Current Events > Donald Trump haters are in a kind of hell and I pity them

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Their worst nightmare came true in Nov 2016 and to top it all off they're so deluded as to think Donald Trump is an idiot and his base are idiots so they're destined to keep losing

Sad really. if only they had the ability to circle back and learn from their mistakes they might have a chance in 2020. But they're making the same errors as always.
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On_The_Edge, get down from there!
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I've seen Trump do nothing to counter the claim that he's an idiot.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

I've seen Trump do nothing to counter the claim that he's an idiot.

His supporters haven't done anything to prove they aren't either
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Trump has already done more good for this country than Obama did in 8 years.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

I've seen Trump do nothing to counter the claim that he's an idiot.

yusiko posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

I've seen Trump do nothing to counter the claim that he's an idiot.

His supporters haven't done anything to prove they aren't either

This is what I mean. Do you guys want the guy out of the white house or not? Then stop fucking underestimating him and his base b/c you got your ass handed to you in the election. Have some humility and don't be living embodiments of the dunning kruger effect.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

It's topics like these that truly show how desperate the Trump cult is becoming

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Desperate for what?

Trump is president.


They have congress.

The Trump cult has won.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

On_The_Edge, get down from there!

I regret this username
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UnfairRepresent posted...

The Trump cult has won.

won what, exactly
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On_The_Edge posted...

Sad really. if only they had the ability to circle back and learn from their mistakes they might have a chance in 2020. But they're making the same errors as always.

Yep, point the finger at everyone and everything but themselves.
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On_The_Edge posted...

Then stop fucking underestimating him

why should I?
what has he done that should instill confidence?
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Darkman124 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

The Trump cult has won.

won what, exactly

The Presidency and US congress.

Which is what they wanted.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

On_The_Edge posted...

Then stop fucking underestimating him

why should I?
what has he done that should instill confidence?

Become president of the US despite half the nation hating him
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Phantom_Nook posted...

On_The_Edge posted...

Then stop fucking underestimating him

why should I?
what has he done that should instill confidence?

He won an election for the most important position in the world with no prior experience. That alone should give you pause. It doesn't happen by accident.

Honestly, idc what you do. Keep thinking he's an idiot, it works out for me. But it's just kind of pitiful.
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On_The_Edge posted...

He won an election for the most important position in the world with no prior experience. That alone should give you pause. It doesn't happen by accident.

Oh goodie, he won. What has he done since then?
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Bullet_Wing posted...

No... They don't have Congress first of all.

? yes they do.

Bullet_Wing posted...

They won the presidency, but the winning kind of stalled there.

"The allies won WW1 but the winning kind of stalled there."

Well yeah because the thing was over and they got what they wanted....

I don't get your point here.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

On_The_Edge posted...

He won an election for the most important position in the world with no prior experience. That alone should give you pause. It doesn't happen by accident.

Oh goodie, he won. What has he done since then?

I have no reason to make the case for Trump to you. If you think he's a moron who just stumbled his way into the white house because half the country is stupid, you're entitled to keep losing. It just makes you look really sad to anyone with a brain and some humility.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

On_The_Edge posted...

He won an election for the most important position in the world with no prior experience. That alone should give you pause. It doesn't happen by accident.

Oh goodie, he won. What has he done since then?

Largely traveled the world and played loads of golf.

Living the dream really.
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yes, please pity me while Trump keeps "winning."
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UnfairRepresent posted...

"The allies won WW1 but the winning kind of stalled there."

Well yeah because the thing was over and they got what they wanted....

I don't get your point here.

How'd that healthcare vote go?
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Phantom_Nook posted...

yes, please pity me while Trump keeps "winning."

When he's re-elected in 2020 because you had no capacity for self awareness I will
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whatever you say, bub.
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The point TC is making is that even if you believe Trump to be an idiot, you can't compete against him as if he is. Dismissing Trump and taking the Democrat's victory for granted is a major reason Trump ended up winning.

Now, given that Trump has actually been in office for the better part of a year, it may be reasonable to feel confident that he won't win a re-election. The country is turning on him pretty fast and he's drowning in scandals. Except...the same people telling us how much he's failing are the same people who told us he had no chance to begin with.

Not crying "FAKE NEWS!", but a grain of skepticism would be healthy for anyone who wants to vote Trump out in 2020. (Assuming one of his many scandals don't finally stick and get him booted out of office or retired). Even if everything in the news is completely and honestly reported, it may not be representative of what will actually happen. Treat your opponent as a legitimate threat and don't slack off just because you have a low opinion of them.
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We really can't say who did or didn't win until next year's midterms, if all the republicans who are against Trump get ousted by Trump supporting ones then they've truly won, the only thing for certain is that the democrats are only going to lose seats not gain. Trump supporters actually vote and are a dedicated bunch, democrats and liberals are too disorganized, busy rioting and making smug comedy bits to actually vote or actually reach answers to problems. being up on a high horse and acting smug about how you're not as dumb as a trump supporter only sates ego and offers no real solutions, why would anyone vote for that?

That Nazi rally that's happening this weekend? I bet you if something does go down the fault will lie with a liberal group like neo feminists, BLM or anfia or at the very least people will believe it to be the fault of those groups. After all, thanks to all the riots and protests liberals and their ideals are more associated and expected of violence then Nazis,who the last time were on public eye got punched in the face and assaulted.

Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm just cynical but I truly believe that America is going to be completely under control of the alt-right and Trump supporters for the next eight years and their awful ideals and corruption will be right in our faces but the hatred for liberals will make the public turn a blind and apathetic eye.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

"The allies won WW1 but the winning kind of stalled there."

Well yeah because the thing was over and they got what they wanted....

I don't get your point here.

How'd that healthcare vote go?

Pretty well.

It was one of the worst proposals of all time and still only lost by 1 vote.

Says it all right there.
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They suffer from Post-Traumatic Trump Disorder.

I'm with you, TC. It's a miserable way to live life. No one is going to look back in 30 years and think bitching about Trump 24/7 was a good use of their time. If anything, it might put their abysmal failure of a life at that point into perspective.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

"The allies won WW1 but the winning kind of stalled there."

Well yeah because the thing was over and they got what they wanted....

I don't get your point here.

How'd that healthcare vote go?

Pretty well.

It was one of the worst proposals of all time and still only lost by 1 vote.

Says it all right there.

That the vote they've been itching and begging for for 7 years still failed? Yeah, it does say an awful lot.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

That the vote they've been itching and begging for for 7 years still failed? Yeah, it does say an awful lot.

Yeah the Trump Administration is awful but that's not what you asked.

You asked why his supporters are desperate which is madness considering they won and are in power.

It's like saying the Empire from Star Wars is desperate because they're dumb-dumbs.

Yeah the Death Star is a dumb idea but the sheer fact they built it demonstrates how non desperate they are
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UnfairRepresent posted...

"The allies won WW1 but the winning kind of stalled there."

Well yeah because the thing was over and they got what they wanted....

If you want to continue the analogy, though, the League of Nations was toothless and inept, and the Treaty of Versailles wasn't harsh enough to prevent Germany from just doing the same thing again twenty years later. So there wasn't too much winning to be found there either.
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Half the nation didn't vote for him, more than half the nation disapproves of him. He is not an idiot, his most vehement followers are.

Everything he's doing right now is designed to attract idiots and make his family money
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The only thing that gives me comfort is that he's an idiot. A person who has his political views but actually knew how to do the job would be devastating. Thank God he'd rather play golf and tweet than run the nation.

He doesn't deserve respect or humility, he deserves the same kind of vitriol and hatred that he spews on a daily fucking basis.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

and the Treaty of Versailles wasn't harsh enough to prevent Germany from just doing the same thing again twenty years later.

You're joking right Ferdinand Foch?

The Treaty of Versailles was too harsh. That's what led to WW2. They pretty much solely blamed Germany for what was the stupidest most pointless war of all time for all concerned and crippled them.


Then acted surprised when that attitude backfired.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

and the Treaty of Versailles wasn't harsh enough to prevent Germany from just doing the same thing again twenty years later.

You're joking right Ferdinand Foch?

The Treaty of Versailles was too harsh. That's what led to WW2. They pretty much solely blamed Germany for what was the stupidest most pointless war of all time for all concerned and crippled them.


Then acted surprised when that attitude backfired.

The Weimar government intentionally crippled its own economy in an attempt to get out of paying reparations. The idea that the treaty was responsible for the German economic problems is widespread, but it's still just a misconception.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

That the vote they've been itching and begging for for 7 years still failed? Yeah, it does say an awful lot.

Yeah the Trump Administration is awful but that's not what you asked.

You asked why his supporters are desperate which is madness considering they won and are in power.

It's like saying the Empire from Star Wars is desperate because they're dumb-dumbs.

Yeah the Death Star is a dumb idea but the sheer fact they built it demonstrates how non desperate they are

They're in power and have managed to do little more than force Trump to sign a bill he didn't even want to. The winning sure is palpable.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

and the Treaty of Versailles wasn't harsh enough to prevent Germany from just doing the same thing again twenty years later.

You're joking right Ferdinand Foch?

The Treaty of Versailles was too harsh. That's what led to WW2. They pretty much solely blamed Germany for what was the stupidest most pointless war of all time for all concerned and crippled them.


Then acted surprised when that attitude backfired.

The Weimar government intentionally crippled its own economy in an attempt to get out of paying reparations. The idea that the treaty was responsible for the German economic problems is widespread, but it's still just a misconception.

OH please.

This is nonsense. "Sure the treaty was ridiclous and harsh but because it was ridiclous and harsh they tried to get out of it and therefore it should have been MORE ridiclous and MORE harsh!" is the logic of a rabid bunny biting a wolf.

WW1 wasn't like WW2. It wasn't as black and white. It was a whole bunch of imperalistic asshats itching for a fight for their own gain that got hilariously out of hand.

If anything it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire who were most to blamed followed by a whole round of "Well if you do that then I'll do this."

You think the end of WW1 should have been French/Russian/English occupation of Germany?

That would have been a Catastrophe
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The only only thing Trump winning did was speed up the process of a Republican winning in 2020. Had Hillary won, especially if it was close and those 3 states that were coin flips land the other way, I guarantee she loses to the establishment Republican in 2020, assuming Trump doesn't run again, probably Pence tbh.

But because Trump is so polarizing, I think the Democrats stand a far better chance in 2020 than they would have had Clinton won. It's hard to say prior to 2018 midterms if it'll last, but seeing the numbers for the special elections so far it's going to be close.

Trump, and other Republicans, won due to promising jobs back to the rust belt and people's anger with the ACA. If they don't deliver on those the swing voters will remember, period
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UnfairRepresent posted...

This is nonsense. "Sure the treaty was ridiclous and harsh but because it was ridiclous and harsh they tried to get out of it and therefore it should have been MORE ridiclous and MORE harsh!" is the logic of a rabid bunny biting a wolf.

Enough with the hyperbole, it does you no favors. The Germans sabotaged their economy because they didn't want to pay the reparations, not because they weren't capable of doing so.

If anything it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire who were most to blamed followed by a whole round of "Well if you do that then I'll do this."

The German "blank check" gave Austria the backing to invade Serbia in the face of Russian promises to defend the Serbs. Without that German support, Austria wouldn't have acted anywhere nearly as boldly.

You think the end of WW1 should have been French/Russian/English occupation of Germany?

It should have been something. Germany occupied nearly the entirety of Belgium and the most industrialized and populated regions of France for four years, and after all that, the war ended before it even crossed into German territory and France got to occupy the Saarland for fifteen years. Oh, won't someone think of poor Germany?
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Usually a WWI topic would become an argument about Trump, not the other way around
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The German "blank check" gave Austria the backing to invade Serbia in the face of Russian promises to defend the Serbs. Without that German support, Austria wouldn't have acted anywhere nearly as boldly.

No shit, it's almost like the Central powers were allies or something.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

It should have been something. Oh, won't someone think of poor Germany?

Oh for fuck sake.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

The Germans sabotaged their economy because they didn't want to pay the reparations, not because they weren't capable of doing so.

1. That's debatable to begin with.

2. No shit they didn't want to pay the reperations. You're acting like the war and damaged was caused by Germany and they owed it to everyone to fix everything.

WW1 wasn't that simple. Every nation involved acted like an idiot and every nation had blood on their hands. Trying to pawn it off on Germany just because they lost was stupid.

It was stupid then, now in the 21st century approaching 100 years later, claiming it didn't go far enough goes beyond stupid.
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Well Obama haters were in hell for eight years.UnfairRepresent posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

It's topics like these that truly show how desperate the Trump cult is becoming

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Desperate for what?

Trump is president.


They have congress.

The Trump cult has won.

And yet they still can't complete their goals.
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creativerealms posted...

And yet they still can't complete their goals.

If you say so.

I'd say becoming president and having congress are two big goals completed.

The US is out of TPP

Construction of the wall has begun

He has curbed immigration and given more power to ICE to deport.

Their goals seem fine to me.
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To get back on topic, I don't think Trump supporters should be as gleeful as TC is.
Yes Trump won, and continues to have hardcore support from most of his base, but it hasn't gotten him very far.
There is currently a special investigator who is certainly going further than "Russia hacked the elections for Trump," enough to get a grand jury involved. Obviously we'll have to wait to see how this pans out, but we haven't really had this happen or have someone as well-regarded as Mueller be in charge of this.
Also Trump has had zero legislative success. His biggest achievement legislatively happens to be the Russian Sanctions, something he said he didn't want to happen.
His approval rating has steadily gone down. He didn't even get to have a honeymoon period of relative hope.
Even solid republicans in congress are sort of doing things that don't jive with his administration. Nothing outright, but still sowing the seeds.
Constant turn around in the White House. How many people has he fired? How many people have resigned?
Legal battles against states and watchdog groups. A lot of the things he's trying keep on getting struck down in court.

He's not really succeeding. Right now 2018 is stacked against Democrats due to most of the people who are up for re-election are in red states, but 2020 doesn't look bad for democrats.

Should people underestimate Trump? No. But he hasn't really done anything to really worry anyone.
He spends most of time vacationing and getting literal FAKE NEWS read to him, all the white making money off of taxpayers. If anyone should be cautioned about realistic standards and pitied, it should be his supporters like you who are overestimating him.

I pity anyone who supports Trump. It's probably hard to live without a brain.
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On_The_Edge posted...

Then stop f***ing underestimating him and his base b/c you got your ass handed to you in the election.

No we didn't.

UnfairRepresent posted...

No shit, it's almost like the Central powers were allies or something.

The Triple Alliance was explicitly defensive in nature. That's the reason Italy didn't go to war on the side of the Central Powers and later joined the Entente.

No shit they didn't want to pay the reperations. You're acting like the war and damaged was caused by Germany and they owed it to everyone to fix everything.

The damage was caused by Germany, and the war happened because of Germany's backing of the Austrians. They occupied Belgium. They occupied northern France. They bailed out the Austrians in the Balkans, in Romania, and in Italy. They tore the Russian Empire apart and convinced the Entente that the war couldn't be ended except through surrender. What do you gain from trying to minimize Germany's responsibility here?
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