Board 8 > Deus Ex - New Between Life and Games review!

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I recently beat Deus Ex, and I've just reviewed it. Here's the intro:

The best game ever made outside of Japan. Thats Deus Ex in a sentence. I am always one who appreciates a great story above all else in a game, and Deus Ex delivers. Unlike most Western games whose story fails to offer anything compelling, Deus Ex takes this traditional weak point and makes it the highlight. Even more impressive is the time point in which the game came out 2000 when not even the September 11 attacks had happened, a long time before the so-called conspiracy theories had taken real traction on the internet. And the game presents a compelling one, which now, 18 years later, seems closer to the truth than ever. In 2000, no doubt a vast majority of people thought the UN a benevolent organisation. Now, when only those not paying attention at all still believe so, you cant help saying Deus Ex was right!

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Great game!
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"In 2000, no doubt a vast majority of people thought the UN a benevolent organisation. Now, when only those not paying attention at all still believe so, you cant help saying Deus Ex was right!"

I guess I'm not paying attention, then. Not that I would have called it benevolent, precisely, but I have no idea why that's different now than in 2000.

I get just the vaguest impression that you really liked the story. I know you're trying to avoid spoilers, but you don't exactly indicate what it is about the story that's so great beyond JC having good one-liners and the villains being well done. Unless, of course, you're just really impressed with the idea that the UN is portrayed as evil.
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I always try to avoid spoilers, and am a bit wary to even give out as much as I did... The fact that the game reflects reality in a way few, if any games have is the main reason I like it. Even more impressive is that they pulled this off in 2000, when the internet wasn't as big, and much fewer people could put the pieces of the geopolitical puzzle together. Today, it only takes a few hours of reading facts others have already systemised - some of them UN's own documents as they grew bolder in the last decade or so - to see that the UN is nothing but a tool of the globalists. Back then, before even September 11th and the subsequent plays (Afghanistan and Iraq invasions) that made things quite apparent, you'd probably need to dig for weeks.
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So it's all about their treatment of the UN, then.
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Quite a topic from someone on record as hating politics in games.
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How hard do you really think it was to be aware of global politics in 1999?

The real difficulty they faced was the hordes of gamers attacking and threatening them for injecting politics into gaming
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September 11th 2001 - the day conspiracy theories were invented
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azuarc posted...

So it's all about their treatment of the UN, then.

No. It's about the accurate reflection of reality, as well as the overall message in support of freedom.

Kenri posted...

Quite a topic from someone on record as hating politics in games.

If you want to call putting popular and widely accepted ideals like Kojima's pacifism and Deus Ex's glorifying of freedom "politics in games," whatever. It's when unpopular and unnatural politics (e.g. SJW nonsense) are forced down gamers' throats that the games become trash.

foolm0r0n posted...

How hard do you really think it was to be aware of global politics in 1999?

As I said, much harder than today.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

September 11th 2001 - the day conspiracy theories were invented

More like the day after which globalists started revealing their cards. For a while, they believed they had the game won, too. :)
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Vlado posted...

It's when unpopular and unnatural politics (e.g. SJW nonsense) are forced down gamers' throats that the games become trash.

The politics that Warren Spector and Kojima forced into their games was highly unpopular at the time. That's why they had such impact and brought the medium forward beyond mere entertainment. They actually took a risk and had a message.

You're only playing these games 20 years later for some reason so you are missing all the context and think the games are just confirming your beliefs. No, these games went against popular belief and received a lot of opposition to reveal the truth, which eventually became the common belief that you find so obvious today. Just like the ideas you attack and reject today reveal truths that will be common belief 20 years from now.
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really interested to see how vlado ignores the inherent politics of cyberpunk and deus ex when they're even more blatant in the sequel

vlado please tell the class what massive anti-capitalist protest in 1999 inspired the developers of deus ex
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Vlado despises capitalism so you prob won't gotcha him on that one
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Vlado posted...

If you want to call putting popular and widely accepted ideals like Kojima's pacifism and Deus Ex's glorifying of freedom "politics in games," whatever. It's when unpopular and unnatural politics (e.g. SJW nonsense) are forced down gamers' throats that the games become trash.

what does "unnatural politics" even mean
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Kenri posted...

Vlado posted...

If you want to call putting popular and widely accepted ideals like Kojima's pacifism and Deus Ex's glorifying of freedom "politics in games," whatever. It's when unpopular and unnatural politics (e.g. SJW nonsense) are forced down gamers' throats that the games become trash.

what does "unnatural politics" even mean

Anything that he disagrees with
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foolm0r0n posted...

The politics that Warren Spector and Kojima forced into their games was highly unpopular at the time.

Pacifism was unpopular in the late 80s/90s? lmfao. Likewise, while Spector's story itself was very original, nothing that he celebrates - freedom, choice, fighting for the little man over the powerful corporations, was ever unpopular.

Placing normal people's ideals on a pedestal and building amazing stories around them is what made Kojima and Spector successful.

foolm0r0n posted...

Just like the ideas you attack and reject today reveal truths that will be common belief 20 years from now.

Dream on. Even you can't deny the reality of the world today. There's massive blowback against globalism, elections everywhere clearly show it. Even in the most oppressed countries like Germany and soon Sweden, the right wing is steadily gaining ground.

Kenri posted...

Vlado posted...

If you want to call putting popular and widely accepted ideals like Kojima's pacifism and Deus Ex's glorifying of freedom "politics in games," whatever. It's when unpopular and unnatural politics (e.g. SJW nonsense) are forced down gamers' throats that the games become trash.

what does "unnatural politics" even mean

adjective
1.
contrary to the laws or course of nature.

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what does "politics contrary to the laws or course of nature" even mean
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trdl23 posted...

Anything that he disagrees with

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Anything that goes against biology and self-perservation, e.g. SJW crap.
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don't worry vlado, trdl's got you
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Deus Ex doesn't really "glorify" anything... it gives you options, including the "join the illuminati and rule the world with an iron fist" option
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Vlado posted...

Pacifism was unpopular in the late 80s/90s

duh lmao

ever heard of the middle east?
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Vlado posted...

Dream on

All I'm saying is that when your kids review Gone Home on their gaming website in 15 years, they will laud its audacious commitment to truth
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Pacifism has never been popular

And isnt the biologically natural thing to fight each other for dominance? Animals are not pacifists
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The ordinary person has always wanted to live in peace. It's hilarious how desperately you are grasping in your attempts to pick a fight with me.
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You realize that pacifism means you dont even fight back in self-defense?
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opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes

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Right, you are opposed to war, even if its your country being attacked
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Wrong. Pacifism is not the willingness to be destroyed. It's the desire to avoid war. Obviously, when war is forced upon you such as when you're attacked, you have not avoided war whether you fight back or be an idiot and lie down and die.

Whatever you are talking about is neither pacifism, nor was glorified by Kojima, so it's irrelevant here.
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So would you guess that, if polled, only a very small amount of Americans would support war with North Korea?

Honest question, not a gatcha. I dont have any poll numbers
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http://news.gallup.com/poll/219134/back-military-action-north-korea-2003.aspx

58% would back war "if peaceful means fail," whatever that means.

What's even more baffling is that 38% believed in September 2017 that North Korea would attack the US in the next 6 months.
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How is that baffling? The media and government were hyping that shit up like crazy. And Americans are war thirsty. You're not American so you don't really get it.
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Vlado posted...

Anything that goes against biology

So why are you using cars and planes?

Man was not meant to travel at those speeds nor fly.
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Really low-level trolling.
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So why do you keep writing these reviews then
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Timely and insightful review, nice work Vlado.
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Tokoyami posted...

So why do you keep writing these reviews then

Vlado posted...

Really low-level trolling.

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Great game! :)
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