Current Events > Can you stop calling Richard Spencer a Nazi?

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Call him whatever name you want, but he's not a fucking nazi. Guy likes the Jews. He's a white nationalist. A nazi has a very specific meaning and you're diluting the fucking meaning, just like you did with racist and sexist and every serious word there is. Bloody postmodernists.
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On_The_Edge posted...

Call him whatever name you want, but he's not a fucking nazi. Guy likes the Jews. He's a white nationalist. A nazi has a very specific meaning and you're diluting the fucking meaning, just like you did with racist and sexist and every serious word there is. Bloody postmodernists.

I highly doubt he's all too friendly with the Jews considering he's an ethnostatist.
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Honestly white nationalist should carry more negative weight than nazi considering history so I don't get why people latch on to it as the go to insult either
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkRY_kA2Aaw
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So, is this one of those "he doesn't care about Germany and therefore cannot be a nazi" type arguments?
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PhlogPyro posted...

On_The_Edge posted...

Call him whatever name you want, but he's not a fucking nazi. Guy likes the Jews. He's a white nationalist. A nazi has a very specific meaning and you're diluting the fucking meaning, just like you did with racist and sexist and every serious word there is. Bloody postmodernists.

I highly doubt he's all too friendly with the Jews considering he's an ethnostatist.

Israel is an ethnostate. He wants an Israel for whites. He admires them for that reason, because he's an ethnostatist
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hortanz posted...

Honestly white nationalist should carry more negative weight than nazi considering history so I don't get why people latch on to it as the go to insult either

as bad as white nationalism has gotten in the USA - its never advocated straight up genocide like nazi ideology.
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He praised Israel as an example for the type of country he wants America to be. That isn't the same thing as liking the Jews.
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COVxy posted...

So, is this one of those "he doesn't care about Germany and therefore cannot be a nazi" type arguments?

It's not an argument, it's a matter of recognition. He doesn't fit the definition of a nazi so he's not a nazi. I didn't even mention Germany, by the way.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Imagine defending Richard Spencer, lmao

How low Trump has made people sink

Imagine thinking it's about Richard Spencer. It's not. I don't give a shit about Spencer, call him w/e you want as long as it's accurate. It's about defending the actual meaning of words. You want to dilute the meaning of words just to make sure you tag the guy with the worst possible word you can come up with.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Imagine defending Richard Spencer, lmao

How low Trump has made people sink

some people are capable of nuance and mature discussion

On_The_Edge posted...

COVxy posted...

So, is this one of those "he doesn't care about Germany and therefore cannot be a nazi" type arguments?

It's not an argument, it's a matter of recognition. He doesn't fit the definition of a nazi so he's not a nazi. I didn't even mention Germany, by the way.

It's splitting hairs in order to distance and justify.

Dude regularly references nazi culture, hiels, and calls for ethnic cleansing. Really close enough in my book.
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"can you stop calling a meatball sub a sandwich?"
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He's not a Nazi, but he has no problem quoting their propaganda
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html

But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the children of the sun, a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were awakening to their own identity.

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. Mr. Spencer called out: Hail Trump! Hail our people! and then, Hail victory! the English translation of the Nazi exhortation Sieg Heil! The room shouted back.

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Antifar posted...

He's not a Nazi, but he has no problem quoting their propaganda
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html

But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the children of the sun, a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were awakening to their own identity.

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. Mr. Spencer called out: Hail Trump! Hail our people! and then, Hail victory! the English translation of the Nazi exhortation Sieg Heil! The room shouted back.

That's fine. Richard Spencer is a wackjob and a bad guy but he's not a nazi. Words are important.
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The left has basically taken the word Nazi to be code for any Trump supporter. This gives them an excuse to be violent, because punching Nazis is a good thing!

averagejoel posted...

"can you stop calling a meatball sub a sandwich?"

Fuck you, now I want a meatball sub.

I'm supposed to be dieting you know.
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Antifar posted...

He's not a Nazi, but he has no problem quoting their propaganda
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html

But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the children of the sun, a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were awakening to their own identity.

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. Mr. Spencer called out: Hail Trump! Hail our people! and then, Hail victory! the English translation of the Nazi exhortation Sieg Heil! The room shouted back.

No no no, don't you see? Nazis existed in 1930's Germany. Is it the 1930s? Is this Germany? No? Then he's not a Nazi!
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Richard Spencer is a Nazi.

Call hate by its name.

KazumaKiryu posted...

The left has basically taken the word Nazi to be code for any Trump supporter.

No, just the ones who do and say Nazi things.
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Hamilton literally died in a duel.

He's a Nazi sympathizer for sure.
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Tropicalwood posted...

I guess that means Obama is also a literal nazi.


Also, because the entire democrat party supports gun control, they must also be literal nazis.

We both know this is lazy bait and that you can do better.
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Tropicalwood posted...

Antifar posted...

He's not a Nazi, but he has no problem quoting their propaganda
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html

But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the children of the sun, a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were awakening to their own identity.

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. Mr. Spencer called out: Hail Trump! Hail our people! and then, Hail victory! the English translation of the Nazi exhortation Sieg Heil! The room shouted back.

I guess that means Obama is also a literal nazi.


Also, because the entire democrat party supports gun control, they must also be literal nazis.

no one should give a shit what the founding fathers thought about anything. they didn't know what a fucking germ was
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shockthemonkey posted...

Shut up

Tropicalwood posted...

Antifar posted...

We both know this is lazy bait and that you can do better.

You're clearly trying to assert that quoting something Hitler said makes him a nazi, so why are you, who supports one of Hitler's objectives not all of a sudden a nazi.

Stop this.

Tropicalwood posted...

I guess that means Obama is also a literal nazi.

Obama quoted Nazi propaganda, performed Nazi salutes and shouted "Seig Heil" (or the English translation of it)?

Also, gun restrictions were actually relaxed for most in Nazi Germany (Jews and the like being the obvious exceptions).

KazumaKiryu posted...

The left has basically taken the word Nazi to be code for any Trump supporter. This gives them an excuse to be violent, because punching Nazis is a good thing!

Just like those two alt-right neo-Nazis who were recently arrested for firing a gun at someone?
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Tropicalwood posted...

You're clearly trying to assert that quoting something Hitler said makes him a nazi, so why are you, who supports one of Hitler's objectives not all of a suddenly a literal nazi.

If you can't tell the difference between "quoting Nazi propaganda (and making a gleeful point of doing so in the original German) while railing against Jews," and "thinking we should step up background checks before people are allowed to buy guns," nothing I say in this topic will make you any smarter.
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this is a really bottom tier troll effort even for ce
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Imagine defending Richard Spencer, lmao

How low Trump has made people sink

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These Russian alt accounts are getting lazy.
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Kineth posted...

These Russian alt accounts are getting lazy.

XD That's good

Antifar posted...

Tropicalwood posted...

You're clearly trying to assert that quoting something Hitler said makes him a nazi, so why are you, who supports one of Hitler's objectives not all of a suddenly a literal nazi.

If you can't tell the difference between "quoting Nazi propaganda (and making a gleeful point of doing so in the original German) while railing against Jews," and "thinking we should step up background checks before people are allowed to buy guns," nothing I say in this topic will make you any smarter.

oh, don't try to act like your attempts to strip citizens of their rights are so righteous. You support the government throwing people in jail for 10 years because they have a handgun without rifling, they don't make them out of metal, have a 'feature' which means they have things from flash hiders to mag release buttons.

Don't you fucking dare says it's just about not allow a guy to own a gun because he went to prison, and might I add that means the federal government is violating the constitution outright.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

The left has basically taken the word Nazi to be code for any Trump supporter. This gives them an excuse to be violent, because punching Nazis is a good thing!

Like driving cars into crowds and shooting guns at citizens....

Oh wait..
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people are really against freedom of speech now?

Dampproof posted...

Like driving cars into crowds and shooting guns at citizens....

Oh wait..

Evidence has surfaced in the James Field's situation that his car was attacked before he accelerated and that Heather Heyer was not the person we initially thought was hit (and actually died of a heart attack). In the recent Florida case, the accusers even admitted to engaging in violence before the shot was fired. Considering Florida is a stand your ground state, the "shooter" will likely not be convicted of attempted murder if that is the case. I don't condone violence in any way, shape, or form, but we have to be aware of what is actually going on and actually keep up with the "sensational" stories as they develop.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Alt-Right actually likes the trend of calling everyone Nazis/ white supremacists. A good portion of the general population see that and it turns them against the people saying it. Additionally, since every republican candidate since G.W. Bush has been "literally a Nazi," no one takes the claim as seriously anymore. Once we hear political enemies being called Nazis enough, it starts to lose meaning, making it even easier for group like the Alt-Right to rise up.
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Evidence
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Tropicalwood posted...

oh, don't try to act like your attempts to strip citizens of their rights are so righteous. You support the government throwing people in jail for 10 years because they have a handgun without rifling, they don't make them out of metal, have a 'feature' which means they have things from flash hiders to mag release buttons.

My views on gun control are not what you believe them to be. I'm of the opinion that most laws regarding illegal handguns just serve to disproportionately put African Americans behind bars. I think reducing the amount of handguns out there would curb deaths from accidents, suicide, and domestic violence, but I'm wary of most policies that would give the government the power to go around confiscating guns and imprisoning people.

I'm not a fucking Democrat.
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PutUpYourDukes posted...

people are really against freedom of speech now?

Just leftists and Trump supporters
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Topics like these make me sad that StormFront is gone.
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hungryhippo223 posted...

Dampproof posted...

Like driving cars into crowds and shooting guns at citizens....

Oh wait..

Evidence has surfaced in the James Field's situation that his car was attacked before he accelerated and that Heather Heyer was not the person we initially thought was hit (and actually died of a heart attack). In the recent Florida case, the accusers even admitted to engaging in violence before the shot was fired. Considering Florida is a stand your ground state, the "shooter" will likely not be convicted of attempted murder if that is the case. I don't condone violence in any way, shape, or form, but we have to be aware of what is actually going on and actually keep up with the "sensational" stories as they develop.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Alt-Right actually likes the trend of calling everyone Nazis/ white supremacists. A good portion of the general population see that and it turns them against the people saying it. Additionally, since every republican candidate since G.W. Bush has been "literally a Nazi," no one takes the claim as seriously anymore. Once we hear political enemies being called Nazis enough, it starts to lose meaning, making it even easier for group like the Alt-Right to rise up.

so this guy claims the medical examiner lied about heather heyer dying due to blunt force injury seems he wants people to believe he wasnt even hit in the chest at all >_<
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PutUpYourDukes posted...

people are really against freedom of speech now?

Not me. Just because I disagree with him does not mean he can't speak. However freedom of speech does not mean you will get a platform for your speech.
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creativerealms posted...

PutUpYourDukes posted...

people are really against freedom of speech now?

Not me. Just because I disagree with him does not mean he can't speak. However freedom of speech does not mean you will get a platform for your speech.

That's true, but free speech also means that someone can't have their platform denied when they already have that. Now sure, that's not in the 1st amendment, but the letter of the law and the spirit of free speech are different things.
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PhlogPyro posted...

creativerealms posted...

PutUpYourDukes posted...

people are really against freedom of speech now?

Not me. Just because I disagree with him does not mean he can't speak. However freedom of speech does not mean you will get a platform for your speech.

That's true, but free speech also means that someone can't have their platform denied when they already have that. Now sure, that's not in the 1st amendment, but the letter of the law and the spirit of free speech are different things.

That sounds more like contract law than a matter of free speech, quite frankly.
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E32005 posted...

Evidence

surely this "evidence" doesn't only exist on Breitbart or some other alt-right propaganda site.
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marc55 posted...

Evidence has surfaced

Source?
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