Current Events > Assassins creed odyssey is honestly too big.

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There's too much content. 90% of it being nothing but busywork.

Much was made about the dialogue system, but its basically just fallout 4 dialogue.

There are only 1-3 actual interesting side Quests per island/region, and not all areas have them. These are the quests represented by gold exclamation marks.

Literally everything outside of those quests and the story quests are nothing but mindless busywork.

You also HAVE to do the message board quests to level up, and most of them are timed and will fail on you if you quit the game, so every time you play you have to go to a message board before you even do anything else so you don't risk losing out on xp.

This is a 100 hour game with 10 hours of actual scripted content. The other 90 hours is going around the ridiculously large map doing the same shit over and over.

It's far more noticeable in this than it was in odyssey. The game is fun to play, but I can only play it in spurts. There's just too much to do. It's also really fucking depressing to kill 7 cultists in a row and not even gain a third of one level.
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pres_madagascar posted...

It's far more noticeable in this than it was in odyssey.

Assassins creed odyssey is honestly too big.

wat
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i have almost 20 hours in and dont have any of those complaints tbh
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That's because they want you to spend real money on the 2 permanent XP rate boosts they sell in the in-game store. Otherwise the game is an awful grind.
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Still waiting for the grind at Level 42
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DrizztLink posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

It's far more noticeable in this than it was in odyssey.

Assassins creed odyssey is honestly too big.

wat

HE OBVIOUSLY MEANT ORIGINS YOU GOD DAMN BELLSPROUT
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pres_madagascar posted...

Much was made about the dialogue system, but its basically just fallout 4 dialogue.

Welcome to the AAA world of "add meaningless options in order to tout RPG mechanics"
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DrizztLink posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

It's far more noticeable in this than it was in odyssey.

Assassins creed odyssey is honestly too big.

wat

My bad, fixed it. Meant origins for the later
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Doe posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Much was made about the dialogue system, but its basically just fallout 4 dialogue.

Welcome to the AAA world of "add meaningless options in order to tout RPG mechanics"

This. Miss legit good games like chrono cross
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hockeybub89 posted...

Still waiting for the grind at Level 42

I'm level 30 and just got to Athens in the story, so not far. All of those levels came from just the first couple regions. Now all of a sudden xp has dried up a bit. Like, how much I'm being rewarded I mean. It's weird.
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Something about the battle system in Origins and Odyssey bugs me. I can't put my finger on it but it's not fun.
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Something about the battle system in Origins and Odyssey bugs me. I can't put my finger on it but it's not fun.

Switch the controls to the alternate scheme. Switches combat from the shoulder buttons to the face buttons, so much better.
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pres_madagascar posted...

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Something about the battle system in Origins and Odyssey bugs me. I can't put my finger on it but it's not fun.

Switch the controls to the alternate scheme. Switches combat from the shoulder buttons to the face buttons, so much better.

I think I tried it but I stopped playing the game because it couldn't keep me engaged. What difference does it make for the combat?
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too many games. not enough time. arrrrgh
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pres_madagascar posted...

You also HAVE to do the message board quests to level up

Wtf, no you don't. Basically the only message board quests I ever did were the orichalcum ones
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pres_madagascar posted...

You also HAVE to do the message board quests to level up, and most of them are timed and will fail on you if you quit the game, so every time you play you have to go to a message board before you even do anything else so you don't risk losing out on xp.

I didn't have to and I hit the level cap like 20 hours before I beat the game
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one of the biggest things keeping me from playing the game is the leveling system.

I don't really like grinding, especially in games that are mostly action-adventures.
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Wait you just got to Athens at 30? Im much further and at 35. And I feel like Ive done a bunch of side quests/clearing areas, it hasnt felt grindy.
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yea i first got to athens at level 14 lol
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SoundNetwork posted...

DrizztLink posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

It's far more noticeable in this than it was in odyssey.

Assassins creed odyssey is honestly too big.

wat

HE OBVIOUSLY MEANT ORIGINS YOU GOD DAMN BELLSPROUT

Lmfao called him a bellsprout
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Heresy

Everybody knows nothing matters except being so damn big it takes you three years to cross the overworld.
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I'm a sucker for stealth, but by and large, you are going to be repeating the same 4 quests over and over:

Clear the <place>
Kill the <person>
Talk to the <person(s)>
Forced open combat

the only difference being a new texture for a building or face. The environments are too samey to make you feel any difference between fort a and fort z, barring a few exceptions.

I liked it, I completed it, but I can't say it's a good game. For me, it's basically sucrose. Sugar water. I love stealth to a fault, I got the game for free, and when it came out I had a very generous amount of nothing else to do. But it's the same 10 hour game, 5 times in a row.
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Guide posted...

I'm a sucker for stealth, but by and large, you are going to be repeating the same 4 quests over and over:

Clear the <place>
Kill the <person>
Talk to the <person(s)>
Forced open combat

the only difference being a new texture for a building or face. The environments are too samey to make you feel any difference between fort a and fort z, barring a few exceptions.

I liked it, I completed it, but I can't say it's a good game. For me, it's basically sucrose. Sugar water. I love stealth to a fault, I got the game for free, and when it came out I had a very generous amount of nothing else to do. But it's the same 10 hour game, 5 times in a row.

This is how I feel. I don't hate it, in fact I like it, but there's some definite regressions from origins as well as it's progressions.
Origins would still let you stealth through just about the entire game. And for the most part, I stealth this game too, but you're a warrior so it's going to make you fight.

I've built my guy basically warrior tree and assassin tree. I stealth until I can't, then i fight.

I've also not found any reason to use any other weapon combo besides sword and spear. Both are the most effective weapons for their purpose.
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Hmm
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Wait you just got to Athens at 30? Im much further and at 35. And I feel like Ive done a bunch of side quests/clearing areas, it hasnt felt grindy.

My story quests are in Athens yeah, haven't done any of them. I'm 33 now. Just did two fights in the arena down south of the map.
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Yeah I first went to the Arena last night. Didnt want to sail all the way down there, but finally did because of the two Cultists.
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Yes the game is way too big. You can beat the game and Platinum it without doing like half of the "?" on the map.

Guide posted...

I'm a sucker for stealth, but by and large, you are going to be repeating the same 4 quests over and over:

Clear the <place>
Kill the <person>
Talk to the <person(s)>
Forced open combat

the only difference being a new texture for a building or face. The environments are too samey to make you feel any difference between fort a and fort z, barring a few exceptions.

I liked it, I completed it, but I can't say it's a good game. For me, it's basically sucrose. Sugar water. I love stealth to a fault, I got the game for free, and when it came out I had a very generous amount of nothing else to do. But it's the same 10 hour game, 5 times in a row.

This is legit. People complained about repetition in Origins and they still managed to make everything less variable lmao.
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Bio1590 posted...

Yes the game is way too big. You can beat the game and Platinum it without doing like half of the "?" on the map.

Guide posted...

I'm a sucker for stealth, but by and large, you are going to be repeating the same 4 quests over and over:

Clear the <place>
Kill the <person>
Talk to the <person(s)>
Forced open combat

the only difference being a new texture for a building or face. The environments are too samey to make you feel any difference between fort a and fort z, barring a few exceptions.

I liked it, I completed it, but I can't say it's a good game. For me, it's basically sucrose. Sugar water. I love stealth to a fault, I got the game for free, and when it came out I had a very generous amount of nothing else to do. But it's the same 10 hour game, 5 times in a row.

This is legit. People complained about repetition in Origins and they still managed to make everything less variable lmao.

This. Origins still felt pretty good, despite its weak story and repetitive quests, it's pacing was better too.

Odyssey, once you have your ship, is basically: "here's a hundred hours worth of side shit to do, with no real restrictions or gates or introductions whatsoever, have fun".
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Something about the battle system in Origins and Odyssey bugs me. I can't put my finger on it but it's not fun.

it's the combination of piss poor combat animations, floaty weapons, and the lack of satisfying hit sounds.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Yeah I first went to the Arena last night. Didnt want to sail all the way down there, but finally did because of the two Cultists.

I had been working my way south already anyway, some of those little tiny islands have some cool shit.

The island with the arena has a ton of side quests(the gold ones, aka the good ones), as well as a mystical beast fight, and a couple tombs.
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XplodnPnguins92 posted...

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Something about the battle system in Origins and Odyssey bugs me. I can't put my finger on it but it's not fun.

it's the combination of piss poor combat animations, floaty weapons, and the lack of satisfying hit sounds.

I find it much better when it's remapped to the face buttons. What it does when you use the alternate is:.

Light attack: square
Heavy attack: triangle
Dodge: circle
Parry: l1 + r1
Parkour up: r2
Parkour down: r1

With this setup, I almost never get hit in combat. Having the dodge and attack buttons so close to eachother, and having parry easy to do too, it trivializes the combat even further. Makes it more fun too.
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Do you really have to hit two buttons to parry on consoles? What kind of control design is that?
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Do you really have to hit two buttons to parry on consoles? What kind of control design is that?

It sounds bad but it's impossible to fuck up for me, so I dunno but yes.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Do you really have to hit two buttons to parry on consoles? What kind of control design is that?

It's cause every button on its own is accounted for and there's no difference between non-Combat and Combat

Square: Dodge/Roll
Triangle: Action/Interact/Assassinate
Circle: Crouch/Parkour Down
X: Parkour Up
L1 (Hold): Activates Warrior/Assassin ability options
L2 (Hold): Aim bow, activates Hunter ability options
R1: Light attack
R2: Heavy attack
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I bought this game for my wife for Christmas because she loves Ooen World games but you guys are scaring me with this.
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PhazonReborn posted...

I bought this game for my wife for Christmas because she loves Ooen World games but you guys are scaring me with this.

Its a great game if you love Greek history. Its fun too. The world is massive and you honestly dont have to do everything. Story is pretty good too, at least so far.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

I bought this game for my wife for Christmas because she loves Ooen World games but you guys are scaring me with this.

Its a great game if you love Greek history. Its fun too. The world is massive and you honestly dont have to do everything. Story is pretty good too, at least so far.

I'm hoping she likes it. She loved BOTW and Horizon
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Bio1590 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Do you really have to hit two buttons to parry on consoles? What kind of control design is that?

It's cause every button on its own is accounted for and there's no difference between non-Combat and Combat

Square: Dodge/Roll
Triangle: Action/Interact/Assassinate
Circle: Crouch/Parkour Down
X: Parkour Up
L1 (Hold): Activates Warrior/Assassin ability options
L2 (Hold): Aim bow, activates Hunter ability options
R1: Light attack
R2: Heavy attack

That's why I like my alternate one honestly.

Bio1590 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Do you really have to hit two buttons to parry on consoles? What kind of control design is that?

It's cause every button on its own is accounted for and there's no difference between non-Combat and Combat

Square: Dodge/Roll
Triangle: Action/Interact/Assassinate
Circle: Crouch/Parkour Down
X: Parkour Up
L1 (Hold): Activates Warrior/Assassin ability options
L2 (Hold): Aim bow, activates Hunter ability options
R1: Light attack
R2: Heavy attack

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

I bought this game for my wife for Christmas because she loves Ooen World games but you guys are scaring me with this.

Its a great game if you love Greek history. Its fun too. The world is massive and you honestly dont have to do everything. Story is pretty good too, at least so far.

It's certainly a better story than origins, but I get so distracted exploring and doinh side shit that I have barely touched the story. My current story quests are meant to be done around 14-16, and I'm 33.

There are loot chests fucking everywhere. Literally everywhere. I spend half my time exploring tombs and shit for them.
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SoundNetwork posted...

DrizztLink posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

It's far more noticeable in this than it was in odyssey.

Assassins creed odyssey is honestly too big.

wat

HE OBVIOUSLY MEANT ORIGINS YOU GOD DAMN BELLSPROUT

Honestly didn't know, I haven't touched the series since 3.
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I hate the direction Assassin's Creed is going now. They're now just doing huge ass worlds at their leisure with no regard for the actual story or gameplay.

And as long as the reviews are good, they'll keep doubling down on it.

At this point I'm more excited for Assassin's Creed 3 Remastered than a new game.
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Also, I hate how easy ship stuff is in this game. Are there even legendary ships? I've destroyed tons of elite ones, but haven't found any legendary ones.

It's not like black flag naval stuff, it's much easier. I've never even lost more than a third of my hull health in any battle yet.

Also, pro tip: get the hero strike ability from the assassin tree. It's the most powerful melee ability in the game and devestates mercs and captains and stuff.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

I hate the direction Assassin's Creed is going now. They're now just doing huge ass worlds at their leisure with no regard for the actual story or gameplay.

And as long as the reviews are good, they'll keep doubling down on it.

At this point I'm more excited for Assassin's Creed 3 Remastered than a new game.

Odyssey has a decent story though.
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I started playing it the other day, I don't think I'll continue. RDR2 ruined me for openworld games. Everything feels so floaty and unpolished. The horses feel terrible in comparison.

I'm playing it on PC on ultra settings/2k resolution and graphically it looks worse than RDR2 in 1080p on my Pro.
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Kinda hard to blame them when Syndicate sold like shit and the trend for most things these days is "massive open world".
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Hero Strike is bae.

Are you even able to see Cult members yet? Forget when you learn about that stuff and start upgrading the spear.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Hero Strike is bae.

Are you even able to see Cult members yet? Forget when you learn about that stuff and start upgrading the spear.

Yep, my spear is level 4, and I've killed like a third or so of rhe cultists. And yeah, hero strike is a savior.

MuayThai85 posted...

I started playing it the other day, I don't think I'll continue. RDR2 ruined me for openworld games. Everything feels so floaty and unpolished. The horses feel terrible in comparison.

I'm playing it on PC on ultra settings/2k resolution and graphically it looks worse than RDR2 in 1080p on my Pro.

I think hlthis was my mistake too, going into it after rdr2.

Rdr2 has kind of ruined open world games now.

Bio1590 posted...

Kinda hard to blame them when Syndicate sold like shit and the trend for most things these days is "massive open world".

Syndicate was also the most boring world of the bunch. It wasn't a bad game, it just all looked the same because, well, Victorian London.
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Reading these topics always makes me feel good about my conscious decision years ago to never buy a Ubisoft game again.
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I don't like the direction AC is going either. While I had fun, there's just no reason for me to go to this new format again. I've done it, wrung it out, beaten the horse to death, etc. If I had played Origins, I wouldn't have bothered with Odyssey.

They need to refocus the core concept back to the original. Areas that are interesting and challenging to navigate that are guarding a target that you will then need to get the hell away from once it's clear you've kill him. And of course, variants on that.

I do -not- miss 100% completion conditions, though. Game design should make the way you kill interesting, not arbitrary restrictions.
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Guide posted...

I don't like the direction AC is going either. While I had fun, there's just no reason for me to go to this new format again. I've done it, wrung it out, beaten the horse to death, etc. If I had played Origins, I wouldn't have bothered with Odyssey.

They need to refocus the core concept back to the original. Areas that are interesting and challenging to navigate that are guarding a target that you will then need to get the hell away from once it's clear you've kill him. And of course, variants on that.

I do -not- miss 100% completion conditions, though. Game design should make the way you kill interesting, not arbitrary restrictions.

Tbqh I think they should scale things way the fuck back. Make a throwback to brotherhood. Couple of smaller scale cities or towns, but make them more interesting and detailed, and make it more story focused, and bring back the multiplayer.
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