Current Events > With Net Neutrality ending today I just wanted to say it was nice knowing yall

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I cant even afford gamefaqs gold how am I gonna afford the gamefaqs package
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GameFAQs Platinum >>> gold anyways
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It'll be the age of actual fake news and propaganda

I better get all the porn I can right now
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Dial up speeds on sites isp's don't like
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You guys know that all that will change is the internet will work like it did prior to February 2015, right
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inb4 repeal.
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Pretty sure contracts exist so Net Neutrality wont fuck us over until contracts are up.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

GameFAQs Platinum >>> gold anyways

What a pleb not on GameFAQs Diamond
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Mal_Fet posted...

You guys know that all that will change is the internet will work like it did prior to February 2015, right

I felt like correcting this post and then noticed it was Mal and it wouldn't matter anyway.
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Gamer99z posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

GameFAQs Platinum >>> gold anyways

What a pleb not on GameFAQs Diamond

How much are those
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Mal_Fet posted...

You guys know that all that will change is the internet will work like it did prior to February 2015, right

You mean like when ISPs throttled streaming services until they were paid not to do so, blocked VoIP services to force customers to buy their own POTS line service, and blocked peer to peer services?
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

You guys know that all that will change is the internet will work like it did prior to February 2015, right

I felt like correcting this post and then noticed it was Mal and it wouldn't matter anyway.

That's a nice way of saying you don't actually know what NN is about and you'd rather not research it before responding.
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CableZL posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

You guys know that all that will change is the internet will work like it did prior to February 2015, right

You mean like when ISPs throttled streaming services until they were paid not to do so, blocked VoIP services to force customers to buy their own POTS line service, and blocked peer to peer services?

Don't feed him
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CableZL posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

You guys know that all that will change is the internet will work like it did prior to February 2015, right

You mean like when ISPs throttled streaming services until they were paid not to do so, blocked VoIP services to force customers to buy their own POTS line service, and blocked peer to peer services?

Oh no, what ever will we do without uTorrent

ISPs will just be able to do exactly what domains can do right now. That's it.
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Touch posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

GameFAQs Platinum >>> gold anyways

What a pleb not on GameFAQs Diamond

How much are those

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Mal_Fet posted...

Oh no, what ever will we do without uTorrent

ISPs will just be able to do exactly what domains can do right now. That's it.

I like how you only addressed one of the concerns in that post. Care to address the others? uTorrent isn't the only peer to peer service. Skype is also a peer to peer service.
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CableZL posted...

I like how you only addressed one of the concerns in that post. Care to address the others?

Mal_Fet posted...

ISPs will just be able to do exactly what domains can do right now. That's it.

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This was supposed to be a thread of positivity and togetherness not the semantics of net neutrality I hate all of you GOSH
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ISPs will just be able to do exactly what domains can do right now. That's it.

Except we've actually seen ISPs do more than what domains can do without the 2015 net neutrality regulations in place. ISPs enable and manage transit traffic across the country and the world, which gives them much more power to block, throttle, and otherwise restrict communication as they see fit without the necessary regulations in place to say they can't do that.
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Touch posted...

This was supposed to be a thread of positivity and togetherness not the semantics of net neutrality I hate all of you GOSH

Mal tends to shit up whatever topic he posts in lol
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Net neutrality allows the FCC to regulate the internet.
Repealing net neutrality allows ISP to regulate the internet.

Regulation happens regardless.

You wont see immediate changes if net neutrality gets repealed today. ISP are not dumb. They will wait for the outrage to cool down.

That said, bow down to our new mega corp overlords.
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CableZL posted...

Except we've actually seen ISPs do more than what domains can do without the 2015 net neutrality regulations in place. ISPs enable and manage transit traffic across the country and the world, which gives them much more power to block, throttle, and otherwise restrict communication as they see fit without the necessary regulations in place to say they can't do that.

As opposed to the FCC which until today had complete control over all those things and is theoretically no less evil than any given private company would be.

Why do people want the Internet to be run like a utility? Water and electricity are basically free to gouge people for this exact reason.
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Touch posted...

Touch posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

GameFAQs Platinum >>> gold anyways

What a pleb not on GameFAQs Diamond

How much are those

Plat is 9.99/mo

Diamond is 1 bitcoin for a year
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Mal_Fet posted...

CableZL posted...

Except we've actually seen ISPs do more than what domains can do without the 2015 net neutrality regulations in place. ISPs enable and manage transit traffic across the country and the world, which gives them much more power to block, throttle, and otherwise restrict communication as they see fit without the necessary regulations in place to say they can't do that.

As opposed to the FCC which until today had complete control over all those things and is theoretically no less evil than any given private company would be.

What makes you say that? Putting a critical eye on the FCC is a lot easier than a cable provider.

Cable providers have a track history of being dickheads because they can. Repealing net neutrality wouldn't be an issue if they had real competition. Its makes no sense why someone would agree to transfer power to private cable companies.
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cerealbox760 posted...

What makes you say that? Putting a critical eye on the FCC is a lot easier than a cable provider.

How do you figure

At least people are able to change their ISP if they don't like their service. Unlike the govt; can't tell the FCC "actually I'm gonna go with someone else".

cerealbox760 posted...

Cable providers have a track history of being dickheads because they can.

But the Fed doesn't, right. We don't know what kind of shenanigans the govt could have gotten up to with NN in place because it has only been there for <2 years. I guarantee you I can come up with worse apocalypse scenarios with the government in control of internet traffic than the pro-NN people could.

cerealbox760 posted...

Repealing net neutrality wouldn't be an issue if they had real competition. Its makes no sense why someone would agree transfer power to private cable companies.

Because the free market (ideally) ensures competition will drive costs down and services up. And there's 5 different big ISPs in my city to choose from.

How many FCCs do you have the option to get?
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Mal_Fet posted...

At least people are able to change their ISP if they don't like their service

Lol
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I Like Toast posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

At least people are able to change their ISP if they don't like their service

Lol

Yes. Competition is a good thing.
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Mal_Fet posted...

At least people are able to change their ISP if they don't like their service. Unlike the govt; can't tell the FCC "actually I'm gonna go with someone else".

Unless you live in a rural area where all you have is Comcast
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Mal_Fet posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

What makes you say that? Putting a critical eye on the FCC is a lot easier than a cable provider.

How do you figure

At least people are able to change their ISP if they don't like their service. Unlike the govt; can't tell the FCC "actually I'm gonna go with someone else".

cerealbox760 posted...

Cable providers have a track history of being dickheads because they can.

But the Fed doesn't, right. We don't know what kind of shenanigans the govt could have gotten up to with NN in place because it has only been there for <2 years. I guarantee you I can come up with worse apocalypse scenarios with the government in control of internet traffic than the pro-NN people could.

cerealbox760 posted...

Repealing net neutrality wouldn't be an issue if they had real competition. Its makes no sense why someone would agree transfer power to private cable companies.

Because the free market (ideally) ensures competition will drive costs down and services up. And there's 5 different big ISPs in my city to choose from.

How many FCCs do you have the option to get?

Politicians running the FCC are disposable and replaceable. ISP are not. You might have the privilege of choosing between 5 ISP- many dont. Some only have one. Rural areas are in trouble again. Thats the irony.

Heres what I dont understand. If repealing net neutrality is supposed breed competition, why are mega corps pushing to get it repealed? Wouldn't it be in their best financial interest to keep competition low? Are cable companies running some sort of charity all the sudden?
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SavenForever posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

At least people are able to change their ISP if they don't like their service. Unlike the govt; can't tell the FCC "actually I'm gonna go with someone else".

Unless you live in a rural area where all you have is Comcast

May as well give the government control over all industries since somewhere there might be a podunk town with only one store of that industry in it.

Solid logic.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Because the free market (ideally) ensures competition will drive costs down and services up. And there's 5 different big ISPs in my city to choose from.

The internet service industry in the US is not a free market.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Yes. Competition is a good thing.

It's, to bad isp don't compete because they have regional monopolies
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CableZL posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Because the free market (ideally) ensures competition will drive costs down and services up. And there's 5 different big ISPs in my city to choose from.

The internet service industry in the US is not a free market.

True, we should make it freer.

Repealing NN is one way to do that.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Repealing NN is one way to do that

I Like Toast posted...

Lol

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Mal_Fet posted...

with NN in place because it has only been there for <2 years.

This is literally wrong, and exactly why no one should ever debate Mal or take him seriously.
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This just in: a company paying money to law makers to prevent competition is free market

Lmfao
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

You guys know that all that will change is the internet will work like it did prior to February 2015, right

I felt like correcting this post and then noticed it was Mal and it wouldn't matter anyway.

So true
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

with NN in place because it has only been there for <2 years.

This is literally wrong, and exactly why no one should ever debate Mal or take him seriously.

Do tell. Look up when the policy they are repealing now was put in place.
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Mal_Fet posted...

I Like Toast posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

At least people are able to change their ISP if they don't like their service

Lol

Yes. Competition is a good thing.

Many parts of the country don't have access to multiple high speed companies though. Myself included, why else would I have the shitty company I have now with a garbage data cap? Which I didn't have until a big company bought my small local ISP and made a deal with the city for tax breaks. My only option would be to switch to satellite which is significantly slower, goes out when it rains, and has an even smaller data cap.

My ISP could pretty much do anything and there's nothing I could do about it because I need internet for work and school purposes. And no amount of bitching would work, they're already got piss poor reviews all over the internet because of their data caps and shitty service. The only way they'd care is if somehow a notable chunk of people out here agreed to drop them, which since they're the only ISP isn't likely to happen.

Mal_Fet posted...

CableZL posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Because the free market (ideally) ensures competition will drive costs down and services up. And there's 5 different big ISPs in my city to choose from.

The internet service industry in the US is not a free market.

True, we should make it freer.

Repealing NN is one way to do that.

If argue at this point that the internet as a platform has become an essential part of modern life as well as a market of it's own, a market that maintaining NN would keep as free as possible for the large number of business that's done largely or exclusively online these days.
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Gamer99z posted...

Many parts of the country don't have access to multiple high speed companies though.

Mal_Fet posted...

May as well give the government control over all industries since somewhere there might be a podunk town with only one store of that industry in it.

Solid logic.

Gamer99z posted...

If argue at this point that the internet as a platform has become an essential part of modern life as well as a market of it's own, a market that maintaining NN would keep as free as possible for the large number of business that's done largely or exclusively online these days.

Look at the current state of how "free" electric and water companies are right now and ask yourself if that's really the kind of thing you want the internet to turn into.
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Also apparently Disney owns the freakin' world now.

They should buy WWE next.
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Why are people feeding malfet

Included in the death of net neutrality is the lack of consumer consent requiring internet providers to get customers permission before sharing their browsing history with other companies. The rules also required internet providers to protect that data from hackers and inform customers of any breaches.

Enjoy and endless wave of credit card and identity theft. Along with possibly disastrous shit like the Equifax fuck up. Only no one has to tell you now
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Mal_Fet posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Many parts of the country don't have access to multiple high speed companies though.

Mal_Fet posted...

May as well give the government control over all industries since somewhere there might be a podunk town with only one store of that industry in it.

Solid logic.

Gamer99z posted...

If argue at this point that the internet as a platform has become an essential part of modern life as well as a market of it's own, a market that maintaining NN would keep as free as possible for the large number of business that's done largely or exclusively online these days.

Look at the current state of how "free" electric and water companies are right now and ask yourself if that's really the kind of thing you want the internet to turn into.

But it's not just podunk towns. A large amount of the country has regional monopolies and duopolies.
To make an off topic point, it's hypocritical that many Trump supporters and people on the right made a big deal about supporting the EC which got Trump elected, talking about how important it is for middle America and the rust belt to he represented properly be even if they have less people and not be overpowered by the major cities and likes of Cali/NY. Then there's something like this where a good portion of middle America and the rust belt is fucked by these regional monopolies and now suddenly all those people in middle America don't matter and should take a backseat because major cities don't have have this problem.

How would NN specifically lead to the internet turning into something like that? Even disregarding NN specifically and just the specific point I'm making which is that the internet is a market of it's own, is necessary in modern life, and ISP's should be made to not discriminate traffic and offer their service as a level playing field in that regard with the source of competition stemming primarily through pricing and speed plans. How would that kill competition or hurt the free market?

And with all the regional monopolies ISP's might as well be like water or electric companies for most people. And the free market isn't doing shit to fix that issue in a high chunk of America.
Unless you want to argue that it's current regulations that are responsible for it being like that, and if that's your argument I'd like to know what specific regulations you think are holding back growth in those areas and what you'd change to fix it.
Because right now ISP's will just buy out little guys or even do more scummy things like throw frivolous lawsuits at them that take years and keep them from breaking ground and losing money as well as doing things like what my current ISP did and make a deal with the city out here for what iirc is an exclusive contract until 2020 or something. What regulations need to be removed to fix that problem that many Americans fall into?
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itachi15243 posted...

Enjoy and endless wave of credit card and identity theft

You mean what has already been happening? Like of all the arguments you could have gone with you picked the dumbest possible one.
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Gamer99z posted...

But it's not just podunk towns. A large amount of the country has regional monopolies and duopolies.
To make an off topic point, it's hypocritical that many Trump supporters and people on the right made a big deal about supporting the EC which got Trump elected, talking about how important it is for middle America and the rust belt to he represented properly be even if they have less people and not be overpowered by the major cities and likes of Cali/NY. Then there's something like this where a good portion of middle America and the rust belt is fucked by these regional monopolies and now suddenly all those people in middle America don't matter and should take a backseat because major cities don't have have this problem.

I have no clue how the EC fits into this, but middle America isn't fucked because of ISPs. Wanting the internet as a service to work like a utility would basically guarantee a state of affairs like electric companies have now: no competition anywhere and they can raise their prices ad nauseum and you can't do anything about it.

Gamer99z posted...

Because right now ISP's will just buy out little guys or even do more scummy things like throw frivolous lawsuits at them that take years and keep them from breaking ground and losing money as well as doing things like what my current ISP did and make a deal with the city out here for what iirc is an exclusive contract until 2020 or something. What regulations need to be removed to fix that problem that many Americans fall into?

Literally none of this is prevented by Net Neutrality.

However, making internet service a utility WILL eventually lead to worse regional monopolies than we have now. Again, like water and power.
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Mal_Fet posted...

I have no clue how the EC fits into this, but middle America isn't fucked because of ISPs. Wanting the internet as a service to work like a utility would basically guarantee a state of affairs like electric companies have now: no competition anywhere and they can raise their prices ad nauseum and you can't do anything about it.

The EC thing was just me going off topic like I said.
Where am I saying that the internet should be regulated like electric companies though? I specified exactly what I'm proposing:
Gamer99z posted...

How would NN specifically lead to the internet turning into something like that? Even disregarding NN specifically and just the specific point I'm making which is that the internet is a market of it's own, is necessary in modern life, and ISP's should be made to not discriminate traffic and offer their service as a level playing field in that regard with the source of competition stemming primarily through pricing and speed plans. How would that kill competition or hurt the free market?

How would that lead to an electric company situation?

Mal_Fet posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Because right now ISP's will just buy out little guys or even do more scummy things like throw frivolous lawsuits at them that take years and keep them from breaking ground and losing money as well as doing things like what my current ISP did and make a deal with the city out here for what iirc is an exclusive contract until 2020 or something. What regulations need to be removed to fix that problem that many Americans fall into?

Literally none of this is prevented by Net Neutrality.

I know, that's the entire point I was making. That's the current issue facing a good portion of America in regards to internet access. How is repealing NN and making the internet more "free" as you'd see it to be, going to help that or how is An causing any of that?
Since we both know the answer to that is it won't and it isn't, what specific regulations do you think need to be removed to fix that problem? Because to me it seems like no amount of deregulation would help that, in the case of all those regional monopolies the issue is that they're too big and not letting anyone else into the market. When something like that happens, that's when you need consumer protections to kick in.
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another "why the fuck did you vote for this dude" decision from the grand overlord admin.
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I still hate all of you
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