Current Events > BioShock Infinite: Burial At Sea is the best worst DLC ever

(+) Yeah! (+)

It's a nice little campaign that lasts almost as long as the main game

But it also completely ruins the main game from a story perspective and doesn't play that much like the main game, silver lining I guess
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I think Infinite would have been a much better game if it was more like BAS. Not story-wise, but gameplay wise. The most interesting time I had in the game were the Boy of Silence areas which encouraged stealth-like gameplay.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

But it also completely ruins the main game from a story perspective

that sounds impossible
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Delirious_Beard posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

But it also completely ruins the main game from a story perspective

that sounds impossible

And yet they managed to do it by making everything canon

Fuck Ken Levine

Could never get over the success of the first game so he turned the sequel into one big love letter
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The whole story is shit. Elizabeth is a piece of shit. Glad she died after drowning an innocent Booker.
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Hmm, no, BaS was awesome.
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I don't share this opinion at all. I thought the DLC was fantastic and was among the best purchases I made for a game add-on, ever.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

The whole story is shit. Elizabeth is a piece of shit. Glad she died after drowning an innocent Booker.

Lolwut

You do know that was intended by both of them right
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Delirious_Beard posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

But it also completely ruins the main game from a story perspective

that sounds impossible

And yet they managed to do it by making everything canon

Fuck Ken Levine

Could never get over the success of the first game so he turned the sequel into one big love letter

no i mean it's impossible because infinite's story is so bad it can't be ruined
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

The whole story is shit. Elizabeth is a piece of shit. Glad she died after drowning an innocent Booker.

Lolwut

You do know that was intended by both of them right

How do you figure that? He barely realized the implications when it was too late. We don't get a straight, I'm cool with this thought. Anyways, Burial at Sea shows that downing him didn't matter one way or the other since there's infinite timelines.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

The whole story is shit. Elizabeth is a piece of shit. Glad she died after drowning an innocent Booker.

Lolwut

You do know that was intended by both of them right

innocent is a bit of a stretch..
Also, that's not even the same one. Infinite universes and all that. The Elizabeth who drowns isn't the same Elizabeth that drowned the "innocent" booker [who's actually kinda not that innocent considering he sold his daughter to pay off his debts, is one baptism away from being a psychotic racist tyrant, has few qualms about going on a murder spree... the list goes on. Hell even in the main story he's pretty shady].

Bioshock Infinite is shit
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ScarletTerror posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

The whole story is shit. Elizabeth is a piece of shit. Glad she died after drowning an innocent Booker.

Lolwut

You do know that was intended by both of them right

innocent is a bit of a stretch..
Also, that's not even the same one. Infinite universes and all that. The Elizabeth who drowns isn't the same Elizabeth that drowned the "innocent" booker [who's actually kinda not that innocent considering he sold his daughter to pay off his debts, is one baptism away from being a psychotic racist tyrant, has few qualms about going on a murder spree... the list goes on. Hell even in the main story he's pretty shady].

Been a while since I played it but I remember the Booker you play as is jumbled up tangent who doesn't remember anything.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

The whole story is shit. Elizabeth is a piece of shit. Glad she died after drowning an innocent Booker.

Lolwut

You do know that was intended by both of them right

How do you figure that? He barely realized the implications when it was too late. We don't get a straight, I'm cool with this thought. Anyways, Burial at Sea shows that downing him didn't matter one way or the other since there's infinite timelines.

The whole idea was to get to the point in the past where they could affect a timeline and stop him before he had made a choice, since both accepting and refusing the baptism created negative outcomes and therefore creating Comstock.

BAS was Elizabeth hunting down the Comstock that still existed in one of the dimensions because that one was an anomaly; most of the Comstocks that went straight for the baptism disappeared thanks to our Booker getting drowned.

No Comstock= no debt= Booker keeping Anna in the ending, fairly positive stuff.

Then Burial At Sea fucked it all up...
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I'm just going to say I appreciate how the quotes have taken two divergent paths in this topic in particular.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

No Comstock= no debt= Booker keeping Anna in the ending, fairly positive stuff.

Before Burial at Sea I felt like that was not the case. If there's no selling Anna then there's no Elizabeth to drown Booker. This is just simple time travel dilemma stuff.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Then Burial At Sea fucked it all up...

No it just confirmed the original story was shit. You were just delusional.
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DASUBERMACHT remembers
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But.... there are infinite universes.
So everything that happened is going to happen anyway no matter what they do. At best they can save one universe.

Even if they go back to the baptism and drown him, there's still a timeline where they didn't.

Basically nothing they do actually matters.

Also, the BAS part 2 elizabeth is a different one who was transported whole to, what is or appears to be the original bioshock universe. And since she doesn't have part of her in another universe she doesn't have power over tears.

but, all in all, it doesn't matter what they do. Which is probably why Rosalind Lutece was so annoyed and didn't want to row the boat to begin with. Also why she mentioned that doing something over and over despite failing each time was stupid. But I feel like Rosalind was mostly annoyed with the whole ordeal because if there are infinite universes it's all meaningless in the end anyway, cause every possible outcome if still going to happen anyway, so what does it matter if they try to change it?

It just means it was changed in that particular universe but the rest of them are still f***ed.

ScarletTerror posted...

Also, the BAS part 2 elizabeth is a different one who was transported whole to,

She says she was no longer omnipotent. I guess an argument can be made she's a tangent separate from the omnipotent PoSs.

Edit: Omnipotent is probably wrong word because they fucking couldn't tell it's all pointless.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

No Comstock= no debt= Booker keeping Anna in the ending, fairly positive stuff.

Before Burial at Sea I felt like that was not the case. If there's no selling Anna then there's no Elizabeth to drown Booker. This is just simple time travel dilemma stuff.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Then Burial At Sea fucked it all up...

No it just confirmed the original story was shit. You were just delusional.

The infinite universes come from that single decision that ComBooker made. By going back in time and negating that decision then they cancel out the alternate Bookers who took the baptism and those who didnt. Baby Anna and Elizabeth therefore exist on separate planes; hence why they all disappeared at the end too except for our Elizabeth, who is always the same one.

Dont go straight for the insults because youre trying to shitpost on an otherwise great game, this is about the mess of DLC that came from that game.
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apolloooo posted...

DASUBERMACHT remembers

Gosh that feels like a completely different time now.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

The infinite universes come from that single decision that ComBooker made.

Read that again and google oxymorons.
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I think people overblow the "infinite" universes thing. The story does indicate that there are universal constants, it's not a stretch to assume that the baptism is one of them.
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I've been through the main game a couple of times, but haven't got around to the DLC yet.

I'm not sure if I even want to now.
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Alright so I read the wikia on Booker, Booker when he sold Anna changed his mind immediately leading to the altercation with the pinky.

What he knew about what Comstock wanted with her, I don't remember, but at best just to adopt her. He also probably didn't know he was a corrupted religious man.

Then there's how the Booker takes a new job to retrieve Elizabeth, Robert Lutece wants to help her so there's no problem here.

Finally he forgets he sold her when he melds with a new reality. We could make a case he's a completely different person after the meld too.
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Burnt_Puke82 posted...

I've been through the main game a couple of times, but haven't got around to the DLC yet.

I'm not sure if I even want to now.

It's worth it just for playable Elizabeth.

I just hate the pseudo stealth mechanics and overwhelming fanservice to BioShock 1 to the point where they'd compromise all of what happened in Infinite just for it.
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Horse Armor
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Veggeta X posted...

Horse Armor

I said best worst not best best

Webmaster4531 posted...

Then there's how the Booker takes a new job to retrieve Elizabeth, Robert Lutece wants to help her so there's no problem here.

Finally he forgets he sold her when he melds with a new reality. We could make a case he's a completely different person after the meld too.

Comstock wanted Elizabeth because he was rendered infertile thanks to his tear abuse, so he arranged to pay for Booker's debt so he would be forced to give Anna over as payment.

He went through so many tears to be brought to Columbia via the Luteces that his memory was altered and he thought that "the girl" was Elizabeth instead of Anna and that "the debt" wasn't already paid yet.
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pegusus123456 posted...

I think people overblow the "infinite" universes thing. The story does indicate that there are universal constants, it's not a stretch to assume that the baptism is one of them.

And what exactly makes something a constant? It's just a complete asspull. And you'd think the goddess of time and space who single handedly defeated Songbird could've reacted fast enough to stop a fucking big daddy. And also, she shouldn't have existed after the main story anyway.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

The whole story is shit. Elizabeth is a piece of shit. Glad she died after drowning an innocent Booker.

More like she's a piece of shit that let the Comstock that was actively trying to be a good person die.
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GiftedACIII posted...

And what exactly makes something a constant?

Nothing. Or God. Or it just is. That's not something that needs an explanation.
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pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

And what exactly makes something a constant?

Nothing. Or God. Or it just is. That's not something that needs an explanation.

No, something like that needs explanation otherwise you just end up wondering why anything isn't a constant. Fuck, this game made no sense.
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I didn't even care about Infinite's story being messy because the game itself was fun as fuck
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apolloooo posted...

DASUBERMACHT remembers

I bet he remembers all that Elizabeth rule 34 I sent him.
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dave_is_slick posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

And what exactly makes something a constant?

Nothing. Or God. Or it just is. That's not something that needs an explanation.

No, something like that needs explanation otherwise you just end up wondering why anything isn't a constant. Fuck, this game made no sense.

It's fine to wonder why something isn't a constant and one thing is.

The story doesn't make sense, but this one aspect of it is fine.
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thronedfire2 posted...

I didn't even care about Infinite's story being messy because the game itself was fun as fuck

It was a massive step down from 2 and it was a massive step down from what they initially showed. It was bland and boring.
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@DASUBERMACHT caps
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

@DASUBERMACHT caps

RIP
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Burnt_Puke82 posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

@DASUBERMACHT caps

RIP

man whatever happened to him
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

Then there's how the Booker takes a new job to retrieve Elizabeth, Robert Lutece wants to help her so there's no problem here.

Finally he forgets he sold her when he melds with a new reality. We could make a case he's a completely different person after the meld too.

Comstock wanted Elizabeth because he was rendered infertile thanks to his tear abuse, so he arranged to pay for Booker's debt so he would be forced to give Anna over as payment.

He went through so many tears to be brought to Columbia via the Luteces that his memory was altered and he thought that "the girl" was Elizabeth instead of Anna and that "the debt" wasn't already paid yet.

Why did you delete where I said I didn't know what Booker(not Comstock) knew? As far as I remember Lutece said Father Comstock wanted his daughter.
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iirc pt1 was fun while pt2 sucked ass
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Burial at Sea Part 2 is one of the best DLCs ever. Up there with Undead Nightmare.

juicebox4 posted...

iirc pt1 was fun while pt2 sucked ass

I feel the opposite. Part 1 barely had any gameplay.

lamegimmickbro posted...

juicebox4 posted...

iirc pt1 was fun while pt2 sucked ass

I feel the opposite. Part 1 barely had any gameplay.

Pretty much, when you finally start getting into it boom, done.
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