Current Events > If drunk you is the real you then why do people use being drunk as an excuse?

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Drunk me isn't the real me.
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Drunk you isn't the real you, it's you without the self imposed mental limitations.
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Honestly I think tipsy/buzzed me is more "the real" me, than drunk me.
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KK_the_Slider posted...

Drunk you isn't the real you

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When they try that crap, don't accept it.
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Because you would never be your true self unless you were drunk. If you weren't drunk you would've restrained yourself
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The real me is a hugger that likes talking about Blazing Saddles and why St. Louis sucks. I'm fun at parties.
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Even if drunk you isn't the 'real you,' it still doesn't excuse shitty behavior, mitigate responsibility, or take the place of an apology.

This 'defense' fails on several levels.
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It's not the "real you", it's you without inhibitions and poor impulse control. The real you includes all those blocks and extra baggage.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

It's not the "real you", it's you without inhibitions and poor impulse control. The real you includes all those blocks and extra baggage.

This. Most people have a conscience, and being drunk factually restricts a person's decision making capabilities and limits such, so it isn't "the real you" despite what drunks claim
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hollow_shrine posted...

Even if drunk you isn't the 'real you,' it still doesn't excuse shitty behavior, mitigate responsibility, or take the place of an apology.

This 'defense' fails on several levels.

That defense definitely is valid. When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Even if drunk you isn't the 'real you,' it still doesn't excuse shitty behavior, mitigate responsibility, or take the place of an apology.

This 'defense' fails on several levels.

That defense definitely is valid. When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.

I see. And are you able to imagine a situation where your "feels over reals" might be superseded by some other rubric for judging one's individual behavior?
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hollow_shrine posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Even if drunk you isn't the 'real you,' it still doesn't excuse shitty behavior, mitigate responsibility, or take the place of an apology.

This 'defense' fails on several levels.

That defense definitely is valid. When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.

I see. And are you able to imagine a situation where your "feels over reals" might be superseded by some other rubric for judging one's individual behavior?

I don't think that mentality would be Trumped under any conditions. "Feels over reals" is a horribly disrespectful way to describe my approach though. You can't really fault someone for their actions if they are blackout drunk. They aren't in control at that point.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

I don't think that mentality would be Trumped under any conditions. "Feels over reals" is a horribly disrespectful way to describe my approach though. You can't really fault someone for their actions if they are blackout drunk. They aren't in control at that point.

You can fault someone for choosing to put themselves in a situation where they can't stop themselves from doing something stupid. You were in control when you chose to lose control. If you do dumb shit when you're not in control, that's your fault for putting yourself in that state in the first place.
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Panthera posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

I don't think that mentality would be Trumped under any conditions. "Feels over reals" is a horribly disrespectful way to describe my approach though. You can't really fault someone for their actions if they are blackout drunk. They aren't in control at that point.

You can fault someone for choosing to put themselves in a situation where they can't stop themselves from doing something stupid. You were in control when you chose to lose control. If you do dumb shit when you're not in control, that's your fault for putting yourself in that state in the first place.

When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.
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I believe the defense is absolutely valid, but you still have to live with the consequences.

I'm sure a lot of drink drivers would never get behind a wheel if they weren't impaired, but that doesn't bring bag Dead Little Johnny does it?

TheRealDill2000 posted...

When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.

My housemate does this and it's a solid dick head tactic IMO. I don't do it, but the amount of times I want to make him just apologize to someone and he'll be like "nope if this really happened where is your receipt"
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When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning.

your friends are shitty. they're coddling an irresponsible blackout drunk.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.

Your "true" friends are saps who are all too willing to let themselves be manipulated if you ever choose to take advantage of their naivety.

You do realize that your feelings do not rewrite reality, right? If you did something, you did it no matter what you want to say. If you kill someone while drunk, do you think they're still alive?
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Virus731 posted...

I believe the defense is absolutely valid, but you still have to live with the consequences.

I'm sure a lot of drink drivers would never get behind a wheel if they weren't impaired, but that doesn't bring bag Dead Little Johnny does it?

TheRealDill2000 posted...

When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.

My housemate does this and it's a solid dick head tactic IMO. I don't do it, but the amount of times I want to make him just apologize to someone and he'll be like "nope if this really happened where is your receipt"

This is just the most logical way to approach things. How does he know that the other party is being honest? Also, this can go both ways. People can do regrettably nice things while drunk too.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Panthera posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

I don't think that mentality would be Trumped under any conditions. "Feels over reals" is a horribly disrespectful way to describe my approach though. You can't really fault someone for their actions if they are blackout drunk. They aren't in control at that point.

You can fault someone for choosing to put themselves in a situation where they can't stop themselves from doing something stupid. You were in control when you chose to lose control. If you do dumb shit when you're not in control, that's your fault for putting yourself in that state in the first place.

When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.

looking forward to the inevitable dui
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Drunk me and sober me are the exact same guy except sober me is more coordinated and less likely to try something stupid on his bmx.

Tbh I'm not sure if drunk or sober is the more honest version of the average person.
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Panthera posted...

You do realize that your feelings do not rewrite reality, right? If you did something, you did it no matter what you want to say. If someone dies of natural causes while you're drunk, do you think they're still alive?

Huh?
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

People can do regrettably nice things while drunk too.

I once tipped an ugly waitress 40 bucks whole hammered cause I'd heard her telling someone on the phone earlier that she makes less than half what the other girls do (who were all hot as fuck).

I was making really good money then though.

Oh yeah and the table next to us were vocally bitching about getting the one ugly chick as a server. It was probly more that tbh.

Come to think I also once tipped a really hot chick 20 but we'd been drinking at that place for hours so percentage wise it wasn't that huge.
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hortanz posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.

looking forward to the inevitable dui

Unfortunately, cops aren't my friends. Been pulled over a couple of times and learned my lesson there after:
-1 warning
-1 instance in being allowed to call someone to pick me & my car up

It isn't worth having access to my car if I'm drinking heavily.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Panthera posted...

You do realize that your feelings do not rewrite reality, right? If you did something, you did it no matter what you want to say. If you kill someone while you're drunk, do you think they're still alive?

Huh?

Is the concept of responsibility really so hard for you to grasp that you literally can't process it and have to edit people's posts to pretend you were never exposed to the consequences of your selfish mindset?
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hollow_shrine posted...

And are you able to imagine a situation where your "feels over reals" might be superseded by some other rubric for judging one's individual behavior?

TheRealDill2000 posted...

I don't think that mentality would be Trumped under any conditions. "Feels over reals" is a horribly disrespectful way to describe my approach though. You can't really fault someone for their actions if they are blackout drunk. They aren't in control at that point.

hortanz posted...

looking forward to the inevitable dui

I'm glad someone considered the legal perspective. Seems relevant. Can you imagine any situations, now, where the opinions of your true friends might be superseded by some higher rubric of judgment?
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You've been lucky as fuck. Or have very lax dui laws where you live.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Even if drunk you isn't the 'real you,' it still doesn't excuse shitty behavior, mitigate responsibility, or take the place of an apology.

This 'defense' fails on several levels.

That defense definitely is valid. When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.

I see. And are you able to imagine a situation where your "feels over reals" might be superseded by some other rubric for judging one's individual behavior?

I don't think that mentality would be Trumped under any conditions. "Feels over reals" is a horribly disrespectful way to describe my approach though. You can't really fault someone for their actions if they are blackout drunk. They aren't in control at that point.

It's called don't drink until you get blackout drunk.

That defense I would accept for moderate assholeishness but not for rape, serious violence, drunk driving etc.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Even if drunk you isn't the 'real you,' it still doesn't excuse shitty behavior, mitigate responsibility, or take the place of an apology.

This 'defense' fails on several levels.

That defense definitely is valid. When I go overboard, I simply tell people "if I don't recall it, it didn't happen". My true friends accept that reasoning. Anyone who doesn't is irrelevant.

Do you also utilize the 'whatever happens in Vegas' defense? Lol. Your friends either have no self-esteem or they're doing bad things to you when you blackout. Oh wait, if you don't remember it then it never happened. Talk about self centered.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Even if drunk you isn't the 'real you,' it still doesn't excuse shitty behavior, mitigate responsibility, or take the place of an apology.

This 'defense' fails on several levels.

Most of the time when i see someone use this, it's less an excuse or a defence than an attempt at explaining they are genuine in their remorse.
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There's no "real you vs not real you." It's all just you.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

There's no "real you vs not real you." It's all just you.

Think the better distinction is simply "sober you" and "drunk you". Yeah it's still you, neither is more real than the other. Hell I doubt a "real you" even exists unless we involve simulations or cloning or some shit.

And people do know Dill is a troll right? Pretty sure dude doesn't even think drunk drivers should go to jail if caught.
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