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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 10:00:55 AM #1: |
A Dallas man shot at a man following an altercation, but accidentally hit and killed his girlfriend, police said. The incident happened about 3:50 a.m. Sunday at the Tiger Cabaret Club, in Dallas
Aldo Saucedo, 19, was arguing with a man inside the establishment before he exited and drove his car up to the front entrance. That's when a man approached Saucedo and punched him, according to an affidavit obtained by the Dallas Morning News. Saucedo then retrieved a gun from his car and began shooting at the man. Instead he accidentally shot and killed his girlfriend, 18-year-old Natalie Tavares. He also shot one unidentified person who was transported to a nearby hospital with a non-life-threatening injury. Police found Tavares lying next to a vehicle. They determined she was not the intended victim. The two reportedly have a child together. "How can you not know what you're doing ... and shoot the mother of your child?" a friend of Tavares' family Dezarai Trevino said. He faces charges of murder and aggravated assault. Full Article: http://www.wcvb.com/article/suspect-aims-at-man-but-accidentally-shoots-kills-girlfriend-at-strip-club/9908103 Why murder and not manslaughter? And that poor kid :/ --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mikablu 05/23/17 10:01:40 AM #2: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Why murder and not manslaughter? Because he was trying to commit murder. He just killed the wrong person. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlternativeFAQS 05/23/17 10:02:18 AM #3: |
cant really be called with a stache like that
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 10:02:30 AM #4: |
Mikablu posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...Why murder and not manslaughter? Then surely attempted murder and manslaughter as seperate crimes? I would have thought. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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weapon_d00d816 05/23/17 10:02:34 AM #5: |
How did he get a girlfriend looking like that?
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_Kowalski_ 05/23/17 10:02:36 AM #6: |
This is a story that happens time and time again. A friend of mine from jr high went to jail after accidentally poppping his baby momma.
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Mikablu 05/23/17 10:02:59 AM #7: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Mikablu posted...UnfairRepresent posted...Why murder and not manslaughter? That would make more sense, yes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KillerSlaw 05/23/17 10:06:57 AM #8: |
Sad
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AugustAdoulin 05/23/17 10:06:57 AM #9: |
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 10:11:51 AM #10: |
Guy shot 2 people including his girlfriend and CE is more interested in his hair and earrings
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anth0ny 05/23/17 10:12:35 AM #11: |
AugustAdoulin posted...
That bowl cut is more than enough reason to lock him up. def didn't help --- moo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 05/23/17 10:16:55 AM #12: |
yeah i am super confused as to why he's being charged with first degree murder
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 10:26:25 AM #14: |
fenderbender321 posted...
if he was willing to fire a gun over an argument in the first place. He was attacked --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twinmold 05/23/17 11:08:41 AM #15: |
Throw the book at him.
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MACisBack 05/23/17 11:09:59 AM #16: |
AugustAdoulin posted...
That bowl cut is more than enough reason to lock him up. I tried to be serious, but this made me lose it, lmfao. --- "There is wife assisted suicide. Get married and every day you die a little more" -teltec http://i.imgur.com/8snn2TX.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChromaticAngel 05/23/17 11:11:18 AM #17: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
fenderbender321 posted...if he was willing to fire a gun over an argument in the first place. He was punched, walked out to his car, got a gun, walked back, and started shooting. I'm not sure what to call that other than premeditated murder. It's certainly not self defense. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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modena 05/23/17 11:12:30 AM #18: |
Wow...I read this topic and thought "sounds like Dallas again"
There was a shooting at that same club the last time I was around there >.> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOOMFalse 05/23/17 11:13:07 AM #19: |
Dobby will never be a free elf again
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scar the 1 05/23/17 11:13:53 AM #20: |
Darkman124 posted...
yeah i am super confused as to why he's being charged with first degree murder I don't know how they can spin it but he deliberately shot with the intent to kill. I dunno if that's enough for first degree, but manslaughter seems weak. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 11:15:07 AM #21: |
ChromaticAngel posted...
Aldo Saucedo, 19, was arguing with a man inside the establishment before he exited and drove his car up to the front entrance. That's when a man approached Saucedo and punched him, --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkChozoGhost 05/23/17 11:16:45 AM #22: |
He looks like the kind of guy that would have a kid with a stripper
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Anime_Killer17 05/23/17 11:24:18 AM #23: |
Makes me wonder the exact wording of the definition of murder. I assume the way they approached it is that the man intended to kill the other person, but even though he ended up killing the wrong person by mistake, there was still murderous intent and a victim.
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Sativa_Rose 05/23/17 11:25:01 AM #24: |
I bet this guy had no clue how to properly use the weapon
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Monolith1676 05/23/17 11:27:08 AM #25: |
Anime_Killer17 posted...
Makes me wonder the exact wording of the definition of murder. I assume the way they approached it is that the man intended to kill the other person, but even though he ended up killing the wrong person by mistake, there was still murderous intent and a victim. Felony murder rule. His intent was to kill the guy, but he killed his gf instead. The intent then transfers to the victim. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 11:28:37 AM #26: |
DarkChozoGhost posted...
He looks like the kind of guy that would have a kid with a stripper I don't think his girl was a stripper --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 11:29:18 AM #27: |
Monolith1676 posted...
That doesn't make sense doe. He didn't murder her --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 05/23/17 11:29:22 AM #28: |
Well, that will happen.
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Twinmold 05/23/17 11:34:44 AM #29: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Monolith1676 posted... Is your whole shtick being an obnoxious contrarian? I can't imagine that makes you a very popular person. --- Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkChozoGhost 05/23/17 11:35:42 AM #30: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...He looks like the kind of guy that would have a kid with a stripper I do. It would fill in a lot of gaps in the story. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 11:36:30 AM #31: |
I think popular opinion would agree that accidentially killing someone by mistake is not murder.
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thronedfire2 05/23/17 11:38:24 AM #32: |
Good guy with a gun
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badwinkles 05/23/17 11:38:38 AM #33: |
if she was dating that retard, she deserved it. AND he's going to jail?? Win Win
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thronedfire2 05/23/17 11:38:59 AM #34: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
I think popular opinion would agree that accidentially killing someone by mistake is not murder. But he intended to kill someone, it just happened to be the wrong person who died --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 11:43:25 AM #35: |
DarkChozoGhost posted...
I suspect if she was an employee at the strip club where she was killed it would come up A LOT in the story and the legal case. Literally no where is mentioning it. I find it unlikely. This is their kid BTW: --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 11:44:00 AM #36: |
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Monolith1676 05/23/17 11:44:29 AM #37: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Monolith1676 posted... It is called transfered intent. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 11:45:48 AM #39: |
Monolith1676 posted...
Grand, still doesn't make sense to me. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Monolith1676 05/23/17 11:46:32 AM #40: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Monolith1676 posted... That seems to be a common theme for you. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mormaurd 05/23/17 12:00:21 PM #41: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Monolith1676 posted... Barebones version: If you're commiting a crime and anyone dies as a result of that crime, you're charged with 1st degree murder since you're technically responsible for their death. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Butterfiles 05/23/17 12:02:41 PM #42: |
Twinmold posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...Monolith1676 posted... If only you knew man --- http://www.last.fm/user/PigBun 56k warning ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/23/17 12:03:16 PM #43: |
Mormaurd posted...
Yes I get the picture The picture is just of mixed nuts and batshit. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChromaticAngel 05/23/17 10:39:00 PM #44: |
Twinmold posted...
Is your whole shtick being an obnoxious contrarian? That's correct. If he were to say something, and you posted that you agreed, he would argue with you. Twinmold posted... I can't imagine that makes you a very popular person. It doesn't. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChromaticAngel 05/23/17 10:41:06 PM #45: |
Anime_Killer17 posted...
Makes me wonder the exact wording of the definition of murder. I assume the way they approached it is that the man intended to kill the other person, but even though he ended up killing the wrong person by mistake, there was still murderous intent and a victim. Murder is when you intend to kill someone. Someone doesn't have to be specific. If I spray bullets into a room and kill a bunch of people, trying to argue I should get 10 counts of manslaughter because I "only actually wanted to kill the bartender" doesn't fucking work. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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alexander37 05/23/17 10:49:52 PM #47: |
RIP Man Shoots and the teenage girlfriend 97 guns
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Darmik 05/23/17 10:52:21 PM #48: |
So if a random person poisoned random drinks and told people they were attempting to kill the President they should be charged for manslaughter? lol
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Dragonblade01 05/23/17 10:55:27 PM #49: |
Seems like felony murder rule to me. If it helps, just consider such a situation to be a separate part of the definition of first degree murder.
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Tappor 05/23/17 10:57:52 PM #50: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Alfredo Saucedo --- Moist ... Copied to Clipboard!
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