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Jen0125
04/11/17 3:21:37 PM
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does.. does zyklon b gas not count as a chemical weapon?
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Erik_P
04/11/17 3:23:03 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
does.. does zyklon b gas not count as a chemical weapon?


Sean Spicer is a fucking idiot. You expect him to know history?

Actually, Spicer is saying what Trump wants him to say, so neither of them know history.
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Blighboy
04/11/17 3:23:08 PM
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I think it's fair to assume he was talking about warfare.

Even the United States executed criminals using gas chambers, it was standard practice for a long time.

That said, invoking Hitler in this situation doesn't mean a whole lot. Hitler did a lot of nice or at least not terrible things, but the terrible parts are the important parts.
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Jen0125
04/11/17 3:24:53 PM
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so imprisoning the jews and mass executions during the war weren't part of warfare?
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Peterass
04/11/17 3:26:44 PM
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He definitely misspoke here. That being said, he retracted his statement saying that he was referring to battlefield use. Probably wishes he didn't say anything at all.
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Jiggy101011
04/11/17 3:35:46 PM
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Whenever I see Sean Spicer I just see Melissa Mccarthy now.
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Blighboy
04/11/17 3:36:48 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
so imprisoning the jews and mass executions during the war weren't part of warfare?

As far as I know the vast majority of those executed were not PoWs. So yeah. Somebody else can correct me though.

It's a stupid as shit point to make, but I do think it is at least a point. There is a distinction. As many people like to point out, the fact that the international community is so harsh on chemical weapons is largely an arbitrary distinction, so you need to be precise when dealing with it. Torturing and killing your own people is fine, but chemical weapons on the battlefield is not.

It sucks, but from a cynical perspective preventing the use of chemical weapons on the battlefield is a realistic goal, so it's worthwhile to try and prevent it. Bringing up Hitler is stupid though. Particularly as 20 years before Hitler you had both chemical weapons employed by both sides in the preceding war.
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Hejiru
04/11/17 3:37:13 PM
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Peterass posted...
He definitely misspoke here.
Probably wishes he didn't say anything at all.


Sean Spicer in a nutshell.
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green dragon
04/11/17 3:40:06 PM
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Everything is a chemical
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Blighboy
04/11/17 3:41:01 PM
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I kind of feel for Sean Spicer though. On the one hand, from what I've researched he does seem to genuinely support Trump's positions. But I bet his job would be easier if he was defending literally anyone else in Trump's position, even if they shared Trump's political stances. Trump just stumbles so much on dumb shit, Spicer has to deal with an avalanche of hard questions and can't just acknowledge that Trump blundered.
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Kyuubi4269
04/11/17 3:41:35 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons_in_World_War_I
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Blighboy
04/11/17 3:41:54 PM
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green dragon posted...
Everything is a chemical

Yeah but I think chemical weapons are defined as weapons that react chemically with the victim, which excludes most weapons. Chemistry itself is more focused on the reaction side of things.
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green dragon
04/11/17 3:50:29 PM
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Blighboy posted...
green dragon posted...
Everything is a chemical

Yeah but I think chemical weapons are defined as weapons that react chemically with the victim, which excludes most weapons. Chemistry itself is more focused on the reaction side of things.

Yeah I know, I was just being dumb
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Blighboy
04/11/17 3:51:15 PM
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Dumb is not a chemical.
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Jen0125
04/11/17 3:58:40 PM
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Blighboy posted...
Jen0125 posted...
so imprisoning the jews and mass executions during the war weren't part of warfare?

As far as I know the vast majority of those executed were not PoWs. So yeah. Somebody else can correct me though.

It's a stupid as shit point to make, but I do think it is at least a point. There is a distinction. As many people like to point out, the fact that the international community is so harsh on chemical weapons is largely an arbitrary distinction, so you need to be precise when dealing with it. Torturing and killing your own people is fine, but chemical weapons on the battlefield is not.

It sucks, but from a cynical perspective preventing the use of chemical weapons on the battlefield is a realistic goal, so it's worthwhile to try and prevent it. Bringing up Hitler is stupid though. Particularly as 20 years before Hitler you had both chemical weapons employed by both sides in the preceding war.


i mean technically using chemical weapons on children isn't really part of warfare. so either way the comparison i don't think really works. i just really didn't know if there's a distinction or not.
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Erik_P
04/11/17 3:59:25 PM
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Blighboy posted...
I kind of feel for Sean Spicer though. On the one hand, from what I've researched he does seem to genuinely support Trump's positions. But I bet his job would be easier if he was defending literally anyone else in Trump's position, even if they shared Trump's political stances. Trump just stumbles so much on dumb shit, Spicer has to deal with an avalanche of hard questions and can't just acknowledge that Trump blundered.


He chooses to be a stooge and say stupid shit. That's all on him. Nobody should ever feel sorry for him.
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jamieyello3
04/11/17 4:02:26 PM
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Sean Spencer holocaust denier.
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FatalAccident
04/11/17 4:07:16 PM
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i hope green dragon isn't a chemistry teacher
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helIy
04/11/17 4:08:29 PM
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Blighboy posted...
green dragon posted...
Everything is a chemical

Yeah but I think chemical weapons are defined as weapons that react chemically with the victim, which excludes most weapons. Chemistry itself is more focused on the reaction side of things.

wouldn't lead poisoning be a chemical reaction
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ZiggiStardust
04/11/17 4:11:48 PM
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"Hitler never used chemical weapons. I mean in the wrong way. Fuck I mean against his own people. I mean people who didn't deserve it SHIT!"
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Lokarin
04/11/17 4:12:51 PM
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This is the point I was TRYING to get across about Assad
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The_Beta_Male
04/11/17 4:17:14 PM
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jamieyello3 posted...
Sean Spencer holocaust denier.


okay but to be fair is there any real concrete proof that hitler did those things? is there really any proof that some 6 million jewish people were killed in such a way?

i'm just saying. stop blindly accepting everything your illuminati overlords force down your throats
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Foppe
04/11/17 4:27:28 PM
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In my world, saying something like that should be political suicide.
I miss my world.
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jamieyello3
04/11/17 4:31:07 PM
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The_Beta_Male posted...
okay but to be fair is there any real concrete proof that hitler did those things? is there really any proof that some 6 million jewish people were killed in such a way?

i'm just saying. stop blindly accepting everything your illuminati overlords force down your throats

Yeah it was only like 80 years ago. Of course you could just say the government made it all up, but it's pretty much universally excepted, even by Germans.
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Jen0125
04/11/17 4:35:30 PM
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ZiggiStardust posted...
"Hitler never used chemical weapons. I mean in the wrong way. Fuck I mean against his own people. I mean people who didn't deserve it SHIT!"


LOL

The_Beta_Male posted...

okay but to be fair is there any real concrete proof that hitler did those things? is there really any proof that some 6 million jewish people were killed in such a way?

i'm just saying. stop blindly accepting everything your illuminati overlords force down your throats


to be fair no one has said 6 million jews were killed in the gas chambers. it was 6 million jews were killed in any number of extermination methods used.
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ernieforss
04/11/17 4:40:47 PM
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more proof that jewish communities don't count in trump administration.

now we can add Romani communities.
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berniepanders
04/11/17 4:42:04 PM
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green dragon posted...
Everything is a chemical

except jesus
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DarkKirby2500
04/11/17 4:46:54 PM
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People need to stop comparing things to Hitler. It's almost never actually a good comparison and makes you look like an idiot.
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Explicit Dank
04/11/17 5:32:40 PM
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He meant Stan Hitler, at least do some research people.
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Erik_P
04/11/17 5:39:48 PM
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The_Beta_Male posted...
jamieyello3 posted...
Sean Spencer holocaust denier.


okay but to be fair is there any real concrete proof that hitler did those things? is there really any proof that some 6 million jewish people were killed in such a way?

i'm just saying. stop blindly accepting everything your illuminati overlords force down your throats


You forgot the /s at the end of that. Would hate to find out on top of all the garbage you spout, you're also a Holocaust denier.
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RCtheWSBC
04/11/17 5:41:10 PM
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"Holocaust Center"
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Hejiru
04/11/17 5:42:19 PM
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The_Beta_Male posted...
jamieyello3 posted...
Sean Spencer holocaust denier.


okay but to be fair is there any real concrete proof that hitler did those things? is there really any proof that some 6 million jewish people were killed in such a way?

i'm just saying. stop blindly accepting everything your illuminati overlords force down your throats


hoo boy
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berniepanders
04/11/17 5:43:28 PM
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that hasn't been modded yet?

i get warned for saying i'm ziggi but the mods have no problem with open holocaust denial?
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Hejiru
04/11/17 5:46:41 PM
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I don't believe in mods
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The_Beta_Male
04/11/17 6:40:25 PM
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Erik_P posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
jamieyello3 posted...
Sean Spencer holocaust denier.


okay but to be fair is there any real concrete proof that hitler did those things? is there really any proof that some 6 million jewish people were killed in such a way?

i'm just saying. stop blindly accepting everything your illuminati overlords force down your throats


You forgot the /s at the end of that. Would hate to find out on top of all the garbage you spout, you're also a Holocaust denier.


it's reactions like yours that make being one so tempting

but no, i'm neither a denier nor a supporter (for lack of a better word). i dunno if it happened or not, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was all a bunch of bs to generate sympathy for the jewish people (aka the guys and gals that literally own all of the world's money and banks, hmmmmmmmm)

i mean think about it...why the fuck are we like Israel's big brother/sister again? does anybody know? no? isn't that worrying?
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Erik_P
04/11/17 6:42:10 PM
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So you are a Holocaust denier then. Good to know.

Maybe you should've paid attention in school when the covered it history class. Or did you drop out of school before they got to it?
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Jen0125
04/11/17 6:48:23 PM
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RCtheWSBC posted...
"Holocaust Center"


Lol stop I can't take it
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ssj4supervegeta
04/11/17 6:50:45 PM
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is mayonnaise a chemical weapon?
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ArvTheGreat
04/11/17 7:10:52 PM
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He was right hitler didn't use any of it his lackies did
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shadowsword87
04/11/17 8:53:06 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons_in_World_War_I


I love how this was passed over.
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Doctor Foxx
04/11/17 8:56:53 PM
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The best part is that it's Passover. A great time to be tone deaf about this issue.
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berniepanders
04/11/17 8:58:54 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
The best part is that it's Passover. A great time to be tone deaf about this issue.

look, i respect the jewish people and everything they went through, but let's not pretend their religious holidays have merit
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The_Beta_Male
04/11/17 9:00:35 PM
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Erik_P posted...
So you are a Holocaust denier then. Good to know.

Maybe you should've paid attention in school when the covered it history class. Or did you drop out of school before they got to it?


of all the ways to retort and properly debate you and i just realized how irrelevant it is b/c you, a grown ass man of 30+ years, refused to honor a bet you made yourself. you aren't even a welcher you're just a shameful lil guy, bro
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Mead
04/11/17 9:06:35 PM
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I'm not sure how that fucking moron got a job at the white house I wouldn't trust him to operate a dairy queen
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Erik_P
04/11/17 9:09:21 PM
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The_Beta_Male posted...
Erik_P posted...
So you are a Holocaust denier then. Good to know.

Maybe you should've paid attention in school when the covered it history class. Or did you drop out of school before they got to it?


of all the ways to retort and properly debate you and i just realized how irrelevant it is b/c you, a grown ass man of 30+ years, refused to honor a bet you made yourself. you aren't even a welcher you're just a shameful lil guy, bro


Remember that time you welched on a fight and showed up 3 hours late, knowing full well the person wouldn't wait that long?
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Zeus
04/11/17 9:09:59 PM
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Blighboy posted...
I think it's fair to assume he was talking about warfare.

Even the United States executed criminals using gas chambers, it was standard practice for a long time.

That said, invoking Hitler in this situation doesn't mean a whole lot. Hitler did a lot of nice or at least not terrible things, but the terrible parts are the important parts.


This, pretty much, although it was still a stupidly worded remark on Spicer's part.

Jen0125 posted...
so imprisoning the jews and mass executions during the war weren't part of warfare?


That's correct. They weren't combatants, they were civilians.

Peterass posted...
He definitely misspoke here. That being said, he retracted his statement saying that he was referring to battlefield use. Probably wishes he didn't say anything at all.


He recently shouldn't be allowed to say much at all. He has an amazing ability to make any situation a lot worse.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons_in_World_War_I


The Geneva Protocols were in 1925. Granted, even back before WWI you had other acknowledgements regarding chemical warfare, as noted by your source.

Jen0125 posted...
i mean technically using chemical weapons on children isn't really part of warfare. so either way the comparison i don't think really works. i just really didn't know if there's a distinction or not.


The weapons were used for warfare, the civilians were collateral damage. That's assuming that the Assad narrative is false (ie, that rebels seized and used the weapons to spur US retaliation against Syria). In the case of the Nazis, they were just executing civilians for the purpose of genocide (which, in itself, is also now considered a crime against humanity)
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Erik_P
04/11/17 9:11:50 PM
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Oh cool, how is it I knew Zeus would be the type to defend Spicer?
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Zeus
04/11/17 9:23:29 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Oh cool, how is it I knew Zeus would be the type to defend Spicer?


Oh cool, how is it I knew awful Erik would read my comments as defending Spicer? Oh wait, it's because Erik is functionally illiterate.
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Erik_P
04/11/17 9:28:24 PM
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Zeus posted...
Erik_P posted...
Oh cool, how is it I knew Zeus would be the type to defend Spicer?


Oh cool, how is it I knew awful Erik would read my comments as defending Spicer? Oh wait, it's because Erik is functionally illiterate.



You tried claiming over 6 million people murdered in concentration camps are just collateral damage. Thank God the majority of people don't have as callous a view of the Holocaust as you and Bligh.
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Erik_P
04/11/17 9:33:34 PM
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Apparently while apologizing on CNN, Fake Spice accidentally said he wasn't trying to distract from Trump's efforts to destabilize the Middle East.
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