Current Events > Trump administration bars Haitians from U.S. visas for low-skilled work

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voldothegr8 01/18/18 12:40:22 AM #1:	https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-haiti/trump-administration-bars-haitians-from-u-s-visas-for-low-skilled-work-idUSKBN1F702O Haitians will no longer be eligible for U.S. visas given to low-skilled workers, the Trump administration said on Wednesday, bringing an end to a small-scale effort to employ Haitians in the United States after a catastrophic 2010 earthquake. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced the change less than a week after President Donald Trump reportedly questioned in an Oval Office meeting why the United States would want to take in immigrants from Haiti and African nations, referring to them as shithole countries. Trump has denied using that word. DHS said in a regulatory filing that it was removing Haiti from lists of more than 80 countries whose citizens can be granted H-2A and H-2B visas, given to seasonal workers in agriculture and other industries. It cited what it said were high levels of fraud and abuse by Haitians with the visas, and a high rate of overstaying the terms of their visas. A DHS report published last year stated that Haitians on a variety of non-immigrant visas, including H-2As and H-2Bs, had a roughly 40 percent visa overstay rate in the 2016 fiscal year. Belize and Samoa were also removed from the lists, for risks stemming from human trafficking and not taking back nationals ordered removed from the United States, respectively. Just a few dozen Haitians entered the United States on the visas each year since they were given permission to do so in 2012 by the Obama administration, according to DHS data. Sixty-five Haitians entered the United States on H-2A visas, given for agricultural work, in the 2016 fiscal year, according to DHS data, and 54 Haitians were granted H-2A visas by the State Department between March and November 2017. The number of Haitians entering in 2016 on H-2B visas, which are for non-agricultural seasonal work, was more than zero but too low to report, according to DHS. Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 0 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:894275371] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><quote>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-haiti/trump-administration-bars-haitians-from-u-s-visas-for-low-skilled-work-idUSKBN1F702O Haitians will no longer be eligible for U.S. visas given to low-skilled workers, the Trump administration said on Wednesday, bringing an end to a small-scale effort to employ Haitians in the United States after a catastrophic 2010 earthquake. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced the change less than a week after President Donald Trump reportedly questioned in an Oval Office meeting why the United States would want to take in immigrants from Haiti and African nations, referring to them as shithole countries. Trump has denied using that word. DHS said in a regulatory filing that it was removing Haiti from lists of more than 80 countries whose citizens can be granted H-2A and H-2B visas, given to seasonal workers in agriculture and other industries. It cited what it said were high levels of fraud and abuse by Haitians with the visas, and a high rate of overstaying the terms of their visas. A DHS report published last year stated that Haitians on a variety of non-immigrant visas, including H-2As and H-2Bs, had a roughly 40 percent visa overstay rate in the 2016 fiscal year. Belize and Samoa were also removed from the lists, for risks stemming from human trafficking and not taking back nationals ordered removed from the United States, respectively. Just a few dozen Haitians entered the United States on the visas each year since they were given permission to do so in 2012 by the Obama administration, according to DHS data. Sixty-five Haitians entered the United States on H-2A visas, given for agricultural work, in the 2016 fiscal year, according to DHS data, and 54 Haitians were granted H-2A visas by the State Department between March and November 2017. The number of Haitians entering in 2016 on H-2B visas, which are for non-agricultural seasonal work, was more than zero but too low to report, according to DHS. </quote> Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 01/18/18 7:19:38 AM #2:	voldothegr8 posted... Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it. They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out? --- Sometimes people come along and they want to change things. I am one of those people and I will assist in furthering our country for the better. - Xsquader <cite>iClockwork posted [p:894286581] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it.</quote> They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ilovu 01/18/18 7:26:34 AM #3:	iClockwork posted... voldothegr8 posted... Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it. They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out? wrong skin colour <cite>ilovu posted [p:894286744] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it.</quote> They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out?</quote> wrong skin colour</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRealDill2000 01/18/18 7:37:53 AM #4:	iClockwork posted... voldothegr8 posted... Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it. They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out? These jobs can be given to AMERICAN citizens now. How is that not a good thing? --- CE's source of sage-ly advice #BLM <cite>TheRealDill2000 posted [p:894287046] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote> Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it.</quote> They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out?</quote> These jobs can be given to AMERICAN citizens now. How is that not a good thing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 01/18/18 7:51:02 AM #5:	TheRealDill2000 posted... These jobs can be given to AMERICAN citizens now. How is that not a good thing? It's no better or worse than Haitians getting them. The employer still has his product made or service role filled which contributes to the economy. Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means. Shouldn't the American lace up his boots and obtain a skill so he doesn't have to work this low skilled job? --- Sometimes people come along and they want to change things. I am one of those people and I will assist in furthering our country for the better. - Xsquader <cite>iClockwork posted [p:894287406] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote>These jobs can be given to AMERICAN citizens now. How is that not a good thing? </quote> It's no better or worse than Haitians getting them. The employer still has his product made or service role filled which contributes to the economy. Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means. Shouldn't the American lace up his boots and obtain a skill so he doesn't have to work this low skilled job?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 01/18/18 7:54:07 AM #7:	iClockwork posted... voldothegr8 posted... Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it. They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out? It's in the OP It cited what it said were high levels of fraud and abuse by Haitians with the visas, and a high rate of overstaying the terms of their visas. A DHS report published last year stated that Haitians on a variety of non-immigrant visas, including H-2As and H-2Bs, had a roughly 40 percent visa overstay rate in the 2016 fiscal year. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 0 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:894287487] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it.</quote> They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out?</quote> It's in the OP <quote>It cited what it said were high levels of fraud and abuse by Haitians with the visas, and a high rate of overstaying the terms of their visas. A DHS report published last year stated that Haitians on a variety of non-immigrant visas, including H-2As and H-2Bs, had a roughly 40 percent visa overstay rate in the 2016 fiscal year.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eat More Beef 01/18/18 7:57:44 AM #8:	I'm all for allowing immigrants from any walk of life into my country (Canada) if they wish to work and support the government by paying taxes; however I'm okay with this move. For one, it doesn't affect more than 100 people, and two, the data shows that 40% overstayed their visa in the fiscal year of 2016. Like, why is the blame on the US government when the people from Haiti are responsible for fucking it up for their own country folk? Sometimes, all ot takes is a few people to bone the rest of the population by making it necessary to put stricter rules in place. --- I wrote a horror short story collection. You can check it out, and other free short stories at http://www.aarondeck.com <cite>Eat More Beef posted [p:894287598] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote>I'm all for allowing immigrants from any walk of life into my country (Canada) if they wish to work and support the government by paying taxes; however I'm okay with this move. For one, it doesn't affect more than 100 people, and two, the data shows that 40% overstayed their visa in the fiscal year of 2016. Like, why is the blame on the US government when the people from Haiti are responsible for fucking it up for their own country folk? Sometimes, all ot takes is a few people to bone the rest of the population by making it necessary to put stricter rules in place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 01/18/18 7:58:20 AM #9:	Good --- Him being greedy is a good thing. That means he'll want to spend less and help us get out of this debt. Gamefreak36 <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:894287617] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote>Good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrBobGray 01/18/18 7:59:16 AM #10:	Fine by me. --- Do you have Prince Albert in a can? <cite>MrBobGray posted [p:894287652] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote>Fine by me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 01/18/18 7:59:24 AM #11:	voldothegr8 posted... iClockwork posted... voldothegr8 posted... Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it. They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out? It's in the OP It cited what it said were high levels of fraud and abuse by Haitians with the visas, and a high rate of overstaying the terms of their visas. A DHS report published last year stated that Haitians on a variety of non-immigrant visas, including H-2As and H-2Bs, had a roughly 40 percent visa overstay rate in the 2016 fiscal year. Fair, next --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:894287656] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it.</quote> They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out?</quote> It's in the OP <quote>It cited what it said were high levels of fraud and abuse by Haitians with the visas, and a high rate of overstaying the terms of their visas. A DHS report published last year stated that Haitians on a variety of non-immigrant visas, including H-2As and H-2Bs, had a roughly 40 percent visa overstay rate in the 2016 fiscal year.</quote></quote> Fair, next</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 01/18/18 8:55:07 AM #12:	iClockwork posted... Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means. ...because this is America? How is that a question? --- http://www.warwithwords.com He Who Leads: Global Ebook Award Winner:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CE0TLLM <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:894289512] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote> Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means. </quote> ...because this is America? How is that a question?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 01/18/18 9:00:02 AM #14:	Isn't a lot of this money being sent home, taken out of the U.S. economy as well? Not that I have a problem with a weird round about way to help with the recovery effort but that country needs a fucking regime change. There's no reason that island should be a massive tourist destination. Their economy should be fucking thriving. Anyways, seems easier to fight the fraud than tell the ~100 people/y to go fuck themselves. Fighting fraud requires constant vigilance anyways. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:894289692] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote>Isn't a lot of this money being sent home, taken out of the U.S. economy as well? Not that I have a problem with a weird round about way to help with the recovery effort but that country needs a fucking regime change. There's no reason that island should be a massive tourist destination. Their economy should be fucking thriving. Anyways, seems easier to fight the fraud than tell the ~100 people/y to go fuck themselves. Fighting fraud requires constant vigilance anyways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 01/18/18 9:00:44 AM #15:	Imagine being this petty because your racism was exposed, but Trump gonna Trump and the coors light & skoal crowd will eat it up --- alt-right is not synonymous with "white supremacist" or "neo-Nazi,"- The Admiral <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:894289718] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote>Imagine being this petty because your racism was exposed, but Trump gonna Trump and the coors light & skoal crowd will eat it up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 01/18/18 9:02:38 AM #16:	Knowledge_King posted... ...because this is America? How is that a question? And the best part about America is we accept people from all across the world to come and help build a better life for themselves. "Because this is America" defeats your own argument. --- Sometimes people come along and they want to change things. I am one of those people and I will assist in furthering our country for the better. - Xsquader <cite>iClockwork posted [p:894289794] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>...because this is America? How is that a question? </quote> And the best part about America is we accept people from all across the world to come and help build a better life for themselves. "Because this is America" defeats your own argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 01/18/18 9:10:15 AM #17:	They do this yet they don't look to penalize businesses who employ illegal workers regularly. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:894290058] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote>They do this yet they don't look to penalize businesses who employ illegal workers regularly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 01/18/18 9:15:01 AM #19:	shockthemonkey posted... Kineth posted... They do this yet they don't look to penalize businesses who employ illegal workers regularly. Thats the part of the immigration debate that both sides like to ignore in fear of attacking business. Yeah, sorta funny that they would rather be closer to being racist rather than solve the problem and look like they're anti-business, which ends up with the detractors advocating for anti-worker sentiment while claiming to be pro-business. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:894290249] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>They do this yet they don't look to penalize businesses who employ illegal workers regularly.</quote> Thats the part of the immigration debate that both sides like to ignore in fear of attacking business.</quote> Yeah, sorta funny that they would rather be closer to being racist rather than solve the problem and look like they're anti-business, which ends up with the detractors advocating for anti-worker sentiment while claiming to be pro-business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
J E S U S 01/18/18 9:55:22 AM #20:	Trump clearly financed that medical trip to Haiti in 2014 to help restore eyesight for people just so they could see him deny them entry into America --- imaginary <cite>J E S U S posted [p:894291917] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote>Trump clearly financed that medical trip to Haiti in 2014 to help restore eyesight for people just so they could see him deny them entry into America</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eat More Beef 01/18/18 10:02:33 AM #21:	shockthemonkey posted... Reminder that these visas are for employers who cant find employees, so giving these jobs to Americans isnt a real option. Well now. I never knew this. I'm still okay with them denying Haiti on the basis of the 40% that overstay as long as the visas go to a country that follows the rules set in place. I'm curious though, why even have that type of visa in place? Like, what right does someone have to complain about not having a job when there are jobs available? I understand that a lot of theae jobs suck, but I've worked plenty of shit jobs to make ends meet. It's not ideal, but it's something you gotta do sometimes. --- I wrote a horror short story collection. You can check it out, and other free short stories at http://www.aarondeck.com <cite>Eat More Beef posted [p:894292273] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Reminder that these visas are for employers who cant find employees, so giving these jobs to Americans isnt a real option.</quote> Well now. I never knew this. I'm still okay with them denying Haiti on the basis of the 40% that overstay as long as the visas go to a country that follows the rules set in place. I'm curious though, why even have that type of visa in place? Like, what right does someone have to complain about not having a job when there are jobs available? I understand that a lot of theae jobs suck, but I've worked plenty of shit jobs to make ends meet. It's not ideal, but it's something you gotta do sometimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 01/18/18 10:03:02 AM #22:	It's funny because it looks like a direct result of Trump's comment. I'm sure it's just a coincidence but damn. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:894292287] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote>It's funny because it looks like a direct result of Trump's comment. I'm sure it's just a coincidence but damn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRealDill2000 01/18/18 12:26:29 PM #23:	iClockwork posted... Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means. We believe in America first around these parts --- CE's source of sage-ly advice #BLM <cite>TheRealDill2000 posted [p:894300013] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means.</quote> We believe in America first around these parts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 01/18/18 12:28:38 PM #24:	voldothegr8 posted... It cited what it said were high levels of fraud and abuse by Haitians with the visas, and a high rate of overstaying the terms of their visas. Break da rules feel da rules --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:894300147] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>It cited what it said were high levels of fraud and abuse by Haitians with the visas, and a high rate of overstaying the terms of their visas.</quote> Break da rules feel da rules</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daftpunk_mk5 01/18/18 12:30:06 PM #25:	iClockwork posted... voldothegr8 posted... Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it. They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out? Work visas were never meant to be used for low skilled work. --- Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees... all we know is, he's called the Stig. <cite>daftpunk_mk5 posted [p:894300249] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it.</quote> They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out?</quote> Work visas were never meant to be used for low skilled work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 01/18/18 12:32:21 PM #26:	ilovu posted... iClockwork posted... voldothegr8 posted... Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it. They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out? wrong skin colour Trump's America: Whites Only --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:894300387] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>ilovu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Less than 100 people per year are effected by this, I'm ok with it.</quote> They obtain their entry through legal means. What reasoning is there for keeping these 100 people per year out?</quote> wrong skin colour</quote> Trump's America: Whites Only</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cleat76 01/18/18 12:32:54 PM #27:	If they only admitted 50 people a year then those statistics are highly vulnerable to noise, when 10 people can change your statistic 20% it's hard to make sweeping generalizations. --- http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-28-2014/zO9vqR.gif <cite>cleat76 posted [p:894300421] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote>If they only admitted 50 people a year then those statistics are highly vulnerable to noise, when 10 people can change your statistic 20% it's hard to make sweeping generalizations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 01/18/18 12:51:16 PM #28:	TheRealDill2000 posted... iClockwork posted... Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means. We believe in America first around these parts But when Americans don't even want those jobs? --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:894301538] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means.</quote> We believe in America first around these parts</quote> But when Americans don't even want those jobs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRealDill2000 01/18/18 6:36:09 PM #29:	creativerealms posted... TheRealDill2000 posted... iClockwork posted... Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means. We believe in America first around these parts But when Americans don't even want those jobs? Raise wages to increase demand --- CE's source of sage-ly advice #BLM <cite>TheRealDill2000 posted [p:894323090] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote> Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means. </quote> We believe in America first around these parts</quote> But when Americans don't even want those jobs?</quote> Raise wages to increase demand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 01/18/18 6:59:01 PM #30:	iClockwork posted... Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means. Because they live in America. Jesus Christ. Our citizens should always come first. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:894324473] in Trump admi... [t:76214162]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Why should Americans be preferred over Haitians who obtain work through legal means.</quote> Because they live in America. Jesus Christ. Our citizens should always come first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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