Current Events > Cali now has harsher laws for pronoun violations than purposely spreading HIV

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What in the actual fuck
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Source?
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DelianSK posted...

Source?

the HIV thing is true, which is pretty fucking scary and sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/health/california-hiv-bill-signed/index.html

The pronoun one, not so much. It's basically right wing fear mongering. Here's a Breitbart article:

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/10/10/california-law-calling-transgenders-wrong-gender-pronoun-send-jail/

If you read the actual bill it's basically saying that you aren't allowed to discriminate against an LGBT person in a long term medical care facility, and that includes stuff like HIV status or knowingly and purposely calling them the wrong pronoun when you have been informed otherwise. I think that's pretty fair tbh
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This is what happens when you elect liberals

Romulox28 posted...

DelianSK posted...

Source?

the HIV thing is true, which is pretty fucking scary and sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/health/california-hiv-bill-signed/index.html

The pronoun one, not so much. It's basically right wing fear mongering. Here's a Breitbart article:

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/10/10/california-law-calling-transgenders-wrong-gender-pronoun-send-jail/

If you read the actual bill it's basically saying that you aren't allowed to discriminate against an LGBT person in a long term medical care facility, and that includes stuff like HIV status or knowingly and purposely calling them the wrong pronoun when you have been informed otherwise. I think that's pretty fair tbh

So it appears that yes, in CA the punishment for intentionally calling someone by the wrong pronoun is worse than intentionally giving someone a fatal disease.
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That's fucking insane.
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Mal_Fet posted...

So it appears that yes, in CA the punishment for intentionally calling someone by the wrong pronoun is worse than intentionally giving someone a fatal disease.

If you're as much of a right-wing lunatic as Breitbart writers and want to spin it that hard, sure.
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Mal_Fet posted...

So it appears that yes, in CA the punishment for intentionally calling someone by the wrong pronoun is worse than intentionally giving someone a fatal disease.

yes, assuming you are medical professional in a long term medical care facility, knowingly and purposely calling someone the wrong pronoun after being informed otherwise, and with the justice system deciding to punish you to the absolute maximum sentence available for such an offense (which lawmakers are saying will not happen in this case)
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Can anyone explain the HIV thing? How is this considered progress? Letting people with HIV in Cali give blood will infect people around the country getting blood infusions. I really hope that's not what this means.

CircleOfManias posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

So it appears that yes, in CA the punishment for intentionally calling someone by the wrong pronoun is worse than intentionally giving someone a fatal disease.

If you're as much of a right-wing lunatic as Breitbart writers and want to spin it that hard, sure.

No spin to it, the punishment for a caregiver purposely using a wrong pronoun is literally more harsh than if a caregiver with HIV is purposely spreading it. That's fucked up.
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CircleOfManias posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

So it appears that yes, in CA the punishment for intentionally calling someone by the wrong pronoun is worse than intentionally giving someone a fatal disease.

If you're as much of a right-wing lunatic as Breitbart writers and want to spin it that hard, sure.

Is it or is it not true that a long term medical center employee will get jail time for calling someone the wrong gender will get them jail time?

Is it or is it not true that knowingly giving someone HIV is only a misdemeanor and will NOT get you jail time?
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Anyone got that grandpa Simpson walk in then right back out gif
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Mal_Fet posted...

Is it or is it not true that a long term medical center employee will get jail time for calling someone the wrong gender will get them jail time?

Is it or is it not true that knowingly giving someone HIV is only a misdemeanor and will NOT get you jail time?

what is it with conservatives and being unable to apply context to anything
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This state just keeps getting more and more embarrassing. It's actively trying to outdo itself constantly.
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California is an absolute shithole.
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Doom_Art posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Is it or is it not true that a long term medical center employee will get jail time for calling someone the wrong gender will get them jail time?

Is it or is it not true that knowingly giving someone HIV is only a misdemeanor and will NOT get you jail time?

what is it with conservatives and being unable to apply context to anything

The context is that people can get harsher punishments for "misgendering" than intentionally giving them a fatal disease.
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What is liberal about the HIV disease anyway?
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I keep reading that the authors are all "no one will ever actually go to jail." Why the fuck is that in the bill then?
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DelianSK posted...

I keep reading that the authors are all "no one will ever actually go to jail." Why the fuck is that in the bill then?

You're asking something logical about California laws.
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Doom_Art posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Is it or is it not true that a long term medical center employee will get jail time for calling someone the wrong gender will get them jail time?

Is it or is it not true that knowingly giving someone HIV is only a misdemeanor and will NOT get you jail time?

what is it with conservatives and being unable to apply context to anything

What 'context' changes the fact that gradeschool bullying is treated more harshly in California than LITERALLY KILLING SOMEONE!?
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Asherlee10 posted...

HIV Bill: Apparently prostitutes were targeted and given felonies for spreading HIV (unknowingly or not). So this bill is an attempt to lower the punishment in order to get more people to get in and get tested and treated. http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-gov-brown-downgrades-from-felony-to-1507331544-htmlstory.html

So... legalize prostitution.

yeah, I don't really get the HIV thing. Especially because it's still illegal and can net you jail time, just less than it did prior. To me, that satisfies neither the goal of destigmatizing HIV nor the goal of promoting public health
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How will lowering the jail time make more whores want to get tested?they would still get jail time, just less. Maybe instead of being disease riddled whores afraid to go to jail, they could walk a straight line and get their lives together. Legalized prostitution wouldn't help them either, because it's still regulated and run lile a business. And nobody is going to hore gummy sue the 55 year old hooked who lives in a garbage bag. She's just going to keep getting arrested for hooking and being unregistered.
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RE_expert44 posted...

She's just going to keep getting arrested for hooking and being unregistered.

No, she's not. All the johns are at the brothel.

Mal_Fet posted...

Is it or is it not true that knowingly giving someone HIV is only a misdemeanor and will NOT get you jail time?

No, it's not true.

Joke state
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CircleOfManias posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

So it appears that yes, in CA the punishment for intentionally calling someone by the wrong pronoun is worse than intentionally giving someone a fatal disease.

If you're as much of a right-wing lunatic as Breitbart writers and want to spin it that hard, sure.

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voldothegr8 posted...

the punishment for a caregiver purposely using a wrong pronoun

This should not be a crime.

GhostOfTrayvon posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

the punishment for a caregiver purposely using a wrong pronoun

This should not be a crime.

Agree, at worst it should be a work rule.
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Can someone show me the part of the pronoun law that makes gives it jail or prison time? I can't find it.

JE19426 posted...

Can someone show me the part of the pronoun law that makes gives it jail or prison time? I can't find it.

While you're looking, see if you can find that part that applies the law outside of nursing homes and other residential-care facilities.

Romulox28 posted...

yes, assuming you are medical professional in a long term medical care facility, knowingly and purposely calling someone the wrong pronoun after being informed otherwise,

Which is still nowhere near as bad as intentionally giving someone HIV.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Romulox28 posted...

yes, assuming you are medical professional in a long term medical care facility, knowingly and purposely calling someone the wrong pronoun after being informed otherwise,

Which is still nowhere near as bad as intentionally giving someone HIV.

I still can not fathom how this notion still doesn't sink in to some of these heads.
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JE19426 posted...

Can someone show me the part of the pronoun law that makes gives it jail or prison time? I can't find it.

(a) Any person who violates this chapter, or who willfully or repeatedly violates any rule or regulation adopted under this chapter, is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed one year, or by both the fine and imprisonment.

It's literally the first part of it.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Romulox28 posted...

yes, assuming you are medical professional in a long term medical care facility, knowingly and purposely calling someone the wrong pronoun after being informed otherwise,

Which is still nowhere near as bad as intentionally giving someone HIV.

Right.

But, it looks like both end up being misdemeanors.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB219

And the bill is exclusively for long-term care facilities and it looks like it has more to do with visitor rights and removing discrimination than anything else.

There should be zero situation where calling someone the wrong pronoun gets more jail time than intentionally giving someone ANY std, much less the one that causes AIDS.

The fact that anyone suggests that there should is what's wrong with liberalism.
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Asherlee10 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Romulox28 posted...

yes, assuming you are medical professional in a long term medical care facility, knowingly and purposely calling someone the wrong pronoun after being informed otherwise,

Which is still nowhere near as bad as intentionally giving someone HIV.

Right.

But, it looks like both end up being misdemeanors.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB219

And the bill is exclusively for long-term care facilities and it looks like it has more to do with visitor rights and removing discrimination than anything else.

There should be zero situation where calling someone the wrong pronoun gets more jail time than intentionally giving someone ANY std, much less the one that causes AIDS.

The fact that anyone suggests that there should is what's wrong with liberalism.

Yes, knowingly giving someone AIDS should always be a harsh crime. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that.

That is irrelevant to the other bill. It isn't like you can only have so many things be a felony, therefore one law's punishment was traded for another. Wouldn't this argument be a red herring?

And the verbal actions mentioned in the law leave a lot of room for interpretation on purpose. It says: "(5) Willfully and repeatedly fail to use a residents preferred name or pronouns after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns."

This bill looks like it is focusing on two things:

1. Discrimination in long-term care facilities
2. Inaccurate recordkeeping based on personal beliefs in long-term care facilities

It is literally possible in California to spend more time in jail for misgendering someone than knowingly giving someone HIV.

LITERALLY NOTHING MAKES THAT OKAY. No situation, no focus, NOTHING should make mean words more criminal than killing someone.

Get it yet?
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emidas posted...

It's literally the first part of it.

No, it's not, thank you for linking to it however.

darkjedilink posted...

It is literally possible in California to spend more time in jail for misgendering someone than knowingly giving someone HIV.

LITERALLY NOTHING MAKES THAT OKAY. No situation, no focus, NOTHING should make mean words more criminal than killing someone.

Get it yet?

no one in this topic has argued with that, at least no one has yet

plus having sex with someone with HIV isn't the same as getting HIV, which is itself not AIDS which isn't the same thing as dying

I already said I don't agree with the change but equivocating between this and literal murder is almost as bad as what california is doing
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JE19426 posted...

emidas posted...

It's literally the first part of it.

No, it's not, thank you for linking to it however.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=HSC&division=2.&title=&part=&chapter=3.2.&article=4.

ARTICLE 4. Offenses [1569.40 - 1569.495] ( Article 4 added by Stats. 1985, Ch. 1127, Sec. 3. )

1569.40. (a) Any person who violates this chapter, or who willfully or repeatedly violates any rule or regulation adopted under this chapter, is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed one year, or by both the fine and imprisonment.

Again, literally the first part of it. Not my job to tell you how to find public documents, easily searchable.
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emidas posted...

Again, literally the first part of it.

No, it's not. I don't know why you felt the need to quote and link the part a second time.

topic title is bullshit but this hiv law is really dumb
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JE19426 posted...

emidas posted...

Again, literally the first part of it.

No, it's not. I don't know why you felt the need to quote and link the part a second time.

Please tell me how this isn't the first portion of this.
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Yeah it's stupid to make it a misdemeanor to purposely spread HIV to others.
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emidas posted...

Please tell me how this isn't the first portion of this.

Because it's in the fourth article of chapter 3.2.

Being lenient on HIV is stupid afand legalizing prositution makes a ton more sense than decreasing the penalty for infecting someone with HIV.

And as for the pronoun thing, that's really stupid. It's easentially a crime to call someone names, lol. Intentionally misgendering someone is a dickish move but it certainly shouldn't be fine worthy, much less that needless jail time addition that "won't ever happen". Which I honestly don't think would happen because that would be contested to hell.
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