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knightoffire55 07/10/19 3:07:40 AM #1: |
Getting really drunk
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Banjo2553 07/10/19 3:08:29 AM #2: |
Don't invoke the name of Veggeta...oh great, I feel it coming already.
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LovingPacifist 07/10/19 3:18:23 AM #3: |
Because now that the age of quality RPGs has passed, it can safely be considered the best RPG of all time.
It's just a shame that Square produced that horrible Final Fantasy movie that like 7 people enjoyed and they ran out of money halfway through. --- Peace....love....and Understanding - The Three Fundamental Elements of Pacifism. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fenrimis 07/10/19 3:19:10 AM #4: |
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KamenRiderBlade 07/10/19 3:22:08 AM #5: |
It also had the worst inventory menu system of all time and a unfinished 2nd disc.
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Irony 07/10/19 3:31:14 AM #6: |
It's just a vocal minority
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HagenEx 07/10/19 3:34:30 AM #7: |
It emcompasses all the great things that the golden era of JRPGs had to offer. A gripping story (albeit rushed during the second part), good combat, amazing characters, FREAKING GIANT ROBOTS and overall a very nice art style.
I don't think it's the best ever (That would be Suikoden II even with all its bugs), but it's certainly a top 5 JRPG for me. --- Not changing this sig until The Big Dawg Roman Reigns beats cancer and wins back the Universal Title. Belee Dat! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LovingPacifist 07/12/19 2:55:10 AM #8: |
Oh yeah Suikoden II was also very good and I think that it definitely is a good one to mention as a rival.
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Rika_Furude 07/12/19 2:58:05 AM #9: |
Never played it but no way its better than the Trails in the Sky trilogy
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VictourieFlake 07/12/19 3:38:43 AM #10: |
Rika_Furude posted...
Never played it Rika_Furude posted... but no way its better than the Trails in the Sky trilogy It's* Both are very good games. Just enjoy it and don't make a....... Hmm come to think of it, this feels like a bait message. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rika_Furude 07/12/19 3:47:05 AM #11: |
VictourieFlake posted...
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Dingydang166 07/12/19 3:51:18 AM #12: |
I've played through most PS1 JRPGs but I had a real hard time finishing Xenogears. The game just has soooooo many boring and tedious parts. I never felt excited to do a dungeon, because I knew it was just going to be another shitty slog fest. That ain't how it supposed to be man. So many better jrpgs on the PS1.
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pres_madagascar 07/12/19 4:05:49 AM #13: |
LovingPacifist posted...
Because now that the age of quality RPGs has passed, it can safely be considered the best RPG of all time. Uh what. Good JRPGs and wrpgs are still being made. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Keith_Valentine 07/12/19 5:06:27 AM #14: |
Star Ocean 2: the second story
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LovingPacifist 07/12/19 5:17:27 AM #15: |
pres_madagascar posted...
LovingPacifist posted...Because now that the age of quality RPGs has passed, it can safely be considered the best RPG of all time. Yeah OK. --- Peace....love....and Understanding - The Three Fundamental Elements of Pacifism. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StucklnMyPants 07/12/19 5:47:11 AM #16: |
Keith_Valentine posted...
Star Ocean 2: the second story This is one of those games that I really wanted to play, but could never make it past a couple of hours. The dialogue is so bad. Like really bad. And it puts such a huge damper on the game, that I couldn't force myself to continue. I've tried to get into it like 2 or 3 times, but I lose all interest as soon as I start reading the dialogue. --- Power concedes nothing without a demand. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pres_madagascar 07/12/19 6:13:19 AM #17: |
LovingPacifist posted...
pres_madagascar posted...LovingPacifist posted...Because now that the age of quality RPGs has passed, it can safely be considered the best RPG of all time. You're either blind or not trying. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PMarth2002 07/12/19 6:14:51 AM #18: |
It is? i rarely see people talk about it. People here are much more likely to call chrono trigger the best rpg ever.
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Waddlez 07/12/19 6:19:02 AM #19: |
Loved this game. Played the hell out of that robot game.
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LordMarshal 07/12/19 6:23:20 AM #20: |
Theres tons of games that were great upon release but now are quite lacking but we still rate them how they were.
I dont know why. FFVII graphics were 10/10 when released but now they suck but people still say 10/10, for example. --- There can be only one. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tri sapphire 07/12/19 6:37:55 AM #21: |
Keith_Valentine posted...
Star Ocean 2: the second story Literally always the number 1 RPG in my favorites list. --- "If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed...I must simply laugh!!."- Magus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LLKoolJosh 07/12/19 7:09:23 AM #22: |
I like it because theres giant robots and I think the fighting part was really fun.
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DemonsHoles 07/12/19 7:49:17 AM #23: |
That's easy, it's because it has the greatest single game plot in video game history
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Veggeta_MAX 07/12/19 8:10:39 AM #24: |
Off the top of my heads: jRPGs lesser known that are better than Xenogears
Wild Arms Wild Arms 2 Suikoden 1 Suikoden 2 Breath of Fire 3 Breath of Fire 4 Tales of Destiny Tales of Destiny 2 Lunar Silver Star Story Parasite Eve Legend of Legaia Legend of Dragoon Valkyrie Profile Grandia Beyond the Beyond(Try this one, guys if you like the Golden Sun series) Star Ocean --- I'm Veggeta X's alt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xeed-HP 07/12/19 8:17:00 AM #25: |
It offered an interesting Anti-hero character. That was the most interesting part of Xenogears.
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glitteringfairy 07/12/19 8:19:33 AM #26: |
It's a very sexual experience
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DevsBro 07/12/19 8:26:43 AM #27: |
Story and music. The gameplay was kinda bad but I still liked the game. Human combat was remarkably better than gear combat, but unlimited use of deathblows made it a breeze.
Keith_Valentine posted... Star Ocean 2: the second story More like catastrophe. I freaking hated SO2. - Way too hard - Some skills actually make the game harder and dumber (Flip, anyone?) - That final boss can go to hell, even the normal version that is supposedly easier - Walking animated like they're only moving their knees - Hideous sprite scaling (Xenogears did this too) - Awful VA - Precis VA (yes I'm listing this separately; it was that bad) - Grinded literally 90 levels in one dungeon - Story wasn't even good, except the passable intro and the --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 07/12/19 8:35:49 AM #28: |
LordMarshal posted...
FFVII graphics were 10/10 when released Not really, no. Crash Bandicoot 2 came out the same year for the same platform and looks leagues better. The one nice thing you can say about FF7's graphics is that the prerendered backdrops in the field look great, which they definitely do even today when you consider the game is old enough to drink, though this did come at the cost of clashing horribly with the lego characters. The prerendered cutscenes probably looked good in 1997, before people noticed how hilariously compressed they are and before FF8 came out for the same system and put them to shame anyway. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 07/12/19 8:44:02 AM #29: |
LovingPacifist posted...
It's just a shame that Square produced that horrible Final Fantasy movie that like 7 people enjoyed and they ran out of money halfway through. What do you think would be different, if Square didn't make that movie? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tri sapphire 07/12/19 9:37:31 AM #30: |
Veggeta_MAX posted...
Off the top of my heads: jRPGs lesser known that are better than Xenogears As a whole, I'd give a maybe to the bolded. Change Grandia to Grandia II and Star Ocean to Star Ocean: The Second Story and I'd bold that as well. Xenogears definitely wins in the Story and Soundtrack categories though...well, maybe Wild Arms and Wild Arms 2 tie with it for Soundtracks. --- "If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed...I must simply laugh!!."- Magus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 07/12/19 9:40:33 AM #31: |
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Veggeta_MAX 07/12/19 9:41:35 AM #32: |
You're so late.
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tri sapphire 07/12/19 9:50:46 AM #33: |
DevsBro posted...
Story and music. The gameplay was kinda bad but I still liked the game. Human combat was remarkably better than gear combat, but unlimited use of deathblows made it a breeze. -Were you playing on one of the harder modes or something? Games pretty easy to beat even without using a bunch of OP melee characters. First few times I went through it, I used just Claude and a team of mages. Even without something like the Eternal Sphere, there's Mirror Slash/Ripper Blast. -Battle skills can be turned off in the menu. And the intense Item Creation system and Skill system are my favorite thing about the game. From just up and cooking some food for early game money, or summoning a giant bunny for transport and an eagle for some mid-dungeon shopping, or forging your own accessories and powerful usable items, or straight up replicating stuff if you want to. Really made me disappointed with the direction they moved in for the sequels. -I think you mean like they're not moving their knees. Also, it's a PS1 game. -Were you playing the PS1 or PSP version? -Shouldn't really have to grind for dungeons. And CoT pretty much levels you naturally by just going through it. The instant kill enemies can still go fuck themselves though. -Story was pretty generic sci-fi. Extra background info you could get in that one quest was pretty good though. The vast amount of PA's and nearly 100 possible endings are also a nice point to tack on to two opening scenarios and other choices that affects your party line-up each playthrough. It's still my favorite --- "If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed...I must simply laugh!!."- Magus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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squarion 07/12/19 11:49:20 AM #34: |
Cause gundams & mechas were hot in 1998.
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DevsBro 07/12/19 12:27:27 PM #35: |
tri sapphire posted...
DevsBro posted...Story and music. The gameplay was kinda bad but I still liked the game. Human combat was remarkably better than gear combat, but unlimited use of deathblows made it a breeze. - Maybe? I don't remember choosing a difficulty. - You can turn them off but you can't refund the points you wasted on them. - No, like they're only moving their knees. Or, I guess, like their head and torsos are 70-80% of their height. Lots of games on PS1 had decent animations, especially in 2D. - PS1 - I agree, you shouldn't have to, but I did have to. I might have the number off a little (not positive as it's been a while) but I went into the final dungeon definitely below level 50 and didn't finally beat Bastard McButtface the final boss with his stupid damn dude-that-drums-on-the-ground-and-unavoidably-wipes-your-party move until definitely over 100. I wanna say it was around 30 and around 120, which is where I got 90. And in the end, I only did survive by looking up how to craft that stupid armor that makes you literally invincible thanks to Bastard McButtface living up to his name. - I can appreciate replay value but the game has to not be a total pain in the butt. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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marc55 07/12/19 12:58:39 PM #36: |
tri sapphire posted...
Veggeta_MAX posted...Off the top of my heads: jRPGs lesser known that are better than Xenogears grandia was my first linear one it was town folow path to dungeon next town and never gave you a reason to backtrack (not even to buy stuff from their stores ) no sidequests i dont think it had extra bosses either --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 07/12/19 1:02:48 PM #37: |
Veggeta_MAX posted...
Legend of Legaia Yea boi!!! My first jrpg. Then I got into FF via FF8 --- "Even if that's not the case, I would prefer this bill fail, since I'd rather see a Democrat get this win instead" - Doom_Art ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta_MAX 07/12/19 1:07:42 PM #38: |
marc55 posted...
no sidequests i dont think it had extra bosses either It had optional dungeons and extra bosses. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pauIie 07/12/19 1:13:09 PM #39: |
it's a positives outweigh the negatives thing. but of course if you don't even like its positives, the game will probably be awful to you.
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Zodd3224 07/12/19 1:36:19 PM #40: |
There isnt a game I want more than a current or next gen Xenogears Remake
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andel 07/12/19 1:41:20 PM #41: |
xenogears is amazing but as someone else mentioned star ocean 2 is probably the best ps1 era rpg
tons of great ones though lunar sssc and lunar 2 arc the lad trilogy final fantasy vii-ix kartia legend of dragoon probably dozens i am forgetting too --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 07/12/19 1:42:21 PM #42: |
I really enjoyed the scope of the story. I haven't really played anything else like it.
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solosnake 07/12/19 2:01:30 PM #43: |
Vagrant Story is another great game
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Veggeta_MAX 07/12/19 2:09:22 PM #44: |
pauIie posted...
it's a positives outweigh the negatives thing. High disagree. The flaws are not excusable at all. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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squarion 07/12/19 2:11:16 PM #45: |
Legend of Dragoon Additions were ICONIC.
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pauIie 07/12/19 2:20:21 PM #46: |
Veggeta_MAX posted...
pauIie posted...it's a positives outweigh the negatives thing. i'm speaking for the people that like the game. they like it because to them, what they like about the game, outweighs what they don't like about it. for you this isn't the case. stop being so stubborn about this, because there's nothing to disagree with. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 07/12/19 2:22:13 PM #47: |
pauIie posted...
stop being so stubborn You know who you're talking to, right? --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pauIie 07/12/19 2:26:03 PM #48: |
DevsBro posted...
pauIie posted...stop being so stubborn yeah lol --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta_MAX 07/12/19 2:46:36 PM #49: |
pauIie posted...
because there's nothing to disagree with There is. You said the positive outweighs the negatives. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pauIie 07/12/19 3:05:31 PM #50: |
Veggeta_MAX posted...
pauIie posted...because there's nothing to disagree with no, there is not. you call the game overrated, so you are aware that people like the game. it is literally because for them they like more about the game than what they don't like about it. it is not a general statement about the game. it is not disagreeing with you that the game is overrated. it's merely acknowledging that there are fans that like it lol. i don't know how you don't understand this. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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