Current Events > Sex dolls: At what point is it beyond just sexual stimulation?

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/samantha-sex-robot-molested_us_59cec9f9e4b06791bb10a268
https://nypost.com/2017/10/09/sex-doll-brothel-owner-says-visitors-have-disturbing-requests/

I also saw a Daily Show piece last month on sex dolls that made me think of this topic when I saw that XDolls topic.

What is your opinion on the idea of making sex dolls that allow users to act out on fantasies that would otherwise be illegal to act out on living people, such as abuse or pedophelia? Would such a product serve as a release for those desires or as an enabler?
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CyricZ posted...

Would such a product serve as a release for those desires or as an enabler?

i think that's the core factor to this entire debate. have any studies been done on this? this same debate applies to loli stuff. it's a hard question and i dont have enough knowledge to provide a confident response.
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this may be neither there nor here, but rape fantasies aren't uncommon for people to perform with each other so the emphasis on that in that one article was a bit odd to me
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3pdp and over 25 is getting insecure
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A sex doll brothel? Nah, fuck that. I don't want sloppy seconds with a doll.
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Making a doll to look like a kid so a pedophile can act on his desires is very controversial because the doll could be considered child pornography.

If some dude wants to act out his rape fantasy or some other form of violence on a doll who gives a fuck. It's behind closed doors and no ones business.
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I don't see how you could make it illegal. I feel like it would a slippery slope to mean any activity that is evocative of an illegal activity isn't allowed.
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Asherlee10 posted...

But, I have no issue with sex dolls and whatever people want to do with them. Pretty much, it's win/win for people. Those that prefer to have a sex doll over having a relationship with a person are removed from the dating pool.

TBF I'm not sure the vast majority of those guys would be in the dating pool to begin with. I'd assume most people that would go exclusively for sex dolls would be the forever alone type right? I say this knowing there have been a few cases where a dude left his wife for a sex doll, but I'm talking the average "sex doll only" type of guy.
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can't wait for the vr and sex doll singularity

ill never have to leave the house again
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DarkProto05 posted...

Making a doll to look like a kid so a pedophile can act on his desires is very controversial because the doll could be considered child pornography.

If some dude wants to act out his rape fantasy or some other form of violence on a doll who gives a fuck. It's behind closed doors and no ones business.

It shouldn't be consider cp the same way hentai shouldn't be considered cp lmao
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Asherlee10 posted...

Those that prefer to have a sex doll over having a relationship with a person are removed from the dating pool.

Why can't a guy have both though? Why does it have to be one or the other?
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If it leads to less abuse then you'd be an idiot to be against it
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How about, and here's a novel thought, if it's not hurting a real person, everyone just fucks off with their authoritarian bull shit?
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DarkProto05 posted...

Making a doll to look like a kid so a pedophile can act on his desires is very controversial because the doll could be considered child pornography.

If some dude wants to act out his rape fantasy or some other form of violence on a doll who gives a fuck. It's behind closed doors and no ones business.

As mentioned the debate is, will it hinder or enable bad behavior with real people.

Some people play violent video games and act them out. Some don't.
Some people can have one drink and stop. Some can't.

In either scenario with the knowledge that either of those scenarios were true of someone, would you give them Manhunt or a shot of whiskey?

Controlled unbiased studies need to be done on a larger pool of people to see which is the case. If even the smallest amount of people are encouraged to act out rape on a man or women, or molest a child then I am all for banning the damn things personally. As always the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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People who have mental health problems deserve to be put in into a mental hospital.
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Would such a product serve as a release for those desires or as an enabler?

i think it's so easy to imagine both because both could easily happen, and probably will. i think the closest comparisons we have right now involve either near-beer or e-cigs, which absolutely do not work for everyone.

i think it's foolish to assume that nothing bad will happen if we suddenly give predatory people a means to ideation and practice. and it's irresponsible to look at this in a 'break a few eggs' way. that said, the comparison to addiction aids like the aforementioned e-cigs isn't necessarily perfect because with those habits the damage is already done, by this i mean: the alcohol is already consumed, the pack is already smoked daily.

tl;dr: both. it will give an outlet to the people that seek one, and will act as a preventative. damage is curbed. people are given counseling before they can hurt anyone. but the truly vicious people probably don't even bother with them.

i think we have to put the responsibility on the individual here. it's not the clinic's fault if you find some way to trick them and you hoard five doses of methadone. but then again, i'm treating these dolls as if they were medical equipment and part of a program.
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You can stab a sex doll 17 times while fucking it sideways and I still wouldn't give a fuck. Well maybe a little. I wouldn't want to be in a room with a guy who does that. o_O
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DarkProto05 posted...

Making a doll to look like a kid so a pedophile can act on his desires is very controversial because the doll could be considered child pornography.

If some dude wants to act out his rape fantasy or some other form of violence on a doll who gives a fuck. It's behind closed doors and no ones business.

so rape is okay but pedophilia isn't?

this is the problem with this debate; either it's all okay it none of it is. they can't just draw an arbitrary line somewhere and say this is fine but this isn't.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

this is the problem with this debate; either it's all okay it none of it is. they can't just draw an arbitrary line somewhere and say this is fine but this isn't.

agreed 100%, we as a society need to take a hard, definitive stance on this kind of thing, you cant really take a relativistic stance or else you land in the grey area with deepfakes, sex dolls, etc

personally i think we need to do away with commodifying & commercializing sex but that'll never happen
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Muffinz0rz posted...

DarkProto05 posted...

Making a doll to look like a kid so a pedophile can act on his desires is very controversial because the doll could be considered child pornography.

If some dude wants to act out his rape fantasy or some other form of violence on a doll who gives a fuck. It's behind closed doors and no ones business.

so rape is okay but pedophilia isn't?

this is the problem with this debate; either it's all okay it none of it is. they can't just draw an arbitrary line somewhere and say this is fine but this isn't.

Neither is fine.
The people who have these morbid fantasies, simply need to be put into a mental hospital for the rest of their lives.
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the only people who hate the idea of sex dolls are aging 3dpd
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Muffinz0rz posted...

DarkProto05 posted...

Making a doll to look like a kid so a pedophile can act on his desires is very controversial because the doll could be considered child pornography.

If some dude wants to act out his rape fantasy or some other form of violence on a doll who gives a fuck. It's behind closed doors and no ones business.

so rape is okay but pedophilia isn't?

this is the problem with this debate; either it's all okay it none of it is. they can't just draw an arbitrary line somewhere and say this is fine but this isn't.

Lol we're talking about dolls here. Neither is fine, but it's not considered rape if it's a fucking doll.
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Romulox28 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

this is the problem with this debate; either it's all okay it none of it is. they can't just draw an arbitrary line somewhere and say this is fine but this isn't.

agreed 100%, we as a society need to take a hard, definitive stance on this kind of thing, you cant really take a relativistic stance or else you land in the grey area with deepfakes, sex dolls, etc

personally i think we need to do away with commodifying & commercializing sex but that'll never happen

Take a hard stance? It's not anyone's business if a guy wants to fuck a doll. If dolls get banned then we have to ban sex toys for females too.
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DarkProto05 posted...

Romulox28 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

this is the problem with this debate; either it's all okay it none of it is. they can't just draw an arbitrary line somewhere and say this is fine but this isn't.

agreed 100%, we as a society need to take a hard, definitive stance on this kind of thing, you cant really take a relativistic stance or else you land in the grey area with deepfakes, sex dolls, etc

personally i think we need to do away with commodifying & commercializing sex but that'll never happen

Take a hard stance? It's not anyone's business if a guy wants to fuck a doll. If dolls get banned then we have to ban sex toys for females too.

Fucking a doll is one thing.
Having a rape fantasy is something else.
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Romulox28 posted...

personally i think we need to do away with commodifying & commercializing sex but that'll never happen

As long as there's a demand, there will be a supply. Sex is one of our deepest personal demands.

Personally, I'm for legalized and regulated sex work. The sooner we get sex out of the world of the taboo and start having healthy conversations about it is when we can get to this point. This is speaking as someone who doesn't get much sex in his life, so take that as you will.
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Pancake posted...

Would such a product serve as a release for those desires or as an enabler?

i think it's so easy to imagine both because both could easily happen, and probably will. i think the closest comparisons we have right now involve either near-beer or e-cigs, which absolutely do not work for everyone.

i think it's foolish to assume that nothing bad will happen if we suddenly give predatory people a means to ideation and practice. and it's irresponsible to look at this in a 'break a few eggs' way. that said, the comparison to addiction aids like the aforementioned e-cigs isn't necessarily perfect because with those habits the damage is already done, by this i mean: the alcohol is already consumed, the pack is already smoked daily.

tl;dr: both. it will give an outlet to the people that seek one, and will act as a preventative. damage is curbed. people are given counseling before they can hurt anyone. but the truly vicious people probably don't even bother with them.

i think we have to put the responsibility on the individual here. it's not the clinic's fault if you find some way to trick them and you hoard five doses of methadone. but then again, i'm treating these dolls as if they were medical equipment and part of a program.

This is where I lean. I think dolls might help people that have just fantasized about rape or pedophilia but have not acted on it. I think the lack of acting on it, seems that the person realizes that it is wrong. In those cases maybe it will curb action. But to give an actual pedophile or rapist that has acted on their fantasy a doll and say "here" and not think it is an enabler, is just as ignorant as encouraging a 20 year sober person to drink when they have a traumatic event happen to them.

Still yet, do we want to risk the encouragement of such sexual perversions, on the off chance it might help some not act out?
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They're dolls, not androids with feelings.

This shouldn't be an issue.

DarkProto05 posted...

Take a hard stance? It's not anyone's business if a guy wants to fuck a doll. If dolls get banned then we have to ban sex toys for females too.

read the article, the guy runs a "brothel" full of sex dolls where people pay him money to act out their rape/violent fantasies on the dolls. what is the endgame here, besides the owner making profit?

even for sex dolls, it's a slippery slope. we can say they're not hurting anyone, but i feel with that argument you're not seeing the big picture

CyricZ posted...

Personally, I'm for legalized and regulated sex work. The sooner we get sex out of the world of the taboo and start having healthy conversations about it is when we can get to this point. This is speaking as someone who doesn't get much sex in his life, so take that as you will.

to each his own, i think as a civilized, modern society we need to move past this, sex work is exploitation at its finest
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Fucking a doll is one thing.
Having a rape fantasy is something else.

Lots of men have this fantasy and the majority do not act on it. If they want to act it out with a doll who cares because a doll doesn't have rights. Speculating that sex dolls would encourage them to act out on real people is just speculating and the sale of these dolls shouldn't be banned based on your fears. The opposite seems more likely; if they act out their aggressions on dolls they're desire to be aggressive with real people will be drastically reduced.
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But to give an actual pedophile or rapist that has acted on their fantasy a doll and say "here" and not think it is an enabler, is just as ignorant as encouraging a 20 year sober person to drink when they have a traumatic event happen to them.

this is primarily why i hinged my argument around them being part of a program.
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DarkProto05 posted...

Fucking a doll is one thing.
Having a rape fantasy is something else.

Lots of men have this fantasy and the majority do not act on it. If they want to act it out with a doll who cares because a doll doesn't have rights. Speculating that sex dolls would encourage them to act out on real people is just speculating and the sale of these dolls shouldn't be banned based on your fears. The opposite seems more likely; if they act out their aggressions on dolls they're desire to be aggressive with real people will be drastically reduced.

Question is, can you prove that bit of knowledge?
Who's to say it won't encourage them to act on real people?
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DarkProto05 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

DarkProto05 posted...

Making a doll to look like a kid so a pedophile can act on his desires is very controversial because the doll could be considered child pornography.

If some dude wants to act out his rape fantasy or some other form of violence on a doll who gives a fuck. It's behind closed doors and no ones business.

so rape is okay but pedophilia isn't?

this is the problem with this debate; either it's all okay it none of it is. they can't just draw an arbitrary line somewhere and say this is fine but this isn't.

Lol we're talking about dolls here. Neither is fine, but it's not considered rape if it's a fucking doll.

It's also not CP if it's some scraps of metal and plastic. Like, how do you even tell the "age"? "Oh this doll looks 12"? CP is not based on appearances.
Romulox28 posted...

there will be some creeps printing out pics of their next door neighbor's small child to make a sex doll out of her or something like that.

I think this should be illegal already for intrusion of privacy.
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Pancake posted...

But to give an actual pedophile or rapist that has acted on their fantasy a doll and say "here" and not think it is an enabler, is just as ignorant as encouraging a 20 year sober person to drink when they have a traumatic event happen to them.

this is primarily why i hinged my argument around them being part of a program.

Oh I agree. And was agreeing with your overall comment. If there is therapy of mental illness behind these, then yes, I want people to get help. Mental illness is something I deal with daily and getting help should always be encouraged and available to anyone that wants it.

I should have been more clear that the statement you quoted was more aimed at those hand waving any criticism of people acting out sexual perversions like rape and pedophilia in this thread.
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read the article, the guy runs a "brothel" full of sex dolls where people pay him money to act out their rape/violent fantasies on the dolls. what is the endgame here, besides the owner making profit?

Nothing wrong with having these fantasies and acting them out on a doll.

even for sex dolls, it's a slippery slope. i bet in the next few years we will hear about places making custom sex dolls, and there will be some creeps printing out pics of their next door neighbor's small child to make a sex doll out of her or something like that.

The place making custom dolls should refuse to make something like that.

Rape fantasies are normal among men, women, and everyone in between and as long as folks aren't acting out on real people I don't think your moral compass should affect what people do.
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I feel like this discussion about sex dolls enabling/curtailing sexual fantasies can be compared to video games.
Is someone who plays shooters more or less likely to act violently in real life?
Is someone who plays racing games more or less likely to drive recklessly in real life?
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Darkrobotisback posted...

DarkProto05 posted...

Fucking a doll is one thing.
Having a rape fantasy is something else.

Lots of men have this fantasy and the majority do not act on it. If they want to act it out with a doll who cares because a doll doesn't have rights. Speculating that sex dolls would encourage them to act out on real people is just speculating and the sale of these dolls shouldn't be banned based on your fears. The opposite seems more likely; if they act out their aggressions on dolls they're desire to be aggressive with real people will be drastically reduced.

Question is, can you prove that bit of knowledge?
Who's to say it won't encourage them to act on real people?

We don't truly know which way people will be swayed. So brothels and the sale of sex dolls shouldn't be banned based on assumptions.

Based on the personal experiences of myself and people I know playing a shooter or a game just as violent helps relieve us. That person that annoys us to hell; we don't feel like cursing him out anymore after playing a violent game. It's a very small sample but I believe if you have an aggressive way to relieve yourself you're less likely to be aggressive IRL
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DarkProto05 posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

DarkProto05 posted...

Fucking a doll is one thing.
Having a rape fantasy is something else.

Lots of men have this fantasy and the majority do not act on it. If they want to act it out with a doll who cares because a doll doesn't have rights. Speculating that sex dolls would encourage them to act out on real people is just speculating and the sale of these dolls shouldn't be banned based on your fears. The opposite seems more likely; if they act out their aggressions on dolls they're desire to be aggressive with real people will be drastically reduced.

Question is, can you prove that bit of knowledge?
Who's to say it won't encourage them to act on real people?

We don't truly know which way people will be swayed. So brothels and the sale of sex dolls shouldn't be banned based on assumptions.

The question is why "should we care" on how sex dolls sways people with pedophile/rape fantasies? These kind of people are clearly not sane by any means? Why not put them in an environment where they cannot act on their fantasy?
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