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On_The_Edge
08/13/17 6:33:45 PM
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Don't pretend like antifa are any better than neonazis. Both groups were present and both caused their trouble.
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Omnislasher
08/13/17 6:34:16 PM
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no
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 6:35:52 PM
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Antifa are not as bad as the KKK, no.

The KKK is the oldest terrorism organization in the world. Antifa has been around for one year.

The KKK has between 5,000 and 10,000 active members. Antifa has maybe one tenth of that.

The KKK has murdered hundreds of people and hanged people from trees. Antifa hasn't killed anyone.
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UnfairRepresent
08/13/17 6:36:10 PM
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Yeah a bunch of fat SJWs who want to feel special are equally as bad as fucking Nazis....
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bevan306
08/13/17 6:36:12 PM
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neonazi's murdered someone and they have the support of the US president. Not really equivalent to antifa but good try
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UnholyMudcrab
08/13/17 6:36:14 PM
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Kid_Buu
08/13/17 6:36:33 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah a bunch of fat SJWs who want to feel special are equally as bad as fucking Nazis....

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Webmaster4531
08/13/17 6:37:26 PM
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Many is a weasel word that can be interpreted to mean not the nazis.
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gunplagirl
08/13/17 6:37:33 PM
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Nazis: we want minorities dead or stripped of rights and kicked out of this country
Antifa: we will stop you and protect minorities from your schemes
People like tc: well I can't see the difference
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Tezlok
08/13/17 6:37:53 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
Don't pretend like antifa are any better than neonazis. Both groups were present and both caused their trouble.

Thank you. I said the same thing in different wording yesterday though and got modded by a biased mod
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Smashingpmkns
08/13/17 6:38:57 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Remind me again which side actually killed someone yesterday

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ShotOJameson
08/13/17 6:38:58 PM
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Without Neo-Nazi radicals there wouldn't need to be ANTIFA. Like they wouldn't exist, this is all created by white supremacist bigotry

trump is a fucking moron.
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UnfairRepresent
08/13/17 6:39:22 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Nazis: we want minorities dead or stripped of rights and kicked out of this country
Antifa: we will stop you and protect minorities from your schemes
People like tc: well I can't see the difference


The thing you're missing is that Antifa can't tell the difference between actual nazis and just some dude who has conservative opinions.

The kind who literally think JonTron is a Nazi and try to get Richard Dawkins banned from talking at colleges because he is a Nazi.
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Tezlok
08/13/17 6:39:34 PM
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Antifa beat up people
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Axiom
08/13/17 6:39:44 PM
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This is a stupid topic. You guys can say this over and over but it will never be true and I say this as someone who doesn't even like antifa
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The Admiral
08/13/17 6:40:24 PM
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ShotOJameson posted...
Without Neo-Nazis there wouldn't need to be ANTIFA. Like they wouldn't exist, this is all created by white supremacist bigotry

trump is a fucking moron.


Antifa is just a repackaging of the sour grapes protesters who have been violent since the election. Pretending they're combatting "fascism" is just the most recent excuse they use to justify aggression and violence over not getting their way.
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3rd_Best_Master
08/13/17 6:41:06 PM
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Tezlok posted...
Antifa beat up people

Neo-nazis killed people.

Wow, both sides are practically identical!
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Darmik
08/13/17 6:41:16 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Nazis: we want minorities dead or stripped of rights and kicked out of this country
Antifa: we will stop you and protect minorities from your schemes
People like tc: well I can't see the difference


The thing you're missing is that Antifa can't tell the difference between actual nazis and just some dude who has conservative opinions.

The kind who literally think JonTron is a Nazi and try to get Richard Dawkins banned from talking at colleges because he is a Nazi.


That's just internet and college drama. Pretty different compared to the protester clashes. Where people were indeed protesting literal Nazi's.
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gunplagirl
08/13/17 6:41:23 PM
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Glass_Phantom posted...
Antifa are not as bad as the KKK, no.

The KKK is the oldest terrorism organization in the world. Antifa has been around for one year.

The KKK has between 5,000 and 10,000 active members. Antifa has maybe one tenth of that.

The KKK has murdered hundreds of people and hanged people from trees. Antifa hasn't killed anyone.

Antifa is not an organization, it's a movement that dates back decades in europe and only exists to stand up to evil groups like the KKK

And you're ignoring the long history of unjustified attacks on others that have been spearheaded by the US government for centuries. Or the catholic church for that matter.
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ShotOJameson
08/13/17 6:42:06 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ShotOJameson posted...
Without Neo-Nazis there wouldn't need to be ANTIFA. Like they wouldn't exist, this is all created by white supremacist bigotry

trump is a fucking moron.


Antifa is just a repackaging of the sour grapes protesters who have been violent since the election. Pretending they're combatting "fascism" is just the most recent excuse they use to justify aggression and violence over not getting their way.


well maybe if the president in charge they protest against didn't all but promote these hate groups...
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gunplagirl
08/13/17 6:42:50 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Nazis: we want minorities dead or stripped of rights and kicked out of this country
Antifa: we will stop you and protect minorities from your schemes
People like tc: well I can't see the difference


The thing you're missing is that Antifa can't tell the difference between actual nazis and just some dude who has conservative opinions.

The kind who literally think JonTron is a Nazi and try to get Richard Dawkins banned from talking at colleges because he is a Nazi.

Where's the list of victims beat up by antifa that people on ce keep referencing?
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The Great Muta 22
08/13/17 6:43:55 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Antifa is just a repackaging of the sour grapes protesters who have been violent since the election.


Add "Antifa" to the list of subjects Admiral is ignorant about
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 6:45:48 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Antifa is just a repackaging of the sour grapes protesters who have been violent since the election. Pretending they're combatting "fascism" is just the most recent excuse they use to justify aggression and violence.


I'd say it's more than sour grapes. They are revolting against a demagogic president, with clear authoritarian tendencies, who exploits the racial grievance of Caucasian Americans for popular support, who lost the popular vote, and was aided and abetted by the illegal interference of an authoritarian foreign power (Russia). And that is against the backdrop of voter suppression of minority communities and racial gerrymandering of congressional districts which has been going on for decades, as well as the abuse of Congress to steal a Supreme Court nominee (Merrick Garland). There are reasons why Antifa are doing what they are doing, even if we disagree with their methods.
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Darmik
08/13/17 6:47:40 PM
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Wait I'm confused.

Why wouldn't Trump voters want to protest against a Nazi rally? Doesn't this sorta go beyond left vs right?
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Tezlok
08/13/17 6:48:49 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
Antifa beat up people

Neo-nazis killed people.

Wow, both sides are practically identical!

So because one side kills, the other side is excused to beat up innocent people? Sometimes antifa attacks people who haven't actually done anything. It's still wrong to beat up people no matter who your enemy is, especially if you attack bystanders
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Kid_Buu
08/13/17 6:49:16 PM
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Tezlok posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
Antifa beat up people

Neo-nazis killed people.

Wow, both sides are practically identical!

So because one side kills, the other side is excused to beat up innocent people? Sometimes antifa attacks people who haven't actually done anything. It's still wrong to beat up people no matter who your when is, especially if you attack bystanders

i thought you said same thing both sides

in what world is punching someone the same as killing them
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UnholyMudcrab
08/13/17 6:49:39 PM
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Tezlok posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
Antifa beat up people

Neo-nazis killed people.

Wow, both sides are practically identical!

So because one side kills, the other side is excused to beat up innocent people? Sometimes antifa attacks people who haven't actually done anything. It's still wrong to beat up people no matter who your when is, especially if you attack bystanders

Frankly, I'm astounded that you can't see the false equivalency that you're trying to draw here
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3rd_Best_Master
08/13/17 6:50:18 PM
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Tezlok posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
Antifa beat up people

Neo-nazis killed people.

Wow, both sides are practically identical!

So because one side kills, the other side is excused to beat up innocent people? Sometimes antifa attacks people who haven't actually done anything. It's still wrong to beat up people no matter who your enemy is, especially if you attack bystanders

And here you go downplaying murder while over playing assault. What's your intent here?
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SpreadManning
08/13/17 6:50:27 PM
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Good on Trump for denouncing hate groups of all types.
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gunplagirl
08/13/17 6:50:38 PM
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Darmik posted...
Wait I'm confused.

Why wouldn't Trump voters want to protest against a Nazi rally? Doesn't this sorta go beyond left vs right?

Spoiler alert, the right has long since been in bed with Nazis and the Klan
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Tezlok
08/13/17 6:51:44 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
Antifa beat up people

Neo-nazis killed people.

Wow, both sides are practically identical!

So because one side kills, the other side is excused to beat up innocent people? Sometimes antifa attacks people who haven't actually done anything. It's still wrong to beat up people no matter who your enemy is, especially if you attack bystanders

And here you go downplaying murder while over playing assault. What's your intent here?

I don't like that antifa can attack a random person and then say later they were a Nazi to excuse it. Antifa are thugs
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loafy013
08/13/17 6:51:54 PM
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Darmik posted...
Wait I'm confused.

Why wouldn't Trump voters want to protest against a Nazi rally? Doesn't this sorta go beyond left vs right?

Because making liberals cry has been ingrained into their DNA at this point. Seeing people on the left hate Nazis makes Trump supporters automatically side with them.
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gunplagirl
08/13/17 6:51:58 PM
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SpreadManning posted...
Good on Trump for denouncing hate groups of all types.

Nazis: I will kill all minorities if I have the chance
Antifa: we will fight you and will stop you
You: these two are both unjustified and I will only speak out against the latter
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3rd_Best_Master
08/13/17 6:52:33 PM
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Tezlok posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
Antifa beat up people

Neo-nazis killed people.

Wow, both sides are practically identical!

So because one side kills, the other side is excused to beat up innocent people? Sometimes antifa attacks people who haven't actually done anything. It's still wrong to beat up people no matter who your enemy is, especially if you attack bystanders

And here you go downplaying murder while over playing assault. What's your intent here?

I don't like that antifa can attack a random person and then say later they were a Nazi to excuse it. Antifa are thugs

And here you are excusing murder. Are you even capable of self-awareness?
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Tezlok
08/13/17 6:52:40 PM
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I have been called a Nazi before by antifa sympathizers. And of course those people didn't get modded
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Questionmarktarius
08/13/17 6:53:20 PM
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I wonder if it's a good idea to buy a food truck, and park it next to protests...
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FaultyGourry
08/13/17 6:53:27 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Darmik posted...
Wait I'm confused.

Why wouldn't Trump voters want to protest against a Nazi rally? Doesn't this sorta go beyond left vs right?

Spoiler alert, the right has long since been in bed with Nazis and the Klan

This shit right here needs to stop. It isn't helping anything.
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Tezlok
08/13/17 6:53:41 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
Antifa beat up people

Neo-nazis killed people.

Wow, both sides are practically identical!

So because one side kills, the other side is excused to beat up innocent people? Sometimes antifa attacks people who haven't actually done anything. It's still wrong to beat up people no matter who your enemy is, especially if you attack bystanders

And here you go downplaying murder while over playing assault. What's your intent here?

I don't like that antifa can attack a random person and then say later they were a Nazi to excuse it. Antifa are thugs

And here you are excusing murder. Are you even capable of self-awareness?

How am I excusing murder? I never even mentioned it. You are just making up a story now
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dj4242
08/13/17 6:54:13 PM
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Antifa is a terrible organization
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3rd_Best_Master
08/13/17 6:54:23 PM
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Tezlok posted...
I have been called a Nazi before by antifa sympathizers. And of course those people didn't get modded

You've been going out of your way to defend them killing someone for 2 days now. Gee, why do people keep on assuming you're a Nazi? We're gonna have to get Batman over here and figure out this one.
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 6:55:26 PM
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How many churches has Antifa bombed?

How many school children has Antifa murdered?

How many innocent people has Antifa strung up and left swinging from trees?

How many innocent families has Antifa terrorized?

How many times has Antifa co-opted the justice system to get killers off the hook for murder?

What has Antifa done apart from street fighting and breaking a few windows? What have they done that's on par with the KKK?
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NibeIungsnarf
08/13/17 6:56:12 PM
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Can we please try to get Zikten to meltdown? We're already halfway there.
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darkjedilink
08/13/17 6:56:58 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah a bunch of fat SJWs who want to feel special are equally as bad as fucking Nazis....

Literally no different, unless you think the 'Nazis' of today in America are exactly the same as the ones in 1930's Germany.
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creativerealms
08/13/17 6:57:13 PM
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But he would have no problem condemning antifa by name.
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Tezlok
08/13/17 6:57:20 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
I have been called a Nazi before by antifa sympathizers. And of course those people didn't get modded

You've been going out of your way to defend them killing someone for 2 days now. Gee, why do people keep on assuming you're a Nazi? We're gonna have to get Batman over here and figure out this one.

I never defended them. All I said was they aren't Nazis. Because they aren't members of the historical Nazi party. Not my fault you like to leap to conclusions
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UnfairRepresent
08/13/17 6:57:26 PM
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^ Didn't they pepper spray a 16 year old girl in the face and start a riot?
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3rd_Best_Master
08/13/17 6:58:55 PM
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Tezlok posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Tezlok posted...
I have been called a Nazi before by antifa sympathizers. And of course those people didn't get modded

You've been going out of your way to defend them killing someone for 2 days now. Gee, why do people keep on assuming you're a Nazi? We're gonna have to get Batman over here and figure out this one.

I never defended them. All I said was they aren't Nazis. Because they aren't members of the historical Nazi party. Not my fault you like to leap to conclusions

Not my fault you like to defend a bunch of dudes waving around swastikas and goose-stepping while downplaying the murder that one of them committed.
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gunplagirl
08/13/17 6:59:14 PM
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FaultyGourry posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Darmik posted...
Wait I'm confused.

Why wouldn't Trump voters want to protest against a Nazi rally? Doesn't this sorta go beyond left vs right?

Spoiler alert, the right has long since been in bed with Nazis and the Klan

This shit right here needs to stop. It isn't helping anything.

Answering their question is topically relevant. And true, since they're the ones fostering racists and not actually stopping them. They'll only speak out to defend free speech for armed militant Nazis, while condemning minority groups who organize peacefully.

Notice that even though they had guns and torches they didn't have the national guard there? Yet dozens get met with riot geared officers right away, and arrested around the nation at protests for the police murders of people of color.
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NibeIungsnarf
08/13/17 6:59:25 PM
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Tezlok posted...
I never defended them. All I said was they aren't Nazis. Because they aren't members of the historical Nazi party. Not my fault you like to leap to conclusions

What an insanely stupid hill to die on.

And not even a correct one at that.
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