Current Events > United Airlines Staff Will No Longer Take Seats of Boarded Passengers

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/16/us/united-passengers-removal.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Well that's just great, only took a week of worldwide outrage to fix what should have been common sense.
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Best meme of 2017
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Common sense is to get your employees where they need to be so you don't get more delays. Common sense is also don't bump a doctor and don't cause physical trauma if you can't get a volunteer
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NintendoFanGirl posted...

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The story was from yesterday and searching united and air yeilded no results, my bad if someone made a poorly worded topic about it.
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Yeah, until they need to get their employees somewhere quick.
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voldothegr8 posted...

NintendoFanGirl posted...

old

The story was from yesterday and searching united and air yeilded no results, my bad if someone made a poorly worded topic about it.

yea the story is from yesterday.

Ignore NFG.

All she seems to know how to do is complain aboutnews being old.
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Am I the only one that sided with United?

I'm not saying everything went down great, overbooked tickets should be sold as such so the customer knows they may need to have their flight rescheduled.

What is the new policy for handling overbooked flights, first on? Eh, If I arrive early, whether I'm seated or not, I should get a seat over the pushy asshole that got in line first but arrived to the airport later than myself.
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AlisLandale posted...

Ignore NFG.

All she seems to know how to do is complain aboutnews being old.

Whose alt is that?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Am I the only one that sided with United?

I'm not saying everything went down great, overbooked tickets should be sold as such so the customer knows they may need to have their flight rescheduled.

What is the new policy for handling overbooked flights, first on? Eh, If I arrive early, whether I'm seated or not, I should get a seat over the pushy asshole that got in line first.

it's not even an overbooked flight.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Am I the only one that sided with United?

You might be. I'm usually always on the side of the business, and even I thought that was horseshit.
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The Admiral posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Am I the only one that sided with United?

You might be. I'm usually always on the side of the business, and even I thought that was horseshit.

What specifically was horseshit though?

Overbooking, throwing people off, police doing their job?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

What is the new policy for handling overbooked flights, first on?

Don't overbook flights?
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NintendoFanGirl posted...

old

is a day too old now ?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Overbooking, throwing people off, police doing their job?

Throwing people off, specifically. They never should have started boarding until this was resolved, so it never should have come to that.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Am I the only one that sided with United?

You might be. I'm usually always on the side of the business, and even I thought that was horseshit.

What specifically was horseshit though?

Overbooking, throwing people off, police doing their job?

throwing people off when they're already boarded, that is the part that is horseshit

airlines overbook often yes but they're to take care of it prior to people boarding and sitting down
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Am I the only one that sided with United?

You might be. I'm usually always on the side of the business, and even I thought that was horseshit.

What specifically was horseshit though?

Overbooking, throwing people off, police doing their job?

all of it imo
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The Admiral posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Overbooking, throwing people off, police doing their job?

Throwing people off, specifically. They never should have started boarding until this was resolved, so it never should have come to that.

They should have just kept offering people more money to get bumped. I'm sure there'd be plenty of volunteers if they offered $2-3K.

Now they're going to be paying significantly more when this guy sues them. Plus their stock dropped and I'm sure they've lost some customers for good.

Crazy how they did this to try and save thousands, but will end up losing many more millions.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

Don't overbook flights

So lose hundreds of thousands of dollars a year because you can't find a better solution than boarding a plane you know is overbooked? Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

police doing their job

Hodor
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TommyG663513 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Overbooking, throwing people off, police doing their job?

Throwing people off, specifically. They never should have started boarding until this was resolved, so it never should have come to that.

They should have just kept offering people more money to get bumped. I'm sure there'd be plenty of volunteers if they offered $2-3K.

Now they're going to be paying significantly more when this guy sues them. Plus their stock dropped and I'm sure they've lost some customers for good.

Crazy how they did this to try and save thousands, but will end up losing many more millions.

It was a dumb move and hopefully will serve as a lesson to other airlines about what not to do
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TommyG663513 posted...

Crazy how they did this to try and save thousands

They could have sent the employees on a Southwest flight that would have cost $100.
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Overbooking is a necessity for flights as the profit margins are inherently thin and you have to have a way to offset people cancelling their flights/no shows. But if people are going to be bumped off a flight, it needs to be before anyone boards a plane. Furthermore, they compensation for being bumped needs to be made better. Enough with getting several small vouchers that can't be used together and that expire in a year.
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megamanfreakXD posted...

Best meme of 2017

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Gheb posted...

Furthermore, they compensation for being bumped needs to be made better

If you are forcibly bumped the pay is set by national law, if you volunteer than it's however the company decides.
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another one had to leave his seat after being threatened with being dragged out in handcuffs



seems hell sue too ( he wants the money to be donated to a charity )
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Gheb posted...

Overbooking is a necessity for flights as the profit margins are inherently thin and you have to have a way to offset people cancelling their flights/no shows. But if people are going to be bumped off a flight, it needs to be before anyone boards a plane. Furthermore, they compensation for being bumped needs to be made better. Enough with getting several small vouchers that can't be used together and that expire in a year.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Just don't allow refunds on airline tickets after a certain amount of time. The reason profit margins are as thin as they are is because no shows also get their money back.
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I don't blame United for the beatdown, I blame them for how they handled the passenger and the PR.
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Gheb posted...

Overbooking is a necessity for flights as the profit margins are inherently thin

Not the customers' problem.

Sell more flights then.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Am I the only one that sided with United?

You might be. I'm usually always on the side of the business, and even I thought that was horseshit.

What specifically was horseshit though?

Overbooking, throwing people off, police doing their job?

All of the above. How is it the Customer's fault United overbooked? By the time you're in the seat you should be guaranteed a flight. If they want you to give the seat up they should have given a more fair credit.
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I Like Toast posted...

Kim Kusanagi posted...

Don't overbook flights

So lose hundreds of thousands of dollars a year because you can't find a better solution than boarding a plane you know is overbooked?

The economic argument isn't going to convince them when they just see it as big business fucking over the little man in yet another 1 out of a thousand ways they already do.

For me, it's not the economics of it (and that cost being passed on to the customers [us]), it's the environment disaster that is putting thousands of empty seats in the sky every year.

Flying is already an amazing privilege, I don't really give a fucking if a few people have to be inconvenienced so that 99.9% of us can enjoy the privilege beyond expectation. The mewling of getting paid to take another flight falls on deaf ears here.
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I Like Toast posted...

So lose hundreds of thousands of dollars a year because you can't find a better solution than boarding a plane you know is overbooked?

Yes. Sell more flights.

Problem solved.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Gheb posted...

Overbooking is a necessity for flights as the profit margins are inherently thin and you have to have a way to offset people cancelling their flights/no shows. But if people are going to be bumped off a flight, it needs to be before anyone boards a plane. Furthermore, they compensation for being bumped needs to be made better. Enough with getting several small vouchers that can't be used together and that expire in a year.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Just don't allow refunds on airline tickets after a certain amount of time. The reason profit margins are as thin as they are is because no shows also get their money back.

Since when did no shows get refunds for flight tickets?
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MrDrMan posted...

All of the above. How is it the Customer's fault United overbooked?

I already said the system isn't transparent enough. If no one wants to take the payout they're required to give, the airline gets to make an executive decision. It's their fucking jet, get the fuck off it when they say. If you believe you're owed restitution, that's a civil matter to later be resolved.

By the time you're in the seat you should be guaranteed a flight.

I agree but we're already at the point that requires fundamental changes, prior to this event, this wasn't a guarantee, now, it seems like their policy is changing.

If they want you to give the seat up they should have given a more fair credit.

To what end? Let's not assume that there is a fair credit that also satisfies their profit motive. If no one wants to take what makes economic sense, they're going to have to throw someone off. You can't just give away the house every time you over book.
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I love how when it comes to individual people, CE and society in general is cruel as fuck ("personal accountability!", "be fit to survive!", "bootstraps!", "pull your own weight!") but when it is about billionaire corporations people suddenly acre about their "feelings" and care about their "thin margins" and losing even an inch of profitability, literally corporate wellfare mentality.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You can't just give away the house every time you over book.

Dont overbook then. Simple.
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emblem boy posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Gheb posted...

Overbooking is a necessity for flights as the profit margins are inherently thin and you have to have a way to offset people cancelling their flights/no shows. But if people are going to be bumped off a flight, it needs to be before anyone boards a plane. Furthermore, they compensation for being bumped needs to be made better. Enough with getting several small vouchers that can't be used together and that expire in a year.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Just don't allow refunds on airline tickets after a certain amount of time. The reason profit margins are as thin as they are is because no shows also get their money back.

Since when did no shows get refunds for flight tickets?

This. Vouchers/credits? Sure. Haven't found a place willing to issue a refund though, but I go with the cheap guys.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You can't just give away the house every time you over book.

Dont overbook then. Simple.

Fuck the environment then. Simple.
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Overbooking is horse shit and needs to be done away with. Period.

Flying is already a huge pain in the ass. Even the shortest flights are hundreds of dollars. You have to show up hours before the flight leaves, only to hurry up and wait.

You mean to tell me that after paying hundreds of dollars and waiting for 3 hours that I might not get the flight I paid for? I might have to wait 12 more hours and sit in this airport with nothing to do? Fuck you.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Kim Kusanagi posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You can't just give away the house every time you over book.

Dont overbook then. Simple.

Fuck the environment then. Simple.

Ooooh ooooh you wanna play the environmentalist card?

I can play it too.

Buy less cars and use more public transportation.

Stop using nuclear power and switch to hydroelectrical.

Use less gas and more diesel/electric transportation.

Stop using 4 wheeled vehicles and more 2 wheeled ones.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

and that cost being passed on to the customers [us]),

If they didn't the cost would be on your ticket. Overbooking means the only time that the cost is passed to you is if you're unlucky to be bumped, which you still get compensated for.

Overbooking isn't the problem. Letting them board an overbooked flight is.


Kim Kusanagi posted...

Yes. Sell more flights.

Problem solved.

Congratulations, you now have to lay off your workforce because you're flying half filled flights. Kimmy showing his daily struggles of looking intelligent.
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I Like Toast posted...

If they didn't the cost would be on your ticket.

That was exactly my point.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

Ooooh ooooh you wanna play the environmentalist card?

I can play it too.

Buy less cars and use more public transportation.

Stop using nuclear power and switch to hydroelectrical.

Use less gas and more diesel/electric transportation.

Stop using 4 wheeled vehicles and more 2 wheeled ones.

Do you think fundamental changes to our society is comparable to airline booking practices?
Also, nuclear is greener than hydro.

Fucking honestly though, you're proposing thousands of empty seats a year to avoid some jackass getting hit every decade? Fuck that.
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ROD posted...

I love how when it comes to individual people, CE and society in general is cruel as fuck ("personal accountability!", "be fit to survive!", "bootstraps!", "pull your own weight!") but when it is about billionaire corporations people suddenly acre about their "feelings" and care about their "thin margins" and losing even an inch of profitability, literally corporate wellfare mentality.

They will literally just pass the cost onto the consumer. The reason why overbooking is a protected policy is because airlines were able to successfully argue that it was necessary. The reason why people have to be compensated when bumped is the compromise. Flight is not a right, nor should it be. Your need to be at a certain place, and you paid for a ticket, but you are not guaranteed to be there at a certain time and the inconvenience to you is relatively low, and you are compensated for your trouble. I think that is an entirely fair compromise, and the macro matters much more than the micro.

Basically, I would rather people get get bumped than have my tickets be more expensive. Because the incidence rate is really low, and even when it does happen, there is often someone to volunteer, I have don't particularly care.

If they could stop overbooking with no negative repercussions to the industry's survival and the customers, I'd happy to have them stop. Airlines do not WANT to overbook flights, and they don't do it in order to make more money than they should. It's one of the few corporation practices that has no real malice behind it.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Do you think fundamental changes to our society is comparable to airline booking practices?
Also, nuclear is greener than hydro.

Yes yes it is comparable. Also LMAO at the idiocy of suggesting nuclear meltdown is greener than hydro.

Get a grasp on the matter, kid.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

you're proposing thousands of empty seats a year to avoid some jackass getting hit every decade? f*** that.

Who are you to decide who the jackass is and why does a ticket payer deserves to be hit?

Also I like how you changed subject to "empty seats" like if I would care about that.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

f suggesting nuclear meltdown

Shut the fuck up troll.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Kim Kusanagi posted...

f suggesting nuclear meltdown

Shut the fuck up troll.

and you just went full nuclear. LMAO.
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I Like Toast posted...

Common sense is to get your employees where they need to be so you don't get more delays.

Im with you. Inconveniencing one person is much better than the 250 people waiting on the next flight.

Common sense is also don't bump a doctor and don't cause physical trauma if you can't get a volunteer

I mean no. First off unless he's a super specialist surgeon he doesn't need to be on that flight. He can reschedule appointments or patients can see another doctor. I'd much rather bump a doctor than some hourly employee that might lose their job due to the delay.

As far as they physical trauma if they were doing their best to remove him I'm fine with it. It's hard to move someone who's struggling. If he hit his face on accident I have no sympathy. If they hit him on purpose they're scum.
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Has anyone Harambefied the United video yet?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

MrDrMan posted...

All of the above. How is it the Customer's fault United overbooked?

I already said the system isn't transparent enough. If no one wants to take the payout they're required to give, the airline gets to make an executive decision. It's their fucking jet, get the fuck off it when they say. If you believe you're owed restitution, that's a civil matter to later be resolved.

By the time you're in the seat you should be guaranteed a flight.

I agree but we're already at the point that requires fundamental changes, prior to this event, this wasn't a guarantee, now, it seems like their policy is changing.

If they want you to give the seat up they should have given a more fair credit.

To what end? Let's not assume that there is a fair credit that also satisfies their profit motive. If no one wants to take what makes economic sense, they're going to have to throw someone off. You can't just give away the house every time you over book.

Are you trolling?

It's not customers fault for overbooking. United Airlines profit isn't the customers issue.

If the issue is due to the airline, which overbooking is, customers shouldn't be penalized. Just think about what you're saying. This man was physically injured due to an issue created by the airline. It's 100% the fault of United Airlines.
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