It's time every one finally admitted: metal gear games have shit stories.

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I saw it said a lot when mgs5 came out practically without a story, and I had to just think back, and the series stories tend to be shit. Full of nonsense, pseudo-philosophy, pseudo science, etc.. with every single character in the games serving no purpose other than being a vehicle for exposition. The games ramble on too much about absolute nonsensical filler, with mgs4 being the worst about that.

Mgs3 is definitely the best about story as it didn't really overdo it like the other games did. It had s bit more subtlety, which is saying something for video jojima.
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kojima is a hack

Metal... Gear?
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Solid snake himself is nothing more than jack Bauer with the attention span of a toddler. His sole role in the series is go stumble from one exposition scene to next, doing nothing but asking questions. He's not a great character, he just fucking asks questions and goes on about nonsense.
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Greatest series of all time made by the greatest mind in video games, Kojimagod.
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Zurkon posted...

The entire series is overrated tbh. Its not just the stories.

1 and 3 are legitimately fun to play, imo. 5 is fun goo play too but repetitive.

If 5 and 3 were mixed it'd have been great.
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pres_madagascar posted...

Full of nonsense, pseudo-philosophy, pseudo science, etc

that's what makes it great tho

Raikuro posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Full of nonsense, pseudo-philosophy, pseudo science, etc

that's what makes it great tho

I can handle made up science and philosophy just fine, but by mgs4 there were exposition scenes approaching an hour long that have almost nothing happen in them except two people talking about bullshit.
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They have unrealistic over the top stories....the first 3, while out there, were still enjoyable stories if you go in with those expectations....from 4 on they just get too dumb. Kojima tried too hard to be...something...I don't even know what his goal was...
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La Li Lu Le Lo
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TheVipaGTS posted...

They have unrealistic over the top stories....the first 3, while out there, were still enjoyable stories if you go in with those expectations....from 4 on they just get too dumb. Kojima tried too hard to be...something...I don't even know what his goal was...

In one through three, the "super power" people were all generally explainable with the lame pseudo science except for volgin and mantis. But 4....ugh.
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eston posted...

La Li Lu Le Lo

"Hey guys we need to figure out what the name of our illuminati organization is going to be"

"How about we just take the vowels add L and switch the order around a little"

"Fucking genious"

MGS4 has a garbage story but MGS2 has one of the best story lines that only could be told through the medium of video games.
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I've been saying it for years, but I get that it's not the popular opinion.

In my opinion, MGS is a series that began as a blatant parody of the ridiculous plots of spy fiction and action movies and, when the fans started taking it seriously, Kojima just pretended that was his plan all along.

Dash_Harber posted...

I've been saying it for years, but I get that it's not the popular opinion.

In my opinion, MGS is a series that began as a blatant parody of the ridiculous plots of spy fiction and action movies and, when the fans started taking it seriously, Kojima just pretended that was his plan all along.

Kojima is the highly over-rated part of MGS storytelling. Tomokazu Fukushima is probably the person who made MGS1,2, and 3 have great stories while his absence in MGS4 and 5 made those stories hot garbage.
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Metal Gear Stories are good until you should mature out of high school and realize it's schlock.
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AlternativeFAQS posted...

kojima is a hack

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I don't think anyone actually thinks they have good stories but god damn are they a wild ride.

The La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo?
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YellowSUV posted...

MGS4 has a garbage story but MGS2 has one of the best story lines that only could be told through the medium of video games.

nah, MGS2 has great themes, but poor (to shitty) writing and narrative
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MGS2 is a masterpiece of gaming
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YellowSUV posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I've been saying it for years, but I get that it's not the popular opinion.

In my opinion, MGS is a series that began as a blatant parody of the ridiculous plots of spy fiction and action movies and, when the fans started taking it seriously, Kojima just pretended that was his plan all along.

Kojima is the highly over-rated part of MGS storytelling. Tomokazu Fukushima is probably the person who made MGS1,2, and 3 have great stories while his absence in MGS4 and 5 made those stories hot garbage.

Okay, replace Kojima with the writing staff and it's the same argument.

MGS1 has a good story. It truly is an homage to 80s action films and 80s/90s anime.

MGS3 is good too as a spin on 60s spy thrillers and James Bond. The rest of games are truly moronic and prey on dumbasses who need to be told their gaming hobby doesn't make them pathetic. "Games are SMART. They're HIGHLY INTELLECTUAL." Read a book you clowns.

To his credit, Kojima is good at building a cult around himself off the backs of total morons

They don't even have good waifus
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L9l
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pres_madagascar posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

They have unrealistic over the top stories....the first 3, while out there, were still enjoyable stories if you go in with those expectations....from 4 on they just get too dumb. Kojima tried too hard to be...something...I don't even know what his goal was...

In one through three, the "super power" people were all generally explainable with the lame pseudo science except for volgin and mantis. But 4....ugh.

right, because the pain materializing a fucking tommy gun out of bees was generally explainable with lame pseudoscience
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series was great up to and including peace walker
its a meme to hate mgs4

mgs5 was a great game but konami ruined it
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also can we talk about how volgin said that his body carries an electrical charge of ten million volts
how could kojima overlook something that basic
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Rika_Furude posted...

series was great up to and including peace walker
its a meme to hate mgs4

mgs5 was a great game but konami ruined it

Mgs5 had fun gameplay, but was repetitive and pretty much devoid of story. It was a tech demo for the new engine.
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pres_madagascar posted...

Solid snake himself is nothing more than jack Bauer with the attention span of a toddler. His sole role in the series is go stumble from one exposition scene to next, doing nothing but asking questions. He's not a great character, he just fucking asks questions and goes on about nonsense.

Lest we not forget that the bulk of Raiden's dialogue in MGS2 wad repeating what he'd just been told in question form.
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I agree, TC. The only reason Metal Gear Solid got popular was because it was a stealth game on the PlayStation, and it was unique. The story was never good. The sequels stories were never good.
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Bullshit.
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A Hideo Kojima Game
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pres_madagascar posted...

I saw it said a lot when mgs5 came out practically without a story, and I had to just think back, and the series stories tend to be shit. Full of nonsense, pseudo-philosophy, pseudo science, etc.. with every single character in the games serving no purpose other than being a vehicle for exposition. The games ramble on too much about absolute nonsensical filler, with mgs4 being the worst about that.

Mgs3 is definitely the best about story as it didn't really overdo it like the other games did. It had s bit more subtlety, which is saying something for video jojima.

only the most casual of casual mgs fans think MGS3 had the best story. fuck on outta here TC
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3 made me cry at the end. Not even completely sure why. But I remember crying. Not like a lot.
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Garioshi posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

They have unrealistic over the top stories....the first 3, while out there, were still enjoyable stories if you go in with those expectations....from 4 on they just get too dumb. Kojima tried too hard to be...something...I don't even know what his goal was...

In one through three, the "super power" people were all generally explainable with the lame pseudo science except for volgin and mantis. But 4....ugh.

right, because the pain materializing a fucking tommy gun out of bees was generally explainable with lame pseudoscience

Right? What a weird complaint when MGS4's bad guys had the most believable abilities.

I mean, Vulcan Raven was explicitly magic.
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4 and 5? Sure. In retrospect 1 isn't all that groundbreaking outside of it being a Japanese interpretation of Western action heroism. At least on the plot layer it's not terribly transformative if you remove it from it's own historical context. Now the the construction of that narrative and it's cast particular style of straddling the line between serious and self-referencing parody is still something few developers have managed well in the past twenty years. Perhaps the best thing MGS1 did was create the context for it's sequels and the conversations they would spawn about the dangerous relationship between creators and their fans particularly in gaming media.
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Axiom posted...

eston posted...

La Li Lu Le Lo

"Hey guys we need to figure out what the name of our illuminati organization is going to be"

"How about we just take the vowels add L and switch the order around a little"

"Fucking genious"

lol did you play the game

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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

Bullshit.

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ManSpread posted...

MGS2 is a masterpiece of gaming

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1 and 3 had great stories.

The rest were crap.
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VoightKent posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

I saw it said a lot when mgs5 came out practically without a story, and I had to just think back, and the series stories tend to be shit. Full of nonsense, pseudo-philosophy, pseudo science, etc.. with every single character in the games serving no purpose other than being a vehicle for exposition. The games ramble on too much about absolute nonsensical filler, with mgs4 being the worst about that.

Mgs3 is definitely the best about story as it didn't really overdo it like the other games did. It had s bit more subtlety, which is saying something for video jojima.

DSP is taht you??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LiUBDLwcq4

Fuck no
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1 and 3 were great because they kept things rather simple. All of the cheesy stuff added to that vibe. They were over the top espionage thrillers. Characters talked about movies they liked. The game had fun with its themes and references.

MGS2 had some neat ideas that paid off towards the end of the game. But so much of it is total tripe. It is trying way too much for its own good.

MGS4 was just trash. Kojima at his worse.

Peace Walker was meh. It doesn't really stand out much.

MGS5 barely had a plot in comparison to the rest.
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Axiom posted...

switch the order around a little

(a i u e o) is the natural ordering of the Japanese syllabary.
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Darmik posted...

MGS5 barely had a plot in comparison to the rest.

I'm not saying it's very good, but MGSV absolutely has a plot, but unlike the previous games they don't tell you what you're supposed to get out of it with 15 minute dialogue endings
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not only shit stories but shit gameplay as well.
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Doe posted...

Darmik posted...

MGS5 barely had a plot in comparison to the rest.

I'm not saying it's very good, but MGSV absolutely has a plot, but unlike the previous games they don't tell you what you're supposed to get out of it with 15 minute dialogue endings

I mean more compared to the other games. It was primarily through tapes. You couldn't call up Miller and talk about random shit for example. Snake barely talks throughout the actual game. Cutscenes were minimal. Maybe if that stuff was there the main plot could have stood out a bit more. Otherwise it's just sorta there.

The twist was awful though.
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I 100% agree that the loss of codec is a gigantic negative impact on the game
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They're not the greatest stories ever, but that doesn't mean they're bad.
...except MGSV, that was bad. Maybe if it was finished.