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voldothegr8
07/06/17 1:15:35 PM
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Is Cloud Davidson a gigantic cuck, or afraid of liberal violence against him and his family?


http://www.gazettetimes.com/albany/business/tiki-bar-stirs-up-cocktail-of-accusations/article_910fbb5c-afd9-51fc-bf85-4b22f8a04e64.html

A Corvallis restaurant owner is apologizing a week after opening up a Tiki bar downtown and being accused of cultural appropriation and insensitivity.

“I unintentionally made a mistake and I’m very sorry,” said Cloud Davidson, in an interview on Friday.

The Hapuna Kahuna Tiki Bar & Kitchen — until recently, the location was Cloud & Kelly’s Public House, an Irish pub — will close Sunday and reopen Sunday night as an extension of the Downward Dog, an adjacent bar that Davidson owns. Hapuna Kahuna started its short run on June 22.

Davidson said that residents of Polynesian ancestry, including those with the Oregon State University Asian and Pacific Cultural Center, complained about a combination of factors such as the use of a Hawaiian name, traditional iconography displayed in a cartoonish way, and how plastic leis were handed off to customers.

“I’m very sympathetic to the issues that were brought up to me. And I’m not for a moment going to tell a person of color that they’re wrong for how they feel,” Davidson said.

There also were grumbles, however, that Davidson wasn’t selling authentic Hawaiian fare.

In a Facebook post apology to the community in general, Davidson said he will remove the culturally significant items from the space, and reopen by 7:30 p.m. Sunday, when live music is scheduled to begin. The Downward Dog extension will continue to serve tropical drinks that were offered at the Tiki bar.

The controversy ended up spurring an interesting — and sometimes confusing — community discussion, Davidson acknowledged.

Some Hawaiians and other Polynesians liked the Tiki-themed bar and didn’t want him to change it, Davidson said.

A local Facebook forum also had numerous comments about the situation, including questions of whether it was appropriate for chefs to cook ethnic food that wasn’t from their ancestry, such as a Korean chef running a sushi joint, since the cuisine is Japanese; discussion on the origins of Tiki “culture” as an inauthentic fantasy mashup of tropical influences, and how there are Tiki bars in Hawaii; and comments on the evolution of Hawaiian cuisine to include items from numerous cultures, including those of Asian and Western countries.


This whole situation is just sad. At first I thought he was spineless as fuck for giving in that easy, but then I remembered this is the left and he probably received death threats.
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Solid Snake07
07/06/17 1:18:04 PM
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Why did no one bitch and cry about the Irish pub?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/06/17 1:18:15 PM
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People need to stop giving in to these fucking assholes.
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Solid Snake07
07/06/17 1:19:01 PM
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These people are the worst kind of stupid
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/06/17 1:19:07 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Why did no one bitch and cry about the Irish pub?


They don't care, recognize, or have double standards when it comes to "white cultures".
Something something colonialism.
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ThePrinceFish
07/06/17 1:19:36 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Why did no one bitch and cry about the Irish pub?

Irish people haven't been people of colour in some time.
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eston
07/06/17 1:20:43 PM
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It sounds to me like he was sympathetic to those who took issue with it, which I can not fault him for. At the same time it's kind of silly to expect authentic Hawaiian at a bar in Oregon.
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Bloodychess
07/06/17 1:22:16 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
People need to stop giving in to these fucking assholes.


It's in Oregon, I can't say I fault the owner
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voldothegr8
07/06/17 1:22:45 PM
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eston posted...
It sounds to me like he was sympathetic to those who took issue with it, which I can not fault him for.

Sounds like he owns many businesses around the area. If he didn't back down it was probably protest city against all of them. He has seen what these crazies can do to a business in his state.
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Ivynn
07/06/17 1:23:33 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
Why did no one bitch and cry about the Irish pub?


They don't care, recognize, or have double standards when it comes to "white cultures".
Something something colonialism.


You could argue the Irish were colonized tho.
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_Near_
07/06/17 1:23:58 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
I remembered this is the left and he probably received death threats.


Right. That's why there's 0 evidence of any threats.
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eston
07/06/17 1:24:04 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Why did no one bitch and cry about the Irish pub?

Maybe no one cared?
The article says it was "residents of Polynesian ancestry, including those with the Oregon State University Asian and Pacific Cultural Center" who complained, presumably because it's their culture
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eston
07/06/17 1:26:24 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
He has seen what these crazies can do in his state.

Can you give examples of things the crazies have done in his state?
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E32005
07/06/17 1:26:36 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Why did no one bitch and cry about the Irish pub?

Cuz white ppl
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OpheliaAdenade
07/06/17 1:27:41 PM
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why can't white people open restaurants/bars that don't "borrow" from another people's culture? :u
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_Near_
07/06/17 1:28:31 PM
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eston posted...

Can you give examples of things the crazies have done in his state?


Islamophobic Trump supporters stabbing and killing people in the train?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/06/17 1:28:49 PM
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eston posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
He has seen what these crazies can do in his state.

Can you give examples of things the crazies have done in his state?


Basically this exact thing happened before.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article153143034.html
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voldothegr8
07/06/17 1:28:54 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
_Near_ posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
I remembered this is the left and he probably received death threats.


Right. That's why there's 0 evidence of any threats.


Poor voldothegr8 has been going insane recently. This CNN thing seems to have pushed him into full alt-right "liberals are coming to get me!" crazy. Sad!

Character assassination, the go to weapon of the left.
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chill02
07/06/17 1:30:00 PM
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yeah, this is silly
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eston
07/06/17 1:30:40 PM
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_Near_ posted...
eston posted...

Can you give examples of things the crazies have done in his state?


Islamophobic Trump supporters stabbing and killing people in the train?

Was this done because a restaurant appropriated someone's culture?
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metralo
07/06/17 1:31:13 PM
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eston
07/06/17 1:32:44 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
eston posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
He has seen what these crazies can do in his state.

Can you give examples of things the crazies have done in his state?


Basically this exact thing happened before.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article153143034.html

That's the only other one I was aware of, and it did not seem to escalate beyond criticism and bad reviews. Not exactly crazy behavior
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_Near_
07/06/17 1:33:01 PM
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eston posted...

Was this done because a restaurant appropriated someone's culture?


Not that I know of. I think it was just pure racism and Islamophobia.
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ThePrinceFish
07/06/17 1:34:44 PM
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I'm just glad my favorite spaghetti restaurant in Southern California isn't in jeopardy of shutting down because Italians are angry that Mexicans kick ass at making spaghetti.
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E32005
07/06/17 1:35:51 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
I'm just glad my favorite spaghetti restaurant in Southern California isn't in jeopardy of shutting down because Italians are angry that Mexicans kick ass at making spaghetti.

My ass can make spaghetti
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ThePrinceFish
07/06/17 1:36:06 PM
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E32005 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
I'm just glad my favorite spaghetti restaurant in Southern California isn't in jeopardy of shutting down because Italians are angry that Mexicans kick ass at making spaghetti.

My ass can make spaghetti

I don't want your ass spaghetti
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E32005
07/06/17 1:37:01 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
E32005 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
I'm just glad my favorite spaghetti restaurant in Southern California isn't in jeopardy of shutting down because Italians are angry that Mexicans kick ass at making spaghetti.

My ass can make spaghetti

I don't want your ass spaghetti

You can't handle my assghetti
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Capn Circus
07/06/17 1:38:41 PM
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What a miserable area it must be to live. Always walking on egg shells.

"Wahhh that's racist" "Wahhh that's offensive"

High chance that bar owner was a Hillary supporter. No sympathy for him. He got what he voted for
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eston
07/06/17 1:38:47 PM
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Ivynn
07/06/17 1:39:26 PM
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eston posted...
Mom's assghetti


Hate when someone posts the joke I wanted to make. :(
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gatorsPENSbucs
07/06/17 1:40:16 PM
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How fucking dumb. That whole northwest area is ridiculous.
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DifferentialEquation
07/06/17 1:42:37 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
I'm just glad my favorite spaghetti restaurant in Southern California isn't in jeopardy of shutting down because Italians are angry that Mexicans kick ass at making spaghetti.


Of course it's not a problem. The left doesn't truly care about culture appropriation, they just use it an excuse to bitch at white people. A non-white person doing something like this would not be an issue for them.
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That_Happened
07/06/17 1:49:35 PM
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eston posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
eston posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
He has seen what these crazies can do in his state.

Can you give examples of things the crazies have done in his state?


Basically this exact thing happened before.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article153143034.html

That's the only other one I was aware of, and it did not seem to escalate beyond criticism and bad reviews. Not exactly crazy behavior

@Anarchy_Juiblex ? Your response?
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iPhone_7
07/06/17 1:52:02 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
A local Facebook forum also had numerous comments about the situation, including questions of whether it was appropriate for chefs to cook ethnic food that wasn’t from their ancestry, such as a Korean chef running a sushi joint, since the cuisine is Japanese; discussion on the origins of Tiki “culture” as an inauthentic fantasy mashup of tropical influences, and how there are Tiki bars in Hawaii; and comments on the evolution of Hawaiian cuisine to include items from numerous cultures, including those of Asian and Western countries.


I guess all those Latino cooks in Chinese Food restaurants should check their privilege.
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gatorsPENSbucs
07/06/17 2:01:53 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
I guess all those Latino cooks in Chinese Food restaurants should check their privilege.

You should check out northern Virginia, I'd say like 90% of the restaurants there have Spanish people doing the cooking.
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Esrac
07/06/17 2:07:48 PM
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If he chose to close it after complaints, that's up to him. I think he should've told them to fuck off though.
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eston
07/06/17 2:13:05 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
I guess all those Latino cooks in Chinese Food restaurants should check their privilege.

You should check out northern Virginia, I'd say like 90% of the restaurants there have Spanish people doing the cooking.

Same here in Florida. I don't really notice it at other types of restaurants except Mexican of course
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/06/17 2:31:21 PM
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That_Happened posted...
@Anarchy_Juiblex ? Your response?


I dunno, "crazy" is a pretty subjective word. Personally I think publishing a bitch fit article though your "alternate media" and starting a campaign to boycott a woman over tacos is crazy.

Or are you wanting to know if I have more examples? I don't fucking keep a library of this shit.
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That_Happened
07/06/17 3:22:53 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
That_Happened posted...
@Anarchy_Juiblex ? Your response?


I dunno, "crazy" is a pretty subjective word. Personally I think publishing a bitch fit article though your "alternate media" and starting a campaign to boycott a woman over tacos is crazy.

Or are you wanting to know if I have more examples? I don't fucking keep a library of this shit.


I was more asking if you realized your example was nothing at all like this one, and involved no crazy people.
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iron jojo
07/06/17 3:26:13 PM
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Unfortunate
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/06/17 3:28:30 PM
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That_Happened posted...
your example was nothing at all like this one


NOTHING like this one? Nothing? Wow that's just, ridiculous.
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That_Happened
07/06/17 3:37:11 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
That_Happened posted...
your example was nothing at all like this one


NOTHING like this one? Nothing? Wow that's just, ridiculous.


Situation 1: Guy opens Hawaiian restaurant that displays Hawaiian culture in a cartoonish way, and serves inauthentic food. Actual Hawaiians and Polynesians complain.

Situation 2: Two white women go to Mexico and steal recipes from women who did not want to give those recipes up. Then they come back and create a burrito stand and brag about the theft. At that point, the bad reviews start coming in from all kinds of people. They probably wouldn't have gotten the backlash had they kept that a secret.

Neither situation involved "crazies." Except for possibly the women peeking in the windows of every burrito place in Mexico.
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voldothegr8
07/06/17 3:39:48 PM
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That_Happened posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
That_Happened posted...
your example was nothing at all like this one


NOTHING like this one? Nothing? Wow that's just, ridiculous.


Situation 1: Guy opens Hawaiian restaurant that displays Hawaiian culture in a cartoonish way, and serves inauthentic food. Actual Hawaiians and Polynesians complain.

Situation 2: Two white women go to Mexico and steal recipes from women who did not want to give those recipes up. Then they come back and create a burrito stand and brag about the theft. At that point, the bad reviews start coming in from all kinds of people. They probably wouldn't have gotten the backlash had they kept that a secret.

Neither situation involved "crazies." Except for possibly the women peeking in the windows of every burrito place in Mexico.

In situation 2 you left out the part where the ladies received death threats. That's not crazy to you?
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Axiom
07/06/17 3:41:27 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Some Hawaiians and other Polynesians liked the Tiki-themed bar and didn’t want him to change it, Davidson said.

So not only was he not forced to do anything but some people actually supported it. It's hard to say what annoys me more the people that complained about it or the fact that he gave in to some random complaints
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That_Happened
07/06/17 3:41:35 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
That_Happened posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
That_Happened posted...
your example was nothing at all like this one


NOTHING like this one? Nothing? Wow that's just, ridiculous.


Situation 1: Guy opens Hawaiian restaurant that displays Hawaiian culture in a cartoonish way, and serves inauthentic food. Actual Hawaiians and Polynesians complain.

Situation 2: Two white women go to Mexico and steal recipes from women who did not want to give those recipes up. Then they come back and create a burrito stand and brag about the theft. At that point, the bad reviews start coming in from all kinds of people. They probably wouldn't have gotten the backlash had they kept that a secret.

Neither situation involved "crazies." Except for possibly the women peeking in the windows of every burrito place in Mexico.

In situation 2 you left out the part where the ladies received death threats. That's not crazy to you?


Ah. Then add the people who sent death threats as part of the "crazies." But the complaints about the origins of the restaurant were totally reasonable. Don't want to get run out of business? Don't brag about stealing your recipes.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/06/17 4:03:01 PM
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Learning recipes from travels =/= stealing ffs.
Her taco shop isn't in competition with Mexico. God fucking damn.
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