Current Events > I don't understand how people can be so against statue removal

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I thought we hated fake news and alternative facts. People are finally getting the story straight if anything.
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Yes im very against illegally destroying property you find offensive and claiming to be the better person.
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name 1 valid reason we should honor traitors and losers

ill be waiting
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ManSpread posted...

name 1 valid reason we should honor traitors and losers

ill be waiting

So illegally destroy property you find offensive.
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VandorLee posted...

Yes im very against illegally destroying property you find offensive and claiming to be the better person.

Cities taking down their own statues isn't illegal rofl
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VandorLee posted...

ManSpread posted...

name 1 valid reason we should honor traitors and losers

ill be waiting

So illegally destroy property you find offensive.

congrats on not answering my question
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ManSpread posted...

VandorLee posted...

ManSpread posted...

name 1 valid reason we should honor traitors and losers

ill be waiting

So illegally destroy property you find offensive.

congrats on not answering my question

Ignore illegal destruction of property.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

VandorLee posted...

Yes im very against illegally destroying property you find offensive and claiming to be the better person.

Cities taking down their own statues isn't illegal rofl

yeah because it's totally been the cities that have been tearing all of them down lol
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How many statues have been illegally removed, and how many have been removed by the city/state in which they reside?
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BignutzisBack posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

VandorLee posted...

Yes im very against illegally destroying property you find offensive and claiming to be the better person.

Cities taking down their own statues isn't illegal rofl

yeah because it's totally been the cities that have been tearing all of them down lol

Because it has?

Statues that are desecrated shouldn't happen. They should be taken down by the cities. But you're not going to see me cry and complain like you guys if someone does something to a confederate statue.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

VandorLee posted...

Yes im very against illegally destroying property you find offensive and claiming to be the better person.

Cities taking down their own statues isn't illegal rofl

yeah because it's totally been the cities that have been tearing all of them down lol

Because it has?

Statues that are desecrated shouldn't happen. They should be taken down by the cities. But you're not going to see me cry and complain like you guys if someone does something to a confederate statue.

ok then change your point towards Vandor as you in fact aren't against illegally destroying them, after that go move the goalposts with someone else smh
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Take them down legally! Dont destroy shit that offends you.
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Slippery slope cause it won't end with Confederates. Now anything is on the table
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We should demolish downtown san fransisco and build a giant gold plated statue of trump in its place.

That will bring our country together.
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They don't. They're just making a big deal over how it shouldn't be a big deal, of course.
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Because destroying history always ends badly for society and if you actually looked at history instead of destroying it, you'd realize the people who advocate the destrution of history are the worst people.

The Nazis, the Islamic State, Stalin, The Mad Kings/Rulers of Europe, the Barbarian Hordes. Even Donald Trump is on that list.

Boko Haram literally means Western Education is a sin and they want to eradicate from history.

And you're throwing your hat in with them going "I AGREE WITH ALL THOSE GUYS!"


Once you tell people it's okay to destroy history that you don't like, you can no longer be surprised when they destroy history that you DO like. It always ends badly.

Nothing is gained from the destruction of knowlegde and art, only pain
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fenderbender321 posted...

We should tear down statues of Neil Armstrong, because he favored states' rights, which is the same as what General Lee fought for. And hey, we tore down his statues, so....

Our new government is founded upon exactly [this] idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth

Don't really care about the statues, just wanted to stop this state's rights propaganda.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Because destroying history always ends badly for society and if you actually looked at history instead of destroying it, you'd realize the people who advocate the destrution of history are the worst people.

The Nazis, the Islamic State, Stalin, The Mad Kings/Rulers of Europe, the Barbarian Hordes. Even Donald Trump is on that list.

Boko Haram literally means Western Education is a sin and they want to eradicate from history.

And you're throwing your hat in with them going "I AGREE WITH ALL THOSE GUYS!"


Once you tell people it's okay to destroy history that you don't like, you can no longer be surprised when they destroy history that you DO like. It always ends badly.

Nothing is gained from the destruction of knowlegde and art, only pain

TIL: moving statues to a museum is destroying history,
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Nubcake13 posted...

TIL: moving statues to a museum is destroying history,

For starters, yes it is.

Removing monuments is destroying history, even if put them somewhere else, you still removed them.

You woudn't be singing the same tune if Russia took the Statue of liberty down and said "Oh don't worry we're putting it in Nikolai's shed over there. It's not destroyed."

Several of the books the Nazis destroyed still exist with some copies, there are documents and photos Stalin and the Soviets didn't succeed in altering, some knowledge from the library of Alexandria lived on.

It's still destroying history.


For two, most of the statues being torn down now on a daily basis across America are not being moved, they are being flat out oblierated.

Your defense is asinine and a lazy pedantic evasion of the point raised at you.
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It's not really about hurt feelings in all situations right?

Cities and people are just reanalyzing the reasons why they initially put up those statues, and they're realizing those reasons weren't good, so they're changing.
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emblem boy posted...

It's not really about hurt feelings in all situations right?

Cities people are just reanalyzing the reasons why they initially put up those statues, and they're realizing those reasons were stupid so they're changing.

Destroying history, just like how erasers destroy misspelled words.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

emblem boy posted...

It's not really about hurt feelings in all situations right?

Cities people are just reanalyzing the reasons why they initially put up those statues, and they're realizing those reasons were stupid so they're changing.

Destroying history, just like how erasers destroy misspelled words.

Which history is being destroyed? The only history that's being destroyed is the history of wanting to honor a specific person for a specific reason.

What's changed is peoples opinion on why we initially even wanted to honor those people.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

You woudn't be singing the same tune if Russia took the Statue of liberty down and said "Oh don't worry we're putting it in Nikolai's shed over there. It's not destroyed."

Russians? RUSSIANS?! Well there's no way in HELL I'm lettin' them Commie bastards touch my culture and heritage!! Grab the shotgun boy, we're going to a rally!
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emblem boy posted...

It's not really about hurt feelings in all situations right?

Cities and people are just reanalyzing the reasons why they initially put up those statues, and they're realizing those reasons weren't good, so they're changing.

That's a reason to not erect new statues of history you don't like and not create new art of history you dislike. Today.

Not "changing" history to replace things you don't like with things you do. That's the part you intentionally pretend not to understand.

I would have no issue with a collective shift in society going from Christian and Atheist and no longer having Crucifixes everywhere. But I would utterly oppose them "Realizing the reasons werent good." and running around knocking down Christian monuments and cross gravestones to "Change" them

And this is before you even touch upon the fact most of these "changes" aren't even being done with majority or in many cases Government approval. Just mobs of angry people who don't like parts of history so they destroy it.

That is a bad thing, not something to be protected with honeyed words and doublethink.
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ManSpread posted...

name 1 valid reason we should honor traitors and losers

ill be waiting

Weren't the founding fathers technically traitors

UnfairRepresent posted...

emblem boy posted...

It's not really about hurt feelings in all situations right?

Cities and people are just reanalyzing the reasons why they initially put up those statues, and they're realizing those reasons weren't good, so they're changing.

That's a reason to not erect new statues of history you don't like and not create new art of history you dislike. Today.

Not "changing" history to replace things you don't like with things you do. That's the part you intentionally pretend not to understand.

I would have no issue with a collective shift in society going from Christian and Atheist and no longer having Crucifixes everywhere. But I would utterly oppose them "Realizing the reasons werent good." and running around knocking down Christian monuments and cross gravestones to "Change" them

And this is before you even touch upon the fact most of these "changes" aren't even being done with majority or in many cases Government approval. Just mobs of angry people who don't like parts of history so they destroy it.

That is a bad thing, not something to be protected with honeyed words and doublethink.

You make good points. Do you think there's no reason at all to ever remove a statue or monument(assuming it's not damaged or something?)


Also, do you feel the same about how we added In God we trust to money after WW2 due to communism scare? I'm guessing you do.

And I agree completely that if they are going to remove the statues it shouldn't be done through mob rule and non majority agreement.
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emblem boy posted...

You make good points. Do you think there's no reason at all to ever remove a statue or monument(assuming it's not damaged or something?)

Yeah if it's a hazard and about to fall down or something.

Or if there is some reason why it's super inconvient. Like if they were building a hospital and statue blocked a direct road to it. Or there was a huge pile of oil directly under the statue.

You need something to justify destroying the history and "I dont like that history" is just not good enough

Also, do you feel the same about how we added In God we trust to money after WW2 due to communism scare? I'm guessing you do.

Yes although that's a completely different situation.

And I agree completely that if they are going to remove the statues it shouldn't be done through mob rule and non majority agreement.

Problem is while magority agreement is better than mob rule it still doesn't justify much. Don't forget the Nazis had majority agreement.
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