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NeonOctopus
08/15/17 10:33:06 AM
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Lorenzo_2003
08/15/17 10:34:54 AM
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I think they should be kept for public view in a museum. Does that count as staying up or down?
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Foppe
08/15/17 10:38:00 AM
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Taking them down is just a bad attempt to censor history.
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OpheliaAdenade
08/15/17 10:40:25 AM
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Move them to a museum. They shouldn't be decorating courtyards though.
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ssj3vegeta_
08/15/17 10:41:34 AM
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BLAKUboy
08/15/17 10:42:00 AM
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The attempted whitewashing of the Confederate legacy should not be respected, no. Tear them all down.
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philsov
08/15/17 10:43:53 AM
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They're not to be venerated or celebrated. So on display in the middle of downtown is not only the wrong message, but the entire goal of the people who chose to spitefully erect them. So, yeah, get them out of the public eye.

There's a way to retain history without commemorating white supremacy.

I mean, should we have toppled Saddam Hussein's statue?
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ultimate reaver
08/15/17 10:43:54 AM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
Move them to a museum. They shouldn't be decorating courtyards though.

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Polycosm
08/15/17 10:47:17 AM
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I don't think that every historical figure with a controversial past needs to have his statue removed from public land. The founding fathers were all complicated and flawed men, who contributed great ideas to the moral fabric of our country... and who also committed crimes against humanity. I don't believe that monuments to Thomas Jefferson ought to be relegated to museums. Jefferson, for all his flaws, still represents certain positive aspects of the American ethos.

However, most of the Confederate statues really don't have any place outside of a museum, imho. Outside of maybe a couple of exceptions, there isn't any redeeming symbolism to be found in them.
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Sativa_Rose
08/15/17 10:47:55 AM
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Some should, yes. The idea that every single statue of say Robert E. Lee should be taken down is ridiculous.
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Smashingpmkns
08/15/17 10:48:11 AM
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Put them in a museum.
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Polycosm
08/15/17 10:49:38 AM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Robert E. Lee

Precisely one of the exceptions I was thinking of, btw.
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NibeIungsnarf
08/15/17 10:51:56 AM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Some should, yes. The idea that every single statue of say Robert E. Lee should be taken down is ridiculous.
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VandorLee
08/15/17 10:53:29 AM
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I was distracted by some big titties.
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EndOfDiscOne
08/15/17 11:01:45 AM
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The Civil War was not as black and white as everyone seems to think it was. Robert E. Lee opposed slavery, but he was loyal to his home state. Just like anyone, he was a flawed person who also had admirable qualities. There's a lot of fascinating and helpful stuff you can learn from history, and I don't support trying to censor it or pretend it doesn't exist.
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J E S U S
08/15/17 1:35:20 PM
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isnt this pretty much what the taliban and ISIS did in afghanistan and syria?
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ThePrinceFish
08/15/17 1:36:12 PM
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No. History should be sterilized.
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3rd_Best_Master
08/15/17 1:38:08 PM
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Foppe posted...
Taking them down is just a bad attempt to censor history.

They were erected to whitewash history. Their removal is merely correcting a wrong that should have never been allowed in the first place.
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K181
08/15/17 1:39:47 PM
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History should not be whitewashed or sterilized, but let's be clear.... we shouldn't ignore the horrors of the wrong sides of history either. Leading traitors to our country don't deserve to be honored in major public spaces, so you can move those to museums that want them. And then you have figures like Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was behind a massacre of black American troops and was a major force behind the Klan's early years, should absolutely be tossed in the garbage. You're not whitewashing history by not honoring that douche.

When it comes to monuments for the dead, like these # of men from this town died fighting for their state and then listing them, whatever. Those can stay.
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Foppe
08/15/17 1:40:23 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
Taking them down is just a bad attempt to censor history.

They were erected to whitewash history. Their removal is merely correcting a wrong that should have never been allowed in the first place.


Lets whitewash an earlier attempt at whitewashing history to make us look better!
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hockeybub89
08/15/17 1:40:42 PM
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3rd_Best_Master
08/15/17 1:42:41 PM
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Foppe posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
Taking them down is just a bad attempt to censor history.

They were erected to whitewash history. Their removal is merely correcting a wrong that should have never been allowed in the first place.


Lets whitewash an earlier attempt at whitewashing history to make us look better!

Just like erasing a misspelled word. Mistakes happen so best they get dealt with.
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Foppe
08/15/17 1:46:08 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
Taking them down is just a bad attempt to censor history.

They were erected to whitewash history. Their removal is merely correcting a wrong that should have never been allowed in the first place.


Lets whitewash an earlier attempt at whitewashing history to make us look better!

Just like erasing a misspelled word. Mistakes happen so best they get dealt with.


Lets censor history and pretend that it never happened.
So what mistake will we remove next?
Slavery is bad, so lets pretend that it never happened.
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Samurontai
08/15/17 1:47:18 PM
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Foppe posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
Taking them down is just a bad attempt to censor history.

They were erected to whitewash history. Their removal is merely correcting a wrong that should have never been allowed in the first place.


Lets whitewash an earlier attempt at whitewashing history to make us look better!

Just like erasing a misspelled word. Mistakes happen so best they get dealt with.


Lets censor history and pretend that it never happened.
So what mistake will we remove next?
Slavery is bad, so lets pretend that it never happened.


It's not censoring if they're moved to a museum
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K181
08/15/17 1:48:37 PM
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Friendly reminder for something that shouldn't need a reminder.... not honoring someone is not the same as pretending that something didn't happen.
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Antifar
08/15/17 1:48:45 PM
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Foppe posted...
Lets censor history and pretend that it never happened.

Removing statues is not censoring history. It's reckoning with that history and recognizing that they don't need to be honored. These statues went up in a concerted effort to conflate "white southern history" with "southern history."
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3rd_Best_Master
08/15/17 1:50:28 PM
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Foppe posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
Taking them down is just a bad attempt to censor history.

They were erected to whitewash history. Their removal is merely correcting a wrong that should have never been allowed in the first place.


Lets whitewash an earlier attempt at whitewashing history to make us look better!

Just like erasing a misspelled word. Mistakes happen so best they get dealt with.


Lets censor history and pretend that it never happened.
So what mistake will we remove next?
Slavery is bad, so lets pretend that it never happened.

Do text books, museums, class rooms, or the internet not exist in your world; or have you always received your education by wandering through the streets in your city and reading whichever placard interests you at the moment?
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uwnim
08/15/17 1:50:30 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Some should, yes. The idea that every single statue of say Robert E. Lee should be taken down is ridiculous.

Any of him as a confederate should be. Anything that exists to commemorate his years as an educator or those that show him is a Virginian hero would be fine.
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ElatedVenusaur
08/15/17 1:52:45 PM
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Foppe posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Foppe posted...
Taking them down is just a bad attempt to censor history.

They were erected to whitewash history. Their removal is merely correcting a wrong that should have never been allowed in the first place.


Lets whitewash an earlier attempt at whitewashing history to make us look better!

Just like erasing a misspelled word. Mistakes happen so best they get dealt with.


Lets censor history and pretend that it never happened.
So what mistake will we remove next?
Slavery is bad, so lets pretend that it never happened.

Putting up statues of Confederate generals to commemorate slavery would be like putting up statues of Hitler to commemorate the Holocaust.
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hockeybub89
08/15/17 1:55:57 PM
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K181 posted...
Friendly reminder for something that shouldn't need a reminder.... not honoring someone is not the same as pretending that something didn't happen.

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Paper_Okami
08/15/17 1:57:45 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
The Civil War was not as black and white as everyone seems to think it was. Robert E. Lee opposed slavery, but he was loyal to his home state. Just like anyone, he was a flawed person who also had admirable qualities. There's a lot of fascinating and helpful stuff you can learn from history, and I don't support trying to censor it or pretend it doesn't exist.


No, it's pretty blatantly black and white that fighting for the right to own black people was bad.
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NeonOctopus
08/15/17 6:10:00 PM
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asdf8562
08/15/17 6:29:28 PM
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kewldude475 posted...
Should we leave up relics celebrating treason in the name of slavery? The answer to this should be obvious.

This. I have literally heard no legit good reason to keep a monument of a traitor up.
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cjsdowg
08/15/17 6:31:21 PM
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It is so funny that many of the people who support this, seemingly don't care about any other time in history.
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Sada_Pop
08/15/17 6:36:29 PM
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Museum option
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Axiom
08/15/17 6:38:00 PM
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Sada_Pop posted...
Museum option

This pretty much. There's really no reason for them to be in public since it upsets people and if you are going to argue it should stay for history sake then you can just go visit the museum for said history
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Sad_Face
08/15/17 6:41:08 PM
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I personally feel it should stay just to represent the history and how people of that area felt about him during that time. But I don't feel strongly enough to care whether it stays or goes. I would rather it go to a museum to preserve history over it being outright destroyed though.

If this is in regards to Robert E. Lee statue.
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g7g7g7g7
08/15/17 7:08:21 PM
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You have to look at when a lot of these statues were put up, who lobbied for them and which groups paid for them. You see a lot of pro-segregation, anti-civil rights groups, christian identity groups and white supremacists behind them, political power using white supremacy to push against desegregation and shared class interest and pushing a racial divide. They are a glorification of slavery and icon of intimidation and threat to black and mixed communities in the south. They aren't about the civil war or history, they are about dickhead racists making a statement of oppression.
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