Current Events > Gamer complains about AC Odyssey being too female and brown

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I don't understand. AC games never claimed to be historical documentaries, they just use the settings for window dressing. Who cares if there are more women involved in important roles than would be historically accurate? And Greeks did (and do) have multiple skintones and weren't super viking white so I don't know why that's a problem.

The game is a power fantasy, not a historical simulator.
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Im not clicking that shit to watch some whiny baby complain about females and skin tones
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Don't you fight mythical beasts in that game?
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eston posted...

Don't you fight mythical beasts in that game?

Heh yeah :)
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I just don't get the outrage some people have
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Kassandra is so hot, that is all.
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eston posted...

Don't you fight mythical beasts in that game?

This should pretty much undermine any semblance of "it's supposed to be historically accurate!"

Ubisoft cares more about making them games rather than complete re-enactments of history.
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So the 3% of games that feature minorities is worth complaining about nice.
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Isn't the entire premise of the game that you're running a "simulation" of past events?

It's like complaining about the genetically engineered dinosaurs in Jurassic Park because they weren't genetically engineered to have feathers
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Why do people keep complaining about games not being "historically accurate" when

1. The vast majority of these games aren't claiming to be
2. They only seem to care about whether or not it's historically accurate in regards to female or minority representation. All the other historically inaccurate crap doesn't seem to "break the immersion" for them.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Why do people keep complaining about games not being "historically accurate" when

1. The vast majority of these games aren't claiming to be
2. They only seem to care about whether or not it's historically accurate in regards to female or minority representation. All the other historically inaccurate crap doesn't seem to "break the immersion" for them.

2nd point yeah it does break immersion. AC didn't have crossbows for some games because it wasn't historical.

don't pretend female protagonist who kicks ass and takes names in a patriarchal ancient greek isn't part of a SJW agenda.
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

And Greeks did (and do) have multiple skintones and weren't super viking white so I don't know why that's a problem.

People either just refuse to acknowledge this or are too stupid to understand it.
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myzz7 posted...

2nd point yeah it does break immersion. AC didn't have crossbows for some games because it wasn't historical.

don't pretend female protagonist who kicks ass and takes names in a patriarchal ancient greek isn't part of a SJW agenda.

When they start adding boss fights involving mythical creatures, you can pretty much throw "historical accuracy" out the window.
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myzz7 posted...

don't pretend female protagonist who kicks ass and takes names in a patriarchal ancient greek isn't part of a SJW agenda.

Were you upset about Assassins Creed Liberation?
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myzz7 posted...

2nd point yeah it does break immersion.

Sure it does if you harp on it like a crybaby

myzz7 posted...

don't pretend female protagonist who kicks ass and takes names in a patriarchal ancient greek isn't part of a SJW agenda.

Females kicking ass and taking names exist in all kinds of media with all sorts of different settings. I don't think that should be limited to only certain settings for "historical accuracy" when no one is trying to be 100% historically accurate.

Also, I don't know why we're stopping at "kicking ass and taking names". Half the shit you do in AC games is unrealistic, like scaling buildings, jumping through the sky and fighting mythical beings and shit.. How a male doing it is A-OK but a woman doing it "breaks immersion" makes no damn sense.
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Some parts of Greece were actually very progressive when it came to sexuality and gender stuff.
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myzz7 posted...

SJW agenda

jesus christ, this shit is getting way more annoying than the actual SJWs
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Only people that care are the ones that don't like them in the first place. The whole "it's not historically acccurate" is just an excuse. They don't want them to be prominent

Gamers, the most oppressed race.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

myzz7 posted...

SJW agenda

jesus christ, this shit is getting way more annoying than the actual SJWs

Also, agreed.
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People shouldn't care that they added a female protagonist (especially when there's a lore-relevant reason why others would take her more seriously than other women during that time period). They can maybe care that they show girls getting an education from philosophers in ancient Greece when that just didn't happen, but whatever they're all dead anyway. They should absolutely care, though, that they literally altered the digital renditions of real world statues and paintings to make them more "inclusive" (this happened in Origins. Not sure if it happens in Odyssey but my guess is yes).

It's one thing to rewrite history. It's another to alter works we can go view in real life without anyone's consent because "fuck it". Especially in a game that has a "museum mode" because they want it to be used as a tool in education to showcase historical locations.
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s0nicfan posted...

They should absolutely care, though, that they literally altered the digital renditions of real world statues and paintings to make them more "inclusive" (this happened in Origins. Not sure if it happens in Odyssey but my guess is yes).

It's one thing to rewrite history. It's another to alter works we can go view in real life without anyone's consent because "fuck it". Especially in a game that has a "museum mode" because they want it to be used as a tool in education to showcase historical locations.

Nothing that they modified actually exists in the real world, what the fuck are you talking about.

E: Also literally no one would have even known or thought about it had Ubisoft not just straight up admitted to it.
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Bio1590 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

They should absolutely care, though, that they literally altered the digital renditions of real world statues and paintings to make them more "inclusive" (this happened in Origins. Not sure if it happens in Odyssey but my guess is yes).

It's one thing to rewrite history. It's another to alter works we can go view in real life without anyone's consent because "fuck it". Especially in a game that has a "museum mode" because they want it to be used as a tool in education to showcase historical locations.

Nothing that they modified actually exists in the real world, what the fuck are you talking about.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/02/ubisoft-admits-rewriting-history-assassins-creed-origins-avoid-historical-sexism/52115/

The striking point of the last photo one of an ancient kalpis from 5th century BCE featured in the British Museum in London, England, has a bit of dialogue describing its context in the game. The sub-header is called Inclusive Gameplay relating to how education in Alexandria was depicted within Assassins Creed: Origins. The text states

Here both girls and boys are shown attending a class given by one of the rhetoricians of the era.

The team made the choice to show both genders attending class within the context of the game world. Even though it is historically inaccurate, the team felt it was not necessary to prioritize historical sexism over inclusive gameplay.

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Bio1590 posted...

E: Also literally no one would have even known or thought about it had Ubisoft not just straight up admitted to it.

Wait... are you still claiming nothing was modified, or are you officially moving the goalposts to "well yea stuff was modified, but nobody would have noticed anyway"?
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next youre going to tell me ezio didnt actually fist fight the pope in an alien base underneath the vatican
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s0nicfan posted...

They should absolutely care, though, that they literally altered the digital renditions of real world statues and paintings to make them more "inclusive" (this happened in Origins. Not sure if it happens in Odyssey but my guess is yes).

Yeah if this is all you (not you specifically, the general you) have to complain about then move the fuck on. If you're truly interested in this stuff, I would hope that you would actually go learn through actual museums and what not instead of through a damn video game. And I would say this whether it was changed for "inclusive" reasons or any other innocuous reason.
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

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I don't understand. AC games never claimed to be historical documentaries, they just use the settings for window dressing. Who cares if there are more women involved in important roles than would be historically accurate? And Greeks did (and do) have multiple skintones and weren't super viking white so I don't know why that's a problem.

The game is a power fantasy, not a historical simulator.

Yeah what's with this new emerging alt-right definition of white? If you're not paper-pale, blonde and blue eyed you're suddenly brown. That'd leave even British people like Catherine Zeta-Jones out of the definition:

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/65/65/17/14111680/4/920x920.jpg

"ZOMG Le brown! Can't have le MAGA babies with her!! D:"

s0nicfan posted...

Wait... are you still claiming nothing was modified, or are you officially moving the goalposts to "well yea stuff was modified, but nobody would have noticed anyway"?

They DID NOT modify the photo from the Museum. You find that talking point in a "classroom" where both boys and girls are being taught in Discovery Mode and the text is in reference to the scene you're viewing, not the actual photo of the pot itself in this case. There's a couple points where that's done and it's poorly done obviously but Ubisoft did not actually modify any IRL assets used in the game.

And all I'm saying is it's dumb to get outraged over something you never would have thought of or figured out on your own unless you were slapped in the face with it like Ubisoft did here.
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Gamers complain about the dumbest shit lmfao
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Its definitely too brown

Because its a giant turd

Ayyyyy
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myzz7 posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

Why do people keep complaining about games not being "historically accurate" when

1. The vast majority of these games aren't claiming to be
2. They only seem to care about whether or not it's historically accurate in regards to female or minority representation. All the other historically inaccurate crap doesn't seem to "break the immersion" for them.

2nd point yeah it does break immersion. AC didn't have crossbows for some games because it wasn't historical.

don't pretend female protagonist who kicks ass and takes names in a patriarchal ancient greek isn't part of a SJW agenda.

I could almost respect this if you actually cared for historical accuracy in the first place, but you don't know shit about Greece. You're just mad about girls.
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Banjo2553 posted...

myzz7 posted...

2nd point yeah it does break immersion. AC didn't have crossbows for some games because it wasn't historical.

don't pretend female protagonist who kicks ass and takes names in a patriarchal ancient greek isn't part of a SJW agenda.

When they start adding boss fights involving mythical creatures, you can pretty much throw "historical accuracy" out the window.

Depends. What if the person was tripping balls?
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

next youre going to tell me ezio didnt actually fist fight the pope in an alien base underneath the vatican

Shit was lit
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I don't have a dog in this fight but I do find it hilarious that people seem to exclusively care about "Historical Accuracy" when it comes to women and blacks being represented.

Anything else, they don't give a fuck.

You could fight a Frankenstein Monster riding a motorcycle while weilding a chainsaw and they would be mad that you have tits.
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Bio1590 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Wait... are you still claiming nothing was modified, or are you officially moving the goalposts to "well yea stuff was modified, but nobody would have noticed anyway"?

They DID NOT modify the photo from the Museum. You find that talking point in a "classroom" where both boys and girls are being taught in Discovery Mode and the text is in reference to the scene you're viewing, not the actual photo of the pot itself in this case. There's a couple points where that's done and it's poorly done obviously but Ubisoft did not actually modify any IRL assets used in the game.

And all I'm saying is it's dumb to get outraged over something you never would have thought of or figured out on your own unless you were slapped in the face with it like Ubisoft did here.

They also altered actual statues to censor them to keep the game rating down.

I also never said I was outraged. In fact, I said that most of the things people were complaining about weren't worth complaining about. I said that people should only care when real things are altered. Why exactly do you have a problem with that? Are you just looking to pick a fight or do you actually have an issue with me being against alterations of real antiquities being presented as real antiquities in a game?

Also, yes the vase was altered:
https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/
collection_image_gallery.aspx?partid=1&assetid=563247001&objectid=400065
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Didn't the England one have a literal transgender character?
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The "historical accuracy" thing has always been stupid as fuck with Assassins Creed as it has ALWAYS played it loose with accuracy.

That's kind of like it's whole thing "lol here's the secret truth to history!"

I can understand people getting upset with Battlefield V since it at one point did kind of act like it was accurate (although I'd argue that passed as soon as they started catering to consoles), but like...rewriting history and the whole social progress thing has been AC and Ubisofts MO for at least half a decade now I feel so why are people surprised?
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s0nicfan posted...

Also, yes the vase was altered:
https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/
collection_image_gallery.aspx?partid=1&assetid=563247001&objectid=400065

You do realize that's not THE one they used right? Like what's the point of this?
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DevsBro posted...

Didn't the England one have a literal transgender character?

...and?
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s0nicfan posted...

They also altered actual statues to censor them to keep the game rating down.

I also never said I was outraged. In fact, I said that most of the things people were complaining about weren't worth complaining about. I said that people should only care when real things are altered. Why exactly do you have a problem with that? Are you just looking to pick a fight or do you actually have an issue with me being against alterations of real antiquities being presented as real antiquities in a game?

The statues are completely uncensored in the main game and only censored in the Discovery Mode.
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s0nicfan posted...

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/02/ubisoft-admits-rewriting-history-assassins-creed-origins-avoid-historical-sexism/52115/

So they didn't modify any art and they explained their historical inaccuracy in the historical mode to clarify the reality.

What is the problem?
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Bio1590 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

They also altered actual statues to censor them to keep the game rating down.

I also never said I was outraged. In fact, I said that most of the things people were complaining about weren't worth complaining about. I said that people should only care when real things are altered. Why exactly do you have a problem with that? Are you just looking to pick a fight or do you actually have an issue with me being against alterations of real antiquities being presented as real antiquities in a game?

The statues are completely uncensored in the main game and only censored in the Discovery Mode.

I can't believe they won't show penises and nipples to children. This is clearly Ubisoft's unique idea and not how society has operated for a long time.
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DevsBro posted...

Didn't the England one have a literal transgender character?

Yes.

Black Flag did too
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spanky1 posted...

Kassandra is so hot, that is all.

This, good lord!
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eston posted...

DevsBro posted...

Didn't the England one have a literal transgender character?

Yes.

Black Flag did too

Ehhhhhhhhh not really

There's a difference between transgender and a girl pretending to be a man so she's not raped and killed.
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I do think it's funny that it took that out-of-context screenshot being leaked for people to get upset over Ubisoft's "historical (in)accuracy" though when it was obvious to anyone who actually played the game they took some liberties (like always).

Like fuck they even straight up admit in one of the loading screens that their depiction of Cleopatra is not historically accurate at all.
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eston posted...

DevsBro posted...

Didn't the England one have a literal transgender character?

Yes.

Black Flag did too

I actually did troll CE with that when they first announced Syn would have "the first transgender character in the series."

It kinda flew over people's heads though.
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RiderofHogs posted...

Depends. What if the person was tripping balls?

Generally the fantasy elements that aren't related to the First Civilization in AC games are explained as Animus glitches or data corruption. Like how Unity had other eras in it due to server hopping.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't have a dog in this fight but I do find it hilarious that people seem to exclusively care about "Historical Accuracy" when it comes to women and blacks being represented.

Anything else, they don't give a fuck.

You could fight a Frankenstein Monster riding a motorcycle while weilding a chainsaw and they would be mad that you have tits.

as much as i hate to agree with you, yeah, basically.

This is a series about characters using super-future computers to play out historical sequences of events featuring an 11th century secret sect that the writers have expied into living well into the revolutionary war and fight a wrongfully persecuted Catholic sect who are in reality an illuminati-esque organization with control of the papacy

but give a woman a sword and some muscles and that's just a bridge too far
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SuperShake666 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

Depends. What if the person was tripping balls?

Generally the fantasy elements that aren't related to the First Civilization in AC games are explained as Animus glitches or data corruption. Like how Unity had other eras in it due to server hopping.

And now everything is explained by First Civ! There are no Animus glitches in Odyssey.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Why do people keep complaining about games not being "historically accurate" when

1. The vast majority of these games aren't claiming to be
2. They only seem to care about whether or not it's historically accurate in regards to female or minority representation. All the other historically inaccurate crap doesn't seem to "break the immersion" for them.

I think you answered your own question with point 2
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