Current Events > PSA: Here's a short, simple guide on how to opt out of discord's ToS changes.

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Kombucha
10/19/18 10:28:24 AM
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https://gist.github.com/0x263b/54a37d0f0ba1d65dd59b9a4dfee9ff31#gistcomment-2735914

Discord introduced an arbitration clause that prevents you from joining a class action lawsuit against them in the case that they violate the law.

If they experience a data breach or announce one in the future (pretty likely considering this policy change) you will have surrendered your rights to join a class action lawsuit by doing nothing. The time-limit to opt out is 30 days.

The guide above makes it easy to opt out of the clause.
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BLAKUboy
10/19/18 10:30:06 AM
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I take it people will be flocking to the "next big thing" soon.
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Kombucha
10/19/18 10:33:01 AM
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I doubt it, discord is pretty prominent by now. They also have a really nice product, people generally prioritize that over their privacy & security.

See: Windows 10.
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apolloooo
10/19/18 10:33:30 AM
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Is this legit?
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Kombucha
10/19/18 10:34:49 AM
#5:


Yes, the front page of the discordapp subreddit is melting right now and there are official responses from the team there trying to explain/justify it.

https://new.reddit.com/r/discordapp/

https://blog.discordapp.com/terms-of-service-feedback-and-changes-c58a530c7693
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CuteWhiteChick
10/19/18 10:37:18 AM
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Who the hell still uses discord anyway what is this 2015?
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Questionmarktarius
10/19/18 10:39:43 AM
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Stop giving your personal information to every damn thing.
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Frostshock
10/19/18 10:40:29 AM
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What data can even be breached? Discord doesn't know a damn thing about me.

This is just the ramblings of someone who deliberately links to new.reddit to force people to look at that awful redesign.
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Rexdragon125
10/19/18 10:40:48 AM
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They're hoping everyone forgets about this in a month and the company wins at eroding consumer rights again
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MegaCamerupt
10/19/18 10:44:16 AM
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This just means any disputes with discord go to arbitration instead of a jury trial, which in the rare event of discord disputing a complaint you have, would usually end up being the more viable option anyways.

Besides, Im not gonna waste my time caring enough to opt out of a clause thats extremely likely to never become an issue
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Kombucha
10/19/18 10:46:10 AM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
They're hoping everyone forgets about this in a month and the company wins at eroding consumer rights again


With people like @Frostshock they probably will. Humanity in general is not too bright, many are quick to bend over and give their rights away. Some just want to get bottomed out by corporations for some reason..
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Kombucha
10/19/18 10:48:20 AM
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CuteWhiteChick posted...
Who the hell still uses discord anyway what is this 2015?


What's the new hot client in 2018? Facebook messenger?
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Kombucha
10/19/18 10:52:44 AM
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MegaCamerupt posted...
This just means any disputes with discord go to arbitration instead of a jury trial, which in the rare event of discord disputing a complaint you have, would usually end up being the more viable option anyways.

Besides, Im not gonna waste my time caring enough to opt out of a clause thats extremely likely to never become an issue


Companies get class action lawsuits against them all the time. Is it really more likely that they will not face one?
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Rexdragon125
10/19/18 10:54:24 AM
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The owner of Discord made an app like Discord in the past called "OpenFeint" and sold it to a Japanese company who bought it for the user information. They were sued in a class action lawsuit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/9peikv/in_light_of_the_tos_update_regarding_class_action/

Not shady at all
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Kombucha
10/19/18 10:55:26 AM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
The owner of Discord made an app like Discord in the past called "OpenFeint" and sold it to a Japanese company who bought it for the user information. They were sued in a class action lawsuit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/9peikv/in_light_of_the_tos_update_regarding_class_action/

Not shady at all


But I trust them because they're so cool, gamers just like us!
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Hop103
10/19/18 10:55:53 AM
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Kombucha posted...
I doubt it, discord is pretty prominent by now. They also have a really nice product, people generally prioritize that over their privacy & security.

See: Windows 10.


Windows 10 sucks unlike Discord.
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P4wn4g3
10/19/18 10:56:51 AM
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Kombucha
10/19/18 10:58:18 AM
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Hop103 posted...
Kombucha posted...
I doubt it, discord is pretty prominent by now. They also have a really nice product, people generally prioritize that over their privacy & security.

See: Windows 10.


Windows 10 sucks unlike Discord.


While I don't disagree, there really is not a viable alternative to Windows 10 for many (including gamers though that is changing quickly). I honestly don't know of many viable alternatives to Discord with the similar features.

I could be just ignorant of some other great software existing though that accomplishes many of the same things Discord does.
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Kombucha
10/19/18 10:59:07 AM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77110293

8 posts since yesterday, nobody cares.


Sad but true (at least on GameFAQs).
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MegaCamerupt
10/19/18 10:59:53 AM
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Kombucha posted...
MegaCamerupt posted...
This just means any disputes with discord go to arbitration instead of a jury trial, which in the rare event of discord disputing a complaint you have, would usually end up being the more viable option anyways.

Besides, Im not gonna waste my time caring enough to opt out of a clause thats extremely likely to never become an issue


Companies get class action lawsuits against them all the time. Is it really more likely that they will not face one?

How many have you been a part of?
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Kombucha
10/19/18 11:00:52 AM
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MegaCamerupt posted...
Kombucha posted...
MegaCamerupt posted...
This just means any disputes with discord go to arbitration instead of a jury trial, which in the rare event of discord disputing a complaint you have, would usually end up being the more viable option anyways.

Besides, Im not gonna waste my time caring enough to opt out of a clause thats extremely likely to never become an issue


Companies get class action lawsuits against them all the time. Is it really more likely that they will not face one?

How many have you been a part of?


Probably 10 or more, I've basically lost count at this point.
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Funkydog
10/19/18 11:08:11 AM
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Thankfully not from America, so pretty sure any changes can just be ignored as they are legally not allowed to do this here.
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P4wn4g3
10/19/18 11:09:08 AM
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Kombucha posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77110293

8 posts since yesterday, nobody cares.


Sad but true (at least on GameFAQs).

Well they should, Gamefaqs uses the shit out of Discord
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Kombucha
10/19/18 11:09:23 AM
#24:


Funkydog posted...
Thankfully not from America, so pretty sure any changes can just be ignored as they are legally not allowed to do this here.


Yeah from what I understand regulations in the EU in particular are really strong and pretty much render this policy change entirely useless for Discord.
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Kombucha
10/19/18 11:18:41 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Stop giving your personal information to every damn thing.


Going to be honest, I find it a little troubling that I'll have to provide my full name to opt out. I don't think that's information Discord should be privileged to have in their possession but whatever.

P4wn4g3 posted...
Kombucha posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77110293

8 posts since yesterday, nobody cares.


Sad but true (at least on GameFAQs).

Well they should, Gamefaqs uses the shit out of Discord


Yeah :(
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SageHarpuia
10/19/18 11:19:57 AM
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Opt out and Discord can sue you when you forget to mark your porn channel as nsfw
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Kombucha
10/19/18 11:21:09 AM
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SageHarpuia posted...
Opt out and Discord can sue you when you forget to mark your porn channel as nsfw


Sounds legit.
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CuteWhiteChick
10/19/18 11:25:11 AM
#28:


Kombucha posted...
CuteWhiteChick posted...
Who the hell still uses discord anyway what is this 2015?


What's the new hot client in 2018? Facebook messenger?

I mostly use Whatsapp or Wechat (have buddies in China) but FB messenger is up there.
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Funkydog
10/19/18 11:29:32 AM
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Kombucha posted...
Funkydog posted...
Thankfully not from America, so pretty sure any changes can just be ignored as they are legally not allowed to do this here.


Yeah from what I understand regulations in the EU in particular are really strong and pretty much render this policy change entirely useless for Discord.

Yup. EU is shit in a lot of ways, but it thankfully does give the customer a lot of basic protection no matter what shit companies try and pull.
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OctilIery
10/19/18 11:30:25 AM
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The new TOU won't hold up in court anyway.
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P4wn4g3
10/19/18 11:32:13 AM
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OctilIery posted...
The new TOU won't hold up in court anyway.

Yeah remember all the recent victories in civil rights cases? Like Net Neutrality, immigration laws, sexual assault related things, etc. This is pretty much the same.
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Roxborough4Ever
10/19/18 11:33:19 AM
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i dont use discord because im not poor, i have a teamspeak
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P4wn4g3
10/19/18 11:34:29 AM
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til discord is exclusively a poor people option
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teepan95
10/19/18 11:35:48 AM
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Kombucha posted...
Funkydog posted...
Thankfully not from America, so pretty sure any changes can just be ignored as they are legally not allowed to do this here.


Yeah from what I understand regulations in the EU in particular are really strong and pretty much render this policy change entirely useless for Discord.

Good to know!
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OctilIery
10/19/18 12:09:16 PM
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teepan95 posted...
Kombucha posted...
Funkydog posted...
Thankfully not from America, so pretty sure any changes can just be ignored as they are legally not allowed to do this here.


Yeah from what I understand regulations in the EU in particular are really strong and pretty much render this policy change entirely useless for Discord.

Good to know!

Even in the US, you cannot lose your right to litigation.
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Kombucha
10/19/18 12:11:32 PM
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OctilIery posted...
teepan95 posted...
Kombucha posted...
Funkydog posted...
Thankfully not from America, so pretty sure any changes can just be ignored as they are legally not allowed to do this here.


Yeah from what I understand regulations in the EU in particular are really strong and pretty much render this policy change entirely useless for Discord.

Good to know!

Even in the US, you cannot lose your right to litigation.


Yes, this does not prevent people from starting their own individual litigation.
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OctilIery
10/19/18 12:13:38 PM
#37:


Kombucha posted...
OctilIery posted...
teepan95 posted...
Kombucha posted...
Funkydog posted...
Thankfully not from America, so pretty sure any changes can just be ignored as they are legally not allowed to do this here.


Yeah from what I understand regulations in the EU in particular are really strong and pretty much render this policy change entirely useless for Discord.

Good to know!

Even in the US, you cannot lose your right to litigation.


Yes, this does not prevent people from starting their own individual litigation.

Doesn't prevent class action ones either. It does nothing.
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Kombucha
10/19/18 12:14:42 PM
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OctilIery posted...
Kombucha posted...
OctilIery posted...
teepan95 posted...
Kombucha posted...
Funkydog posted...
Thankfully not from America, so pretty sure any changes can just be ignored as they are legally not allowed to do this here.


Yeah from what I understand regulations in the EU in particular are really strong and pretty much render this policy change entirely useless for Discord.

Good to know!

Even in the US, you cannot lose your right to litigation.


Yes, this does not prevent people from starting their own individual litigation.

Doesn't prevent class action ones either. It does nothing.


Oh, care to post a source? I'm reading that the supreme court upheld these in 2011 elsewhere.

Here's mine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Mobility_LLC_v._Concepcion

If they have no teeth right now I wouldn't count on the current supreme court to continue to protect consumers anyways.
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Kombucha
10/19/18 12:27:11 PM
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Roxborough4Ever posted...
i dont use discord because im not poor, i have a teamspeak


Does teamspeak really offer the same features as Discord?
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hotcegaI
10/19/18 3:34:45 PM
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*laughs in european* but good topic
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s0nicfan
10/19/18 3:37:39 PM
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Kombucha posted...
I doubt it, discord is pretty prominent by now. They also have a really nice product, people generally prioritize that over their privacy & security.

See: Windows 10.


People said that about Ventrilo. And TeamSpeak. And Skype. And Mumble. And whatever came before those.
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Roxborough4Ever
10/19/18 4:02:09 PM
#42:


Kombucha posted...
Roxborough4Ever posted...
i dont use discord because im not poor, i have a teamspeak


Does teamspeak really offer the same features as Discord?


whats it missing besides a chat and the talk?
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Kombucha
10/20/18 10:12:48 AM
#43:


s0nicfan posted...
Kombucha posted...
I doubt it, discord is pretty prominent by now. They also have a really nice product, people generally prioritize that over their privacy & security.

See: Windows 10.


People said that about Ventrilo. And TeamSpeak. And Skype. And Mumble. And whatever came before those.


True.

Also I messed around with Riot/Matrix last night and it was pretty impressive for free and open source, federated software with E2E integration and voice/video calling. Also bridges into Slack, Glitter and IRC.

https://about.riot.im

https://about.riot.im/downloads/
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