Current Events > I have Dishonored 1/2 but never played them because of the no-kill potential.

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Basically I feel like it's gonna drive me crazy trying to go on a no-kill route because the game will inevitably scold me for it even though it's intended game design

Should I just YOLO it and see how I end up playing after all
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I actually feel the exact same way and had this convo irl a few days ago
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I did a mostly no-kill + stealth run through Dishonored. My only kill was early on when some rats apparently ate a guard I knocked out or something. Or maybe he fell in water and drowned. I don't know.

At no point does the game scold you for not killing someone.
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I had that problem with the first one. I wish I just dealt with the consequences instead of getting worked up about minimizing kills.
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MacadamianNut3 posted...

I actually feel the exact same way and had this convo irl a few days ago

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Esrac posted...

I did a mostly no-kill + stealth run through Dishonored. My only kill was early on when some rats apparently ate a guard I knocked out or something. Or maybe he fell in water and drowned. I don't know.

At no point does the game scold you for not killing someone.

Is the ending drastic because of a few kills

I remember BioShock making me feel like a dick because I harvested 2 Little Sisters and saved the rest
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Honestly Dishonored 1 doesn't scold you very much

2 does.

But the game is so easy that it hardly matters.

I beat Dishonored 2 first time ghost, no kills and no powers. And there was only 1 or 2 places that were difficult (and one of them was because I didn't realize killing robots didn't count as killing)

And Im not bragging, the game is just super duper easy.

My advice: Play 2 simutanious playthroughs. The game is short so this doesn't matter.

Play a level, go no kill (even ghost if you're good enough) and take your time. Do the sidequests. Explore. Etc. Roleplay like you care.

Then once you've completed the level, play it again on another save and go donkey monkey bananas massacring everyone. And let off the built up tension of the first run.

Honestly playing Dishonored like a manaic you can beat the game really really quickly because its so short and stealth focused.

I will say that if you care about story, don't worry because all the endings suck
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Does playing as Corvo/Emily in 2 make the game easier/harder
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This is basically why I don't play a lot of stealth games. I get hung up on doing everything perfectly.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Is the ending drastic because of a few kills

Ehhh... No
Sort of spoilers below.

The ending is a generic shot of some images as a voice over goes "AND THEN THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED!"

It's short and uninteresting and there are 3 variables depending on how much "chaos" you caused during the game. A few kills won't make a difference but several kills causes "Medium" chaos and loads of kills causes "High" Chaos.

This also effects minor things throughout the game, such as how many rats there are and how horrible the NPCs treat each other.
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eston posted...

This is basically why I don't play a lot of stealth games. I get hung up on doing everything perfectly.

Last stealth-anal game I played was The Last of Us on Grounded, where it basically was a stealth game the entire time
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tbh it's not that bad in dishonored. you will have to reload a lot though until you get your results but it's fun at least in dishonored 1
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Does playing as Corvo/Emily in 2 make the game easier/harder

I played as Emily with no powers, ghost, no kills in Dishonored 2 and it was super easy

Then I played as Corvo massacring everyone with super powers and it was super easy.

So.... No not really, the game is super easy even with no powers. It only effects what powers you have and they don't seem to make much difference.

IIRC: Corvo has a teleport while Emily has a Spiderman webswing like thing, so I guess Corvo is better? But it hardly matters.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Esrac posted...

I did a mostly no-kill + stealth run through Dishonored. My only kill was early on when some rats apparently ate a guard I knocked out or something. Or maybe he fell in water and drowned. I don't know.

At no point does the game scold you for not killing someone.

Is the ending drastic because of a few kills

I remember BioShock making me feel like a dick because I harvested 2 Little Sisters and saved the rest

No, you'd have to get a lot of kills to get the dark ending. A few here or there doesn't make a real difference.

The only thing is there is an achievement for going through the game with 0 kills and never alerting guards. So, unless you care about getting that achievement, a couple kills won't matter.

It's also arguably easier to go with the no killing route because the non-lethal means of incapacitation are quieter than the lethal ones, so you'll attract less attention.
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Just some advice (unless you don't want the game broken)

Crouch everywhere
Dark Vision is insanely overpowered.
Blink (or whatever the teleport is called) is insanely overpowered.

Max up Bink and Dark Vision and you can see everyone and go everywhere. Then if you crouch you can easily sneak past or KO literally anyone.

I think the main reason people screw themselves in Dishonored 1 is they automatically go for the more cool sounding spells, which end up being kinda useless.

Ooh you can summon a tornado or turn into a dog to get past a guard and a fence..... OR you know you could just teleport behind it.

Oooh you could freeze time and shoot 5 guards at once!.... or you could just teleport above them and walk past...
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Thanks y'all

Time to crack these bad boys open

BTW is the DLC chapter thing with the black woman on the cover in 2 worth it
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I am such the opposite. I love games that have a no kill option. Deus Ex HR and MD I got those trophies.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

BTW is the DLC chapter thing with the black woman on the cover in 2 worth it

How much is it?

I played it and liked it but you're not missing much if you don't play it. Just "more of the same" a couple more levels and a medicore story.

I'd say play DS1 and 2. And if you want more levels after beating them then get it. If you don't then don't bother.

There's absolutely no reason to buy it before you've played DS1 and 2.

Do you have the DLC for Dishonored 1? It's not great but it's the set up for D2 and kinda relies on you knowing it.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I am such the opposite. I love games that have a no kill option. Deus Ex HR and MD I got those trophies.

Ever played the original Deus Ex?

I won't say it was the first because people will jump up my butt if I did, but it was the game that popularized non-killing options and characters reacted to you differently based on if you killed people or not.
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I've actually been playing through it just a couple days ago. I'm so mad I got screwed out of the Ghost achievement because I talked to Granny Rags on level 2 (my 3rd playthrough and it's the first time I've seen her), and doing that puts you in a situation on one of the last levels where you HAVE to either kill or alert an enemy. I got the Clean Hands cheevo, but I'm not playing through the whole game again.
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Oh yeah, played the original as well. Such a great fucking game.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I am such the opposite. I love games that have a no kill option. Deus Ex HR and MD I got those trophies.

Ever played the original Deus Ex?

I won't say it was the first because people will jump up my butt if I did, but it was the game that popularized non-killing options and characters reacted to you differently based on if you killed people or not.

after playing it for the first time this year and stressing about lethal vs non lethal, there are only like two or three instances where being non-lethal has any difference in the game lol

if you're non lethal in the first area then you get an extra ammo clip for being non lethal
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iirc the penalty in dishonored 1 for killing a lot isnt too bad. i think it's mostly just more rats and more guards, which makes sense because it kind of scales the difficulty towards your playstyle (if you're aggressive, the game makes being aggressive more challenging).

i dont remember the impact it has on the story, but tbh dishonored has a cheesy story anyway so it's not a big deal
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drunkmuggle posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I am such the opposite. I love games that have a no kill option. Deus Ex HR and MD I got those trophies.

Ever played the original Deus Ex?

I won't say it was the first because people will jump up my butt if I did, but it was the game that popularized non-killing options and characters reacted to you differently based on if you killed people or not.

after playing it for the first time this year and stressing about lethal vs non lethal, there are only like two or three instances where being non-lethal has any difference in the game lol

if you're non lethal in the first area then you get an extra ammo clip for being non lethal

That's kinda what I like about it though.

Lethal vs non-lethal doesn't cause a different ending or make you grow scars on your face.

It's just literally like, whether or not your brother and collegues respect you.

That's actually more powerful.

Dishonored 2 spoiler warning for TC:

When that game scolded me over and over and over and over for killing. I didn't care, it was dumb. But then there was one moment where your wife says she no longer cares what you do because you're a monster and not who used to be. I actually felt bad and sad. She didn't scold you, she just no longer loved and respected you and said so bluntly and emotionlessly. You were dead to her.

Thats much more poweful than "and then the world went to shit! You freak!" as an ending.

deupd_u posted...

I've actually been playing through it just a couple days ago. I'm so mad I got screwed out of the Ghost achievement because I talked to Granny Rags on level 2 (my 3rd playthrough and it's the first time I've seen her), and doing that puts you in a situation on one of the last levels where you HAVE to either kill or alert an enemy. I got the Clean Hands cheevo, but I'm not playing through the whole game again.

I don't think this is true.

I spoke to Granny rags and still got ghost... I can't remember the scenario but I am sure you can get out. Freeze time or teleport or something.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I spoke to Granny rags and still got ghost... I can't remember the scenario but I am sure you can get out. Freeze time or teleport or something.

Spoliers
I started her missions because I thought I could do them without killing, but then she wanted me to poison something, so I just stopped. Then on the level where you lose your stuff, right at the end, I had to get a key from her. The only way she gives it up is if you kill Slackjaw. You can't pickpocket her, or she turns into an alerted enemy. I used a sleep dart on Slackjaw and she gave the key, but it counted as a kill.
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drunkmuggle posted...

after playing it for the first time this year and stressing about lethal vs non lethal, there are only like two or three instances where being non-lethal has any difference in the game lol

if you're non lethal in the first area then you get an extra ammo clip for being non lethal

mechanically, the differences are few, but paul/tong/lebedev/whats-his-face-quartermaster all react very differently to you if you massacre the NSF

getting lebedev to be willing to talk to you is particularly valuable as he shares a lot of critical information that you otherwise don't get at all
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eston posted...

This is basically why I don't play a lot of stealth games. I get hung up on doing everything perfectly.

This is me too. I'm like the TC, I tried dishonored 1 and got annoyed I didn't clear the first level outside of the prison 100% stealth and didn't have the desire to go back and try the 2nd level.
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Jiggy101011 posted...

eston posted...

This is basically why I don't play a lot of stealth games. I get hung up on doing everything perfectly.

This is me too. I'm like the TC, I tried dishonored 1 and got annoyed I didn't clear the first level outside of the prison 100% stealth and didn't have the desire to go back and try the 2nd level.

Then just keep going without ghost.

Also try MGS2 and 3.

The only rewards for no kills are minor and not plot.
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Darkman124 posted...

drunkmuggle posted...

after playing it for the first time this year and stressing about lethal vs non lethal, there are only like two or three instances where being non-lethal has any difference in the game lol

if you're non lethal in the first area then you get an extra ammo clip for being non lethal

mechanically, the differences are few, but paul/tong/lebedev/whats-his-face-quartermaster all react very differently to you if you massacre the NSF

getting lebedev to be willing to talk to you is particularly valuable as he shares a lot of critical information that you otherwise don't get at all

It still bugs me that you have to kill Anna and Bob

Why go to so much effort with so many options and then make it impossible to be fully non lethal?
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...bob?

do you mean gunther

the helios ending very much does not have you killing page
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Darkman124 posted...

...bob?

do you mean gunther

the helios ending very much does not have you killing page

And if you hack the game or use exploits you don't kill Anna either.

But canonically Denton kills him. Even if you pick Helios, which canonically JC did, Page still dies as a direct result of you picking Helious.

There was supposed to be a 4th ending where you turn evil and side with him but it was cut for time.

Although I do love the irony of a game having a non-lethal option which requires you to pick the evil ending.
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