Board 8 > Finally watched The Last Jedi

(+) Yeah! (+)

that was...alright.

i kind of really didn't care about anything happening at all

and something about the writing rubbed me the wrong way. the script seems to have been...disneyfied? characters making quips that take you out of the moment or see borderline out of character.

i went in knowing it had a mixed reception from fans, but just in general...i've already forgotten what happened. the big twist and all the moments that felt like they were meant to be big were delivered kind of lukewarmly...but it's setting up for some big things in ep9 i guess

it just really felt like a transitional movie
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i am probably going to watch rogue one today, too

that movie seems like it will have a more focused pacing
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Last Jedi is the best since Empire Strikes Back. Rogue One is dumb with an illogical plot and the blandest characters possible.
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OliviaTremor posted...

Last Jedi is the best since Empire Strikes Back. Rogue One is dumb with an illogical plot and the blandest characters possible.

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Overall it seemed pretty bland to me.

The only reason why I was in suspense the whole movie was because I thought Nein nunb died and I was looking out for him the entire time.

while he never made an appearance throughout the whole movie, he showed up in the end in the Millennium Falcon talking to Finn in the last shot
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It sucked but hey its Disney so to be expected
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FlyingForever posted...

It sucked but hey its Disney so to be expected

be more 14 years old
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The stakes for The Last Jedi were just so low its hard to say it'll be a particularly memorable movie.
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Weakupedia posted...

and something about the writing rubbed me the wrong way. the script seems to have been...disneyfied? characters making quips that take you out of the moment or see borderline out of character.

this i can get behind

but while i didn't necessarily care about anything happening, but the throne room scene was awesome
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red13n posted...

The stakes for The Last Jedi were just so low its hard to say it'll be a particularly memorable movie.

Am I just misinterpreting things, or is the Rebellion literally like two dozen people by the end of the movie?

Hell, even the First Order seems like it might barely number in the hundreds after the hyperdrive scene.
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How were the stakes low? Wvery single important person in the Rebellion was on that ship that was about to die. This was further exemplified quite well when they were on the planet, sent out the distress call and no one came.

What would you call high stakes because that seems pretty high. I care about the rebellion, I didn't care about the three unnamed planets that were introduced for 10 seconds just to immediately be destroyed by the starkiller in episode 7. At least with Alderaan we knew it was Leia's home planet.
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The whole "stakes" concept has never made much sense to me when it comes to justifying caring about a movie. Like, one of the best movies ever made is about a guy who wants to get his rug back.

Beyond that I actually find it actively unappealing when movies needlessly crank the stakes too high. You can have a compelling story without the world/all life in the universe being at risk every time. When everyone just dials it up to 11 by default, you start to get numb to it.
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Weakupedia posted...

that was...alright.

i kind of really didn't care about anything happening at all

This sums up my feelings exactly.
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Xiahou Shake posted...

Beyond that I actually find it actively unappealing when movies needlessly crank the stakes too high. You can have a compelling story without the world/all life in the universe being at risk every time. When everyone just dials it up to 11 by default, you start to get numb to it.

this is exactly what TLJ did, though. and it had all its most important characters survive by dumb luck.

it also seems to remove the importance of consequence from the canon. episode 7 has the resistance dealing a tremendous blow to the first order, yet for some reason the resistance in worse condition than ever merely days chronologically later.
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Episode 7 is a lame retread of Episode 4. At least Episode 8 was relatively new with a unique concept and stuff.

Also if you can't tell I think very little of Star Wars. Most of the movies are mediocre, some bad, one good and two I consider great.
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red13n posted...

The stakes for The Last Jedi were just so low its hard to say it'll be a particularly memorable movie.

This is just straight wrong
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Well, I think TFA was "traditional" Star Wars, while TLJ tries to tell a more small-scale, personal story but isn't sure how to do it.

I mean, I'm pretty damn sure the Rebellion IS just a few dozen people by the end, and that the First Order has lost not only their planet-killer weapon, but also their supreme leader, their capital (Snoke's ship is considered their capital, IIRC), and many of their largest ships - to the extent that the final army they send down to wipe out the Rebellion on the salt planet looks really small and pathetic.

And despite that, they're still trying to tell a "fate of the galaxy" story even though the rest of the galaxy doesn't seem to give a shit - which is also quite at odds with the First Order actually destroying the Galactic Senate in TFA. In terms of actual plot points and overall themes, it's just kind of a mess between the two movies.
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I liked it more than the average Star Wars movie, but honestly the average Star Wars movie isn't very good. There are exactly two movies that the fanbase can universally agree on being better than average.

Lots of complaints are levied against Luke being cynical and not wanting to get involved, but I don't know what else the movie was supposed to do with him. TFA already made it a fact that he was chilling on a rock in god-knows-where while all the important stuff was shappening.
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Which Star Wars movie am I thinking of?

- Hero goes to a remote planet to train with a Jedi master who at first doesn't want to take on the apprentice but then reluctantly agrees.
- The hero has to go down into a hole to face something dark.
- The antagonist character reveals the truth about the hero's parentage.
- The bad guys chase the good guys through space and they cannot use their hyperdrive to escape.
- There is a battle with rebels in trenches and speeders versus walkers on a white planet. The rebels lose the battle and have to escape out the back.
- Guy and his female love interest go to a wealthy planet to seek out the help of a gambler character. They are betrayed and captured by the bad guys.
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Weakupedia posted...

i am probably going to watch rogue one today, too

that movie seems like it will have a more focused pacing

oof
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KingBartz posted...

Which Star Wars movie am I thinking of?

- Hero goes to a remote planet to train with a Jedi master who at first doesn't want to take on the apprentice but then reluctantly agrees.
- The hero has to go down into a hole to face something dark.
- The antagonist character reveals the truth about the hero's parentage.
- The bad guys chase the good guys through space and they cannot use their hyperdrive to escape.
- There is a battle with rebels in trenches and speeders versus walkers on a white planet. The rebels lose the battle and have to escape out the back.
- Guy and his female love interest go to a wealthy planet to seek out the help of a gambler character. They are betrayed and captured by the bad guys.

tbf you can do basically the exact same thing with ANH/TFA
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Reg posted...

tbf you can do basically the exact same thing with ANH/TFA

Yeah, but I haven't seen a single person levy the complaint that ESB/TLJ are too similar, whereas that was a very common complaint with TFA.
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I mean I noticed it on opening night but I didn't think it was a big deal when TFA did it either so I never made a big deal about it

I wouldn't say it's a copy/paste ripoff in either case but TLJ definitely does bear a lot of obvious (and doubtless intentional in many cases) similarities to ESB
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KamikazePotato posted...

Lots of complaints are levied against Luke being cynical and not wanting to get involved

Man, I don't get this at all.

There are a lot of legit complaints about the movie (Resistance being down to one ship with little explanation, Holdo making herself look as incompetent as possible, the whole Poe/Finn sideplot being pointless, Rey being generic) but Luke was fantastic. I loved how he actually did turn Kylo to the dark side, plus his overall brokenness just really well acted/portrayed.
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Drakeryn posted...

but Luke was fantastic. I loved how he actually did turn Kylo to the dark side, plus his overall brokenness just really well acted/portrayed.

Yeah, I thought Hamill did a great job conveying that aspect of the character. When he says, "Leia trusted me with her son," and you can see his eyes welling up and hear his voice breaking as he says it, that got to me.
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