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AmericaTheBrave 06/29/17 7:38:01 PM #1:	topic --- http://i.imgur.com/loj3Iz4.jpg <cite>AmericaTheBrave posted [p:882054686] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 06/29/17 7:38:39 PM #2:	Because LIBERALS --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:882054729] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>Because LIBERALS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/29/17 7:42:38 PM #3:	http://www.rubbercat.net/artduck/artduck03.gif --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:882054969] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>http://www.rubbercat.net/artduck/artduck03.gif</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmericaTheBrave 06/30/17 12:44:24 PM #4:	bump --- http://i.imgur.com/loj3Iz4.jpg <cite>AmericaTheBrave posted [p:882092630] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/30/17 12:48:21 PM #5:	I suppose it depends on how you define opposing diversity. For example, I could come up with some complaints about making Superman a black woman, but have no problem with having a movie about a black female superhero. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:882092857] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>I suppose it depends on how you define opposing diversity. For example, I could come up with some complaints about making Superman a black woman, but have no problem with having a movie about a black female superhero.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/30/17 12:54:15 PM #6:	Tokens for the sake of tokens is incredibly obvious. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:882093171] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>Tokens for the sake of tokens is incredibly obvious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 06/30/17 12:55:16 PM #7:	Questionmarktarius posted... Tokens for the sake of tokens is incredibly obvious. Better than no tokens at all --- Alaph beat Tidal22 easily in maximum handicap mode. <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:882093224] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Tokens for the sake of tokens is incredibly obvious.</quote> Better than no tokens at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrollSlayer11 06/30/17 12:55:43 PM #8:	Questionmarktarius posted... Tokens for the sake of tokens is incredibly obvious. This. Just because I'm black doesn't mean I need to be pandered to, or worse, showcased like an animal at the zoo. "Hey we got a negro boy here! Right here! This is what you want right!" --- Sunglasses and advil <cite>TrollSlayer11 posted [p:882093250] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Tokens for the sake of tokens is incredibly obvious.</quote> This. Just because I'm black doesn't mean I need to be pandered to, or worse, showcased like an animal at the zoo. "Hey we got a negro boy here! Right here! This is what you want right!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProbablySkye 06/30/17 12:58:56 PM #9:	I don't see why people would be against it at all honestly <cite>ProbablySkye posted [p:882093408] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>I don't see why people would be against it at all honestly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nzxt_Assassin 06/30/17 1:22:26 PM #10:	ProbablySkye posted... I don't see why people would be against it at all honestly I'm Asian, and I could genuinely careless about diversity in media. I don't need to see other asian people do something before I want to do it myself. I can love characters that aren't my race or similar to me. I don't want to get invested in a character only for them to be replaced by a gay asian autist for no other reason than being "progressive" --- No, MORE mutants! <cite>Nzxt_Assassin posted [p:882094785] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>ProbablySkye posted...</cite> <quote>I don't see why people would be against it at all honestly</quote> I'm Asian, and I could genuinely careless about diversity in media. I don't need to see other asian people do something before I want to do it myself. I can love characters that aren't my race or similar to me. I don't want to get invested in a character only for them to be replaced by a gay asian autist for no other reason than being "progressive"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheFireRises 06/30/17 1:23:21 PM #11:	Because "generic minority character who's a sterotype" is stupid. Either give them a personality or don't make them in your token "hey look, we know non-whites exist! Look, he's talking in a way we think you'll appreciate!" --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36odfqA-Xqw <cite>TheFireRises posted [p:882094835] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>Because "generic minority character who's a sterotype" is stupid. Either give them a personality or don't make them in your token "hey look, we know non-whites exist! Look, he's talking in a way we think you'll appreciate!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MetalGearSquid 06/30/17 1:28:05 PM #12:	It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist --- I <3 boobs <cite>MetalGearSquid posted [p:882095056] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 06/30/17 1:33:21 PM #13:	MetalGearSquid posted... It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist Is that more belittling than not including them at all? Pretending we dont exist? Sure, some of it now is "pandering." But at least having more diverse faces now is starting to normalize it and it will become more organic --- Alaph beat Tidal22 easily in maximum handicap mode. <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:882095336] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>MetalGearSquid posted...</cite> <quote>It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist</quote> Is that more belittling than not including them at all? Pretending we dont exist? Sure, some of it now is "pandering." But at least having more diverse faces now is starting to normalize it and it will become more organic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrollSlayer11 06/30/17 1:35:33 PM #14:	Zodd3224 posted... MetalGearSquid posted... It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist Pretending we dont exist? Unlike most liberal minorities, I don't constantly require the validation and attention of white people. I don't need to beg white daddy for "muh representation! please validate my existence!". I hate minorities who act like the best thing since MLK Jr and Malcolm X is some white Hollywood executive making a black side character. --- Sunglasses and advil <cite>TrollSlayer11 posted [p:882095471] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MetalGearSquid posted...</cite> <quote>It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist</quote> Pretending we dont exist? </quote> Unlike most liberal minorities, I don't constantly require the validation and attention of white people. I don't need to beg white daddy for "muh representation! please validate my existence!". I hate minorities who act like the best thing since MLK Jr and Malcolm X is some white Hollywood executive making a black side character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 06/30/17 1:39:53 PM #15:	DevsBro posted... I suppose it depends on how you define opposing diversity. For example, I could come up with some complaints about making Superman a black woman, but have no problem with having a movie about a black female superhero. I'm opposed to changing iconic heroes' race for diversity sake. But I am in favor of giving more time to established colored characters. I wouldn't like them to change Superman/Clark Kent into a black man (except for, I guess, Calvin Ellis who's basically alternate universe Super Obama). But I was cool with John Stewart as Green Lantern in JLU and I like seeing Cybrog get more page-time in the comics. I'd also like to see characters like Mr. Terrific and Vixen get more screen time. I am, however, okay with colored taking up mantles that originally belong to white characters. I'm fine with Sam Wilson taking over as Captain America when Steve Rogers is sidelined or Miles Morales taking over as Spiderman when Peter Parker isn't around. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:882095703] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>I suppose it depends on how you define opposing diversity. For example, I could come up with some complaints about making Superman a black woman, but have no problem with having a movie about a black female superhero.</quote> I'm opposed to changing iconic heroes' race for diversity sake. But I am in favor of giving more time to established colored characters. I wouldn't like them to change Superman/Clark Kent into a black man (except for, I guess, Calvin Ellis who's basically alternate universe Super Obama). But I was cool with John Stewart as Green Lantern in JLU and I like seeing Cybrog get more page-time in the comics. I'd also like to see characters like Mr. Terrific and Vixen get more screen time. I am, however, okay with colored taking up mantles that originally belong to white characters. I'm fine with Sam Wilson taking over as Captain America when Steve Rogers is sidelined or Miles Morales taking over as Spiderman when Peter Parker isn't around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 06/30/17 1:40:46 PM #16:	TrollSlayer11 posted... Zodd3224 posted... MetalGearSquid posted... It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist Pretending we dont exist? Unlike most liberal minorities, I don't constantly require the validation and attention of white people. I don't need to beg white daddy for "muh representation! please validate my existence!". I hate minorities who act like the best thing since MLK Jr and Malcolm X is some white Hollywood executive making a black side character. In what way is wanting to see more characters like me in games I play craving attentoom and validation of white people? --- Alaph beat Tidal22 easily in maximum handicap mode. <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:882095751] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrollSlayer11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MetalGearSquid posted...</cite> <quote>It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist</quote> Pretending we dont exist? </quote> Unlike most liberal minorities, I don't constantly require the validation and attention of white people. I don't need to beg white daddy for "muh representation! please validate my existence!". I hate minorities who act like the best thing since MLK Jr and Malcolm X is some white Hollywood executive making a black side character.</quote> In what way is wanting to see more characters like me in games I play craving attentoom and validation of white people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/30/17 1:40:46 PM #17:	there are no non-racist reasons to be against diversity it's easy for characters outside of the writer's experience (e.g. a straight man creating a character who's gay) to be written poorly, but really that's an indication that diversity is also needed among writers also, there are diversity consultants that you can pay to look over your work and make sure your characters are good, so there's really no excuse --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:882095752] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>there are no non-racist reasons to be against diversity it's easy for characters outside of the writer's experience (e.g. a straight man creating a character who's gay) to be written poorly, but really that's an indication that diversity is also needed among writers also, there are diversity consultants that you can pay to look over your work and make sure your characters are good, so there's really no excuse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 06/30/17 1:41:51 PM #18:	Diversity depicted in movies/ads/television is fine. It should be accurate and realistic though, and currently, it's mostly fantasy. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:882095814] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>Diversity depicted in movies/ads/television is fine. It should be accurate and realistic though, and currently, it's mostly fantasy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 06/30/17 1:44:24 PM #19:	only situation i can think of is when the diversity is really transparent and just being used to check off a requirement on list (i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people) --- A Green Butter Alt(TM) http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:882095951] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>only situation i can think of is when the diversity is really transparent and just being used to check off a requirement on list (i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/30/17 1:46:20 PM #20:	The idea that pushing diversity means promoting lesser qualified people over qualified ones. Would it really bother you if all the firemen pulling your daughter out of a blaze were black men? Or do you want less capable men and women to do it just to have 1 white guy, one black guy, one Chinese girl, one gay Muslims, one Indian in a wheelchair. Another idea is which is less clear cut is when you question what "Diversity" means. For example a lot of people complain that Hollywood movie roles don't fall in line equally with population figures. But that's stupid to me, because it's not taking into account what Hollywood movies are. So for example if they did another movie about the Normany Landing, should they insert gay lesbian Chinese women into the mix just because there are no lesbian Chinese women in Hollywood? But if you mean just the general idea of "It's cool to have a mix of people." as a thought experiment, then no it's pretty hard to find a valid reason to hate on it aside from predjudice. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:882096068] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>The idea that pushing diversity means promoting lesser qualified people over qualified ones. Would it really bother you if all the firemen pulling your daughter out of a blaze were black men? Or do you want less capable men and women to do it just to have 1 white guy, one black guy, one Chinese girl, one gay Muslims, one Indian in a wheelchair. Another idea is which is less clear cut is when you question what "Diversity" means. For example a lot of people complain that Hollywood movie roles don't fall in line equally with population figures. But that's stupid to me, because it's not taking into account what Hollywood movies are. So for example if they did another movie about the Normany Landing, should they insert gay lesbian Chinese women into the mix just because there are no lesbian Chinese women in Hollywood? But if you mean just the general idea of "It's cool to have a mix of people." as a thought experiment, then no it's pretty hard to find a valid reason to hate on it aside from predjudice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 06/30/17 1:47:13 PM #21:	how can you "tell" when its pandering? People seem to accuse all sorts of characters of being pandering. what if the best person for the acting job happens to be a [whatever race] character. why not hire them? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:882096110] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>how can you "tell" when its pandering? People seem to accuse all sorts of characters of being pandering. what if the best person for the acting job happens to be a [whatever race] character. why not hire them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 06/30/17 1:48:10 PM #22:	All that bugs me is when they change a white character into a minority for no reason. It's only ever done forone of two reasons: first is when they do it to get attention, like in the case of having a black James Bond just for the hell of it. This is clearly a case of exploiting an actor's race for attention, and for the life of me I can't understand why such a thing would be celebrated. Second is when they "want more diversity", like how the current Avengers lineup is a checklist of every sort of person that isnt a straight white male. The problem with this is that they require a minorty character to ride the coattails of a straight white guy in order for anyone to give a shit about them. It's a tacit admission on the part of the creators that they can't get anyone to care about the new asian kid on his own merits. They need to make him the Hulk because they know the character isn't good enough to sell their own book. But in the minds of the public, Bruce Banner is still the Hulk, and he. always. will. be. If creators want to spread diversity by creating new and exciting concepts that feature minorities, that's wonderful. But by doing either of the above examples they're just exploiting minorities, not embracing them. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:882096159] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>All that bugs me is when they change a white character into a minority for no reason. It's only ever done forone of two reasons: first is when they do it to get attention, like in the case of having a black James Bond just for the hell of it. This is clearly a case of exploiting an actor's race for attention, and for the life of me I can't understand why such a thing would be celebrated. Second is when they "want more diversity", like how the current Avengers lineup is a checklist of every sort of person that isnt a straight white male. The problem with this is that they require a minorty character to ride the coattails of a straight white guy in order for anyone to give a shit about them. It's a tacit admission on the part of the creators that they can't get anyone to care about the new asian kid on his own merits. They need to make him the Hulk because they know the character isn't good enough to sell their own book. But in the minds of the public, Bruce Banner is still the Hulk, and he. always. will. be. If creators want to spread diversity by creating new and exciting concepts that feature minorities, that's wonderful. But by doing either of the above examples they're just exploiting minorities, not embracing them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 06/30/17 1:49:16 PM #23:	Romulox28 posted... only situation i can think of is when the diversity is really transparent and just being used to check off a requirement on list (i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people) Why does there need to be a REASON for a character to not be a straight white male? Why is straight white male default, and any change to that archetype have to be thoroughly explained or its "pandering" or "checking a box?" --- Alaph beat Tidal22 easily in maximum handicap mode. <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:882096206] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>only situation i can think of is when the diversity is really transparent and just being used to check off a requirement on list (i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people)</quote> Why does there need to be a REASON for a character to not be a straight white male? Why is straight white male default, and any change to that archetype have to be thoroughly explained or its "pandering" or "checking a box?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheFireRises 06/30/17 1:49:34 PM #24:	Mal_Fet posted... new asian kid >appeared in 2005 >new --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36odfqA-Xqw <cite>TheFireRises posted [p:882096226] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> new asian kid</quote> >appeared in 2005 >new</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 06/30/17 1:52:13 PM #25:	TheFireRises posted... Mal_Fet posted... new asian kid >appeared in 2005 >new New compared to Bruce. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:882096378] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheFireRises posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> new asian kid</quote> >appeared in 2005 >new</quote> New compared to Bruce.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 06/30/17 1:55:36 PM #26:	UnfairRepresent posted... The idea that pushing diversity means promoting lesser qualified people over qualified ones. Would it really bother you if all the firemen pulling your daughter out of a blaze were black men? Or do you want less capable men and women to do it just to have 1 white guy, one black guy, one Chinese girl, one gay Muslims, one Indian in a wheelchair. Another idea is which is less clear cut is when you question what "Diversity" means. For example a lot of people complain that Hollywood movie roles don't fall in line equally with population figures. But that's stupid to me, because it's not taking into account what Hollywood movies are. So for example if they did another movie about the Normany Landing, should they insert gay lesbian Chinese women into the mix just because there are no lesbian Chinese women in Hollywood? But if you mean just the general idea of "It's cool to have a mix of people." as a thought experiment, then no it's pretty hard to find a valid reason to hate on it aside from predjudice. All this, except for one thing - Hollywood movies DO line up with American racial representation. Look at the graph showing the racial breakdown of movie characters, and compare it to American census data. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:882096568] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>The idea that pushing diversity means promoting lesser qualified people over qualified ones. Would it really bother you if all the firemen pulling your daughter out of a blaze were black men? Or do you want less capable men and women to do it just to have 1 white guy, one black guy, one Chinese girl, one gay Muslims, one Indian in a wheelchair. Another idea is which is less clear cut is when you question what "Diversity" means. For example a lot of people complain that Hollywood movie roles don't fall in line equally with population figures. But that's stupid to me, because it's not taking into account what Hollywood movies are. So for example if they did another movie about the Normany Landing, should they insert gay lesbian Chinese women into the mix just because there are no lesbian Chinese women in Hollywood? But if you mean just the general idea of "It's cool to have a mix of people." as a thought experiment, then no it's pretty hard to find a valid reason to hate on it aside from predjudice.</quote> All this, except for one thing - Hollywood movies DO line up with American racial representation. Look at the graph showing the racial breakdown of movie characters, and compare it to American census data.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrollSlayer11 06/30/17 1:56:05 PM #27:	averagejoel posted... there are no non-racist reasons to be against diversity it's easy for characters outside of the writer's experience (e.g. a straight man creating a character who's gay) to be written poorly, but really that's an indication that diversity is also needed among writers Right because all characters written by the same demographic are all good, perfectly written characters. Jesus Christ how stupid have people become? also, there are diversity consultants that you can pay to look over your work and make sure your characters are good, so there's really no excuse huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke. --- Sunglasses and advil <cite>TrollSlayer11 posted [p:882096589] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>there are no non-racist reasons to be against diversity it's easy for characters outside of the writer's experience (e.g. a straight man creating a character who's gay) to be written poorly, but really that's an indication that diversity is also needed among writers</quote> Right because all characters written by the same demographic are all good, perfectly written characters. Jesus Christ how stupid have people become? <quote>also, there are diversity consultants that you can pay to look over your work and make sure your characters are good, so there's really no excuse</quote> huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/30/17 1:56:09 PM #28:	Romulox28 posted... (i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people) This...isn't really true, though. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:882096594] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>(i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people)</quote> This...isn't really true, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 06/30/17 1:56:46 PM #29:	Zodd3224 posted... Romulox28 posted... only situation i can think of is when the diversity is really transparent and just being used to check off a requirement on list (i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people) Why does there need to be a REASON for a character to not be a straight white male? Why is straight white male default, and any change to that archetype have to be thoroughly explained or its "pandering" or "checking a box?" If people stopped making a big deal about'representation' in media, there wouldn't need to be. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:882096625] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>only situation i can think of is when the diversity is really transparent and just being used to check off a requirement on list (i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people)</quote> Why does there need to be a REASON for a character to not be a straight white male? Why is straight white male default, and any change to that archetype have to be thoroughly explained or its "pandering" or "checking a box?"</quote> If people stopped making a big deal about'representation' in media, there wouldn't need to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/30/17 1:58:55 PM #30:	TrollSlayer11 posted... huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke. That doesn't bother me really. I mean if Joss Whedon was doing a movie about Native Americans it might not be a bad idea to actually TALK to one first before you start writing stuff. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:882096742] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrollSlayer11 posted...</cite> <quote> huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke.</quote> That doesn't bother me really. I mean if Joss Whedon was doing a movie about Native Americans it might not be a bad idea to actually TALK to one first before you start writing stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 06/30/17 2:00:22 PM #31:	darkjedilink posted... Zodd3224 posted... Romulox28 posted... only situation i can think of is when the diversity is really transparent and just being used to check off a requirement on list (i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people) Why does there need to be a REASON for a character to not be a straight white male? Why is straight white male default, and any change to that archetype have to be thoroughly explained or its "pandering" or "checking a box?" If people stopped making a big deal about'representation' in media, there wouldn't need to be. Right, of course, that's the only reason... --- Alaph beat Tidal22 easily in maximum handicap mode. <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:882096817] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>only situation i can think of is when the diversity is really transparent and just being used to check off a requirement on list (i.e. how there's always a black best friend in a sitcom starring white people)</quote> Why does there need to be a REASON for a character to not be a straight white male? Why is straight white male default, and any change to that archetype have to be thoroughly explained or its "pandering" or "checking a box?"</quote> If people stopped making a big deal about'representation' in media, there wouldn't need to be.</quote> Right, of course, that's the only reason...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 06/30/17 2:01:10 PM #32:	It's never really bothered me one way or another. Because I don't self insert or can only relate to a character that is the same gender, race and/or sexuality as me. But if we don't make a big deal out one or more of these aspects, then characters won't be created around these small aspects? If you don't define yourself by one of those three things, then why would you want characters defined by one of those things? I don't know what the answer is because not all people look at fiction like I do. But much like partisan politics neither side wants budge, and so we just end up with a stalemate where diversity is stagnant. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:882096867] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>It's never really bothered me one way or another. Because I don't self insert or can only relate to a character that is the same gender, race and/or sexuality as me. But if we don't make a big deal out one or more of these aspects, then characters won't be created around these small aspects? If you don't define yourself by one of those three things, then why would you want characters defined by one of those things? I don't know what the answer is because not all people look at fiction like I do. But much like partisan politics neither side wants budge, and so we just end up with a stalemate where diversity is stagnant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/30/17 2:02:53 PM #33:	TrollSlayer11 posted... Right because all characters written by the same demographic are all good, perfectly written characters. Jesus Christ how stupid have people become? I never said that. don't pretend I did huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke. grown adults should recognize that diversity and social justice are good things http://www.academicinvest.com/business-careers/international-business-careers/how-to-become-a-diversity-consultant --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:882096969] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrollSlayer11 posted...</cite> <quote>Right because all characters written by the same demographic are all good, perfectly written characters. Jesus Christ how stupid have people become?</quote> I never said that. don't pretend I did <quote>huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke.</quote> grown adults should recognize that diversity and social justice are good things http://www.academicinvest.com/business-careers/international-business-careers/how-to-become-a-diversity-consultant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury 06/30/17 2:04:24 PM #34:	MetalGearSquid posted... It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist dot dot dot --- I'm a sex machine ready to reload... http://i.imgur.com/7GPFCqY.gifv http://i.imgur.com/bfxtwGf.jpg <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:882097059] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>MetalGearSquid posted...</cite> <quote>It belittles an entire demographic as a show pony to essentially complete a checklist</quote> dot dot dot</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrollSlayer11 06/30/17 2:04:43 PM #35:	UnfairRepresent posted... TrollSlayer11 posted... huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke. That doesn't bother me really. I mean if Joss Whedon was doing a movie about Native Americans it might not be a bad idea to actually TALK to one first before you start writing stuff. That's called basic film making though. Has nothing to do with "diversity consultants" and everything to do with proper research when you make a film. It's film making 101. averagejoel posted... TrollSlayer11 posted... Right because all characters written by the same demographic are all good, perfectly written characters. Jesus Christ how stupid have people become? I never said that. don't pretend I did huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke. grown adults should recognize that diversity and social justice are good things http://www.academicinvest.com/business-careers/international-business-careers/how-to-become-a-diversity-consultant I'm being trolled at this point --- Sunglasses and advil <cite>TrollSlayer11 posted [p:882097076] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrollSlayer11 posted...</cite> <quote> huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke.</quote> That doesn't bother me really. I mean if Joss Whedon was doing a movie about Native Americans it might not be a bad idea to actually TALK to one first before you start writing stuff.</quote> That's called basic film making though. Has nothing to do with "diversity consultants" and everything to do with proper research when you make a film. It's film making 101. <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrollSlayer11 posted...</cite> <quote>Right because all characters written by the same demographic are all good, perfectly written characters. Jesus Christ how stupid have people become?</quote> I never said that. don't pretend I did <quote>huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke.</quote> grown adults should recognize that diversity and social justice are good things http://www.academicinvest.com/business-careers/international-business-careers/how-to-become-a-diversity-consultant</quote> I'm being trolled at this point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/30/17 2:06:35 PM #36:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UVhGe7M4U&t=0s Although it's not really against diversity, it's against pc culture and hamfisted shit writing. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:882097174] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UVhGe7M4U&t=0s Although it's not really against diversity, it's against pc culture and hamfisted shit writing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 06/30/17 2:08:35 PM #37:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UVhGe7M4U&t=0s Although it's not really against diversity, it's against pc culture and hamfisted shit writing. Which are completely different issues --- Alaph beat Tidal22 easily in maximum handicap mode. <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:882097273] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UVhGe7M4U&t=0s Although it's not really against diversity, it's against pc culture and hamfisted shit writing.</quote> Which are completely different issues</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 06/30/17 2:12:06 PM #38:	UnfairRepresent posted... TrollSlayer11 posted... huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke. That doesn't bother me really. I mean if Joss Whedon was doing a movie about Native Americans it might not be a bad idea to actually TALK to one first before you start writing stuff. in Star Trek Voyager they had a Native American expert help with making some background for the character of Chakotay then it turned out later that the 'expert' had lied about all of his credentials --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:882097456] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrollSlayer11 posted...</cite> <quote> huh? Did a grown adult just use the term "diversity consultant" seriously in a sentence? Please someone tell me this is satire. This must be a joke. Also what criteria would a "good character" have? As long as they hit enough check boxes right? Someone tell me this is a goddamn joke.</quote> That doesn't bother me really. I mean if Joss Whedon was doing a movie about Native Americans it might not be a bad idea to actually TALK to one first before you start writing stuff.</quote> in Star Trek Voyager they had a Native American expert help with making some background for the character of Chakotay then it turned out later that the 'expert' had lied about all of his credentials</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/30/17 2:14:19 PM #39:	Zodd3224 posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UVhGe7M4U&t=0s Although it's not really against diversity, it's against pc culture and hamfisted shit writing. Which are completely different issues Oh I agree but it's not my side that characterizes all criticism and racist etc. I have no issues with nuance and thus no issues with diversity (settings dependent.) --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:882097592] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UVhGe7M4U&t=0s Although it's not really against diversity, it's against pc culture and hamfisted shit writing.</quote> Which are completely different issues</quote> Oh I agree but it's not my side that characterizes all criticism and racist etc. I have no issues with nuance and thus no issues with diversity (settings dependent.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 06/30/17 2:16:35 PM #40:	TrollSlayer11 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Tokens for the sake of tokens is incredibly obvious. This. Just because I'm black doesn't mean I need to be pandered to, or worse, showcased like an animal at the zoo. "Hey we got a negro boy here! Right here! This is what you want right!" It's sad but that's absolutely how it is. And according to my Facebook white people eat that shit up. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:882097719] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrollSlayer11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Tokens for the sake of tokens is incredibly obvious.</quote> This. Just because I'm black doesn't mean I need to be pandered to, or worse, showcased like an animal at the zoo. "Hey we got a negro boy here! Right here! This is what you want right!"</quote> It's sad but that's absolutely how it is. And according to my Facebook white people eat that shit up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/30/17 2:19:40 PM #41:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UVhGe7M4U&t=0s Although it's not really against diversity, it's against pc culture and hamfisted shit writing. God damn Star Trek Discovery looks awful v_V --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:882097888] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UVhGe7M4U&t=0s Although it's not really against diversity, it's against pc culture and hamfisted shit writing.</quote> God damn Star Trek Discovery looks awful v_V</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/30/17 3:33:02 PM #42:	TrollSlayer11 posted... That's called basic film making though. Has nothing to do with "diversity consultants" and everything to do with proper research when you make a film. It's film making 101. diversity consultants... are people who help that process --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:882101992] in What are s... [t:75514850]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrollSlayer11 posted...</cite> <quote>That's called basic film making though. Has nothing to do with "diversity consultants" and everything to do with proper research when you make a film. It's film making 101. </quote> diversity consultants... are people who help that process</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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