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Kombucha
11/18/18 11:04:12 AM
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Do you think western countries need a social credit system? - Results (11 votes)
Yes
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No
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China has started ranking citizens with a creepy 'social credit' system here's what you can do wrong, and the embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you
The Chinese state is setting up a vast ranking system system that will monitor the behavior of its enormous population, and rank them all based on their "social credit."

The "social credit system," first announced in 2014, aims to reinforce the idea that "keeping trust is glorious and breaking trust is disgraceful," according to a government document.

The program is due to be fully operational nationwide by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people across the country already. The scheme will be mandatory.

At the moment the system is piecemeal some are run by city councils, others are scored by private tech platforms which hold personal data.

Like private credit scores, a person's social score can move up and down depending on their behavior. The exact methodology is a secret but examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.

The embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you

1. Banning you from flying or getting the train.
2. Throttling your internet speeds.
3. Banning you or your kids from the best schools.
4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.
5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.
6. Getting your dog taken away.
7. Being publicly named as a bad citizen.


Source/More Reading:

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4
Each numbered item is elaborated on in the article but taken together they are way too long to post here in a single post. What are your thoughts on the social credit system?
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FL81
11/18/18 11:05:36 AM
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Kombucha posted...
Do you think western countries need a social credit system?

They already have one, it's called credit score
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glitteringfairy
11/18/18 11:06:49 AM
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Sounds deedable
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Kombucha
11/18/18 11:08:34 AM
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FL81 posted...
Kombucha posted...
Do you think western countries need a social credit system?

They already have one, it's called credit score


Not exactly the same as it isn't based on how often you buy alcohol or play video games, for example. They can bar you from some of the same things, though. Credit scores won't force you to give up your dog or stop using social media, fortunately.
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Smashingpmkns
11/18/18 11:14:40 AM
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They critique their online shopping too. Its overall not only an invasion of privacy but a gateway to dozens of different human rights violations. This plus their national facial recognition security system they have really makes China start to look like a Philip K Dick novel.
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Vamp_Aubrey
11/18/18 11:15:17 AM
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Kombucha posted...
The exact methodology is a secret but examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.

The embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you

1. Banning you from flying or getting the train.
2. Throttling your internet speeds.
3. Banning you or your kids from the best schools.
4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.
5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.
6. Getting your dog taken away.
7. Being publicly named as a bad citizen.


i love this
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luigi13579
11/18/18 11:17:29 AM
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Kombucha posted...
buying too many video games

That'll go down well here.
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Kombucha
11/18/18 11:17:30 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
Man I really don't want to live in a world like that Black Mirror episode where they have a social ranking system and you have to be so artificially nice to people to stay afloat.

This is worse then the news when they started planting chips in peoples' hands.


TBH I wonder if someone high up in the Chinese government saw the episode and was like "that's a great idea". It's hard to believe that a show could see the writing on the wall so accurately. I suppose it could have been inspired by some of what was already going on in the country at the time. I'm not sure exactly when the program was announced relative to that episode.

The chip thing is far less sinister because it's basically just letting people open secure doors and possibly make payments. I still would never opt to get chipped by a company or any government even if it was super convenient.
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glitteringfairy
11/18/18 11:17:32 AM
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We can't leave this planet fast enough sandshrew

Be the first to lead on and show us the way brother
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HowardStern69
11/18/18 11:19:12 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
Man I really don't want to live in a world like that Black Mirror episode where they have a social ranking system and you have to be so artificially nice to people to stay afloat.

This is worse then the news when they started planting chips in peoples' hands.


This is exactly what this post reminded me of. Scary stuff
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Vamp_Aubrey
11/18/18 11:21:19 AM
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sounds like you guys are the type of ppl that smoke in non-smoking zones
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HowardStern69
11/18/18 11:23:56 AM
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Vamp_Aubrey posted...
sounds like you guys are the type of ppl that smoke in non-smoking zones


I'm the type of guy who would be on the "bad citizens" list for butt chugging liquor in public
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VectorChaos
11/18/18 11:31:04 AM
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6. Getting your dog taken away.


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hockeybub89
11/18/18 11:35:00 AM
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VectorChaos
11/18/18 11:35:34 AM
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Spooking posted...
8. Permanently erasing ALL saved game data (both solo and multiplayer).

VectorChaos posted...


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FLUFFYGERM
11/18/18 12:11:39 PM
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This is necessary to combat the bourgeoisie. The proletariat need to maintain control through this dictatorship just like Karl Marx said.

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Damn_Underscore
11/18/18 12:13:08 PM
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this is actually scary
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Forlorn_Ass
11/18/18 12:15:46 PM
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The leftists like "just be a good person and you'll have nothing to worry about!"
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Squall28
11/18/18 12:19:49 PM
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Kombucha posted...
posting fake news online.


Just paves the way for more information control hh?
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FLUFFYGERM
11/18/18 12:25:23 PM
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Forlorn_Ass posted...
The leftists like "just be a good person and you'll have nothing to worry about!"


"i have nothing to hide!111"
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kingdrake2
11/18/18 12:25:59 PM
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they take away your dog :(. i sure love mine as much as a family member in a platonic manner.
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Kombucha
11/18/18 3:00:56 PM
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Squall28 posted...
Kombucha posted...
posting fake news online.


Just paves the way for more information control hh?


Pretty much.
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Manocheese
11/18/18 3:02:09 PM
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Democrats are using this as a how-to manual.
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Vaati_Reborn
11/18/18 3:10:25 PM
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just tank your score and do whatever the fuck you want
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Dash_Harber
11/18/18 3:16:35 PM
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The only way it works is if you only reward people for good behavior. Punishing them for bad behavior just means people will try to find more insidious ways to be jerks and that the government becomes more of a police state.
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Kombucha
11/18/18 3:18:56 PM
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Vaati_Reborn posted...
just tank your score and do whatever the fuck you want


According to other sources I've read on the subject you wouldn't even be able to leave the country if you tank your score.
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Zikten
11/18/18 3:19:52 PM
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Kombucha posted...
buying too many video games

why this? if someone has the money and the time to play them, why does the government care?
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Zikten
11/18/18 3:20:28 PM
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Kombucha posted...
6. Getting your dog taken away.

the chinese government seems to hate dogs. not just based on this. I keep hearing about shit they do about dogs
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fuzzylittlbunny
11/18/18 3:20:54 PM
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It always annoys me when people smoke in the no smoking area around cirtuit court, even when the designated smoking area is literally 3 feet away...
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Kombucha
11/18/18 3:21:09 PM
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Zikten posted...
Kombucha posted...
buying too many video games

why this? if someone has the money and the time to play them, why does the government care?


I think maybe it comes down to the question of if an activity will bring prosperity and wealth to the country through productivity. If it doesn't, it would be considered useless and socially irresponsible. At least, that's where it looks like this is going.
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King_Hellebuyck
11/18/18 3:24:34 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Forlorn_Ass posted...
The leftists like "just be a good person and you'll have nothing to worry about!"


"i have nothing to hide!111"

The fuck is wrong with you two?
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Kombucha
11/18/18 3:29:06 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Forlorn_Ass posted...
The leftists like "just be a good person and you'll have nothing to worry about!"


"i have nothing to hide!111"

The fuck is wrong with you two?


They got bored of /pol/
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Chicken
11/18/18 3:31:34 PM
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Yet this doesn't stop their people from being assholes like jumping in front of your car on purpose.
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Solid Sonic
11/18/18 3:32:01 PM
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How many gigs of hentai gets you demoted?
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Master_Bass
11/18/18 3:38:12 PM
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Solid Sonic posted...
How many gigs of hentai gets you demoted?

Any hentai gets you sent to a re-education camp, comrade.
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Solar_Crimson
11/18/18 5:22:25 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Forlorn_Ass posted...
The leftists like "just be a good person and you'll have nothing to worry about!"


"i have nothing to hide!111"

The fuck is wrong with you two?

Anything to boogieman liberals.
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Shotgunnova
11/18/18 5:23:44 PM
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This is what happens when Winnie the Pooh takes control.
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Squall28
11/18/18 5:27:29 PM
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Shotgunnova posted...
This is what happens when Winnie the Pooh takes control.


b7 namecalling
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/18/18 5:51:29 PM
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Will probably be implemented poorly, judging by the article, but this has been a long time coming tbh. I'd post a greentext story about China here but I'm pretty sure it has "offensive" words in it.

They just need to include cheating/ripping off/scamming in the list of offenses
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josifrees
11/18/18 6:01:45 PM
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This sounds like a great idea to me.

Bad people need to be held accountable
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Solid Sonic
11/18/18 6:06:39 PM
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josifrees posted...
This sounds like a great idea to me.

Bad people need to be held accountable

But...shitposting anonymously isnt meant to have real world consequences.
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Alucard188
11/18/18 6:10:52 PM
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I don't think Western countries should look anywhere near China for ideas on how to socially-engage their citizens.
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BreezyExcursion
11/18/18 6:11:29 PM
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china is a utopia
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Kombucha
11/18/18 8:23:53 PM
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Squall28 posted...
Shotgunnova posted...
This is what happens when Winnie the Pooh takes control.


b7 namecalling

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SpiralDrift
11/18/18 8:28:30 PM
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People would just downvote all the races they don't like.
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