Current Events > Bill Maher on "white shame"

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Thoughts?
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He's right
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Hes right up to a point
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Someone will call him alt right for this
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When he's right, he's right

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Zodd3224 posted...

Someone will call him alt right for this

Yeah probably the same right wing trolls on CE who call everybody alt right and then other right wingers take them at face value and start accusing 'the left' of doing it

He's pretty on point. It's been my experience as a minority and it's pretty annoying.

Not even a minute in an hes already being intellectually dishonest. Plenty of Asians called out yang, yet he zeroes in on whatever white liberals he can..didnt even bother to watch the rest

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FrisbeeDude posted...

Not even a minute in an hes already being intellectually dishonest. Plenty of Asians called out yang, yet he zeroes in on whatever white liberals he can..didnt even bother to watch the rest

Some Asians said that, but the fact that any white people told him how to feel is what he's talking about.
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I don't watch male Barbra Streisand under any circumstances. He's ugly as sin.
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Some of the same people agreeing with Bill Maher right now are the same people who will tell minorities to shut up when they bring up bigotry anyway lmao
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I don't believe I have ever actually met someone who felt white shame.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Some of the same people agreeing with Bill Maher right now are the same people who will tell minorities to shut up when they bring up bigotry anyway lmao

This is true
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Zodd3224 posted...

This is true

exactly

marginalized group is offended and the Joe Rogan fan club comes out screaming about how they're all just playing victims and calling everything racist...white liberals agree with the marginalized group and all of sudden, they're offended of behalf of them. it's a joke.

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He's right, but it's another case of him just bitching about a small, but loud group on the left. He does the same crap with millennials.

And come on, you don't have to be some right winger to roll your eyes at those types.
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He shouldn't be pitching a White Tax even for humor imo. Some leftists will take that seriously and actually want to implement such a tax.
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Bill maher is alt right racist now smh
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FrisbeeDude posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

This is true

exactly

marginalized group is offended and the Joe Rogan fan club comes out screaming about how they're all just playing victims and calling everything racist...white liberals agree with the marginalized group and all of sudden, they're offended of behalf of them. it's a joke.

I actually agree with Maher.

But I also know a lot of the wrong people will agree with it for the wrong reasons.
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"Lifting up people who society has cheated or forsaken, that's liberalism"

OK, so let's pay reparations, issue a formal apology to descendants of slaves, and denounce historical figures that contributed to said oppression.
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That's hilarious
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Bill Maher nailed a large chunk of CE spot on.

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The Admiral posted...

Bill Maher nailed a large chunk of CE spot on.

@FrisbeeDude exhibit A
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ZMythos posted...

"Lifting up people who society has cheated or forsaken, that's liberalism"

OK, so let's pay reparations, issue a formal apology to descendants of slaves, and denounce historical figures that contributed to said oppression.

Would reparations require a tax on people who didn't own slaves?
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pls posted...

Would reparations require a tax on people who didn't own slaves?

Boy howdy if this aint a loaded question.
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ZMythos posted...

pls posted...

Would reparations require a tax on people who didn't own slaves?

Boy howdy if this aint a loaded question.

It's a simple yes or no question. Will people who didn't own slaves have to pay higher taxes in order to pay reparations? How much in reparations?

And how would you deal with em-privileging millions of people via giant cash infusions? Would you raise taxes on them? For example, will the reparations be $50,000 per person? $100,000? That kind of cash would create a new class of people with an immense head start in life. So how do you prevent it from being unfair to the tens of millions of whites who are poor? Or the tens of millions of eastern European and Irish who in the last 70-100 years were discriminated against, not considered white, prevented from accessing good schools and good neighborhoods, due to the perception of overimmigration?

It really seems like reparations is not a simple issue and the time for a cash infusion to slavery victims has long since passed. Imo a better approach would be good universal programs like Medicare For All, a jobs guarantee where you can work a great job in the renewables sector after we pass a Green New Deal, and a funded Social Security retirement, etc.
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Alt right Bill Maher
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R1masher posted...

Hes right up to a point

That point was at the end when he said that knowing all the lyrics to "Sweet Caroline" isn't a crime. That's going too far.

pls posted...

It's a simple yes or no question. Will people who didn't own slaves have to pay higher taxes in order to pay reparations? How much in reparations?

And how would you deal with em-privileging millions of people via giant cash infusions? Would you raise taxes on them? For example, will the reparations be $50,000 per person? $100,000?

If I knew how it would be accomplished then I wouldn't be here, I'd be on Capitol Hill. So you answered for me if it's a loaded question.

pls posted...

That kind of cash would create a new class of people with an immense head start in life.

Wow it's almost like being white right now.

pls posted...

So how do you prevent it from being unfair to the tens of millions of whites who are poor?

How do you prevent slavery from being unfair to the millions of people who were subjected to it? Or their second-class status throughout the Reconstruction era and into the late 60s? Or the mass incarceration of nonwhites for nonviolent offences?
You don't. Plain and simple.

pls posted...

Or the tens of millions of eastern European and Irish who in the last 70-100 years were discriminated against, not considered white, prevented from accessing good schools and good neighborhoods, due to the perception of overimmigration?

Are they asking for them? If they believe they're entitled to it then they should build a case for it and advocate for it just as much as black americans have.

pls posted...

It really seems like reparations is not a simple issue and the time for a cash infusion to slavery victims has long since passed. Imo a better approach would be good universal programs like Medicare For All, a jobs guarantee where you can work a great job in the renewables sector after we pass a Green New Deal, and a funded Social Security retirement, etc.

So we just shrug our shoulders and say there's nothing we can do after we've done nothing to address it in the first place? And hope that over the next decade we will pass social legislation that will take even longer before its effects on the lowest classes can even be measured?

Those whom society has rejected for the past century aren't looking for a long term solution. They're looking for relief. Because that's what's current to their survival.
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pls posted...

Or the tens of millions of eastern European and Irish who in the last 70-100 years were discriminated against, not considered white, prevented from accessing good schools and good neighborhoods, due to the perception of overimmigration?

Yes?
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If you dont feel any shame for your whiteness then its wrong to claim you have checked your privilege & are woke. This is just another case of Bill Maher being a fake liberal and pushing Alt-Right talking points
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Reminder that this was an actual mural that was displayed and approved of at the USC campus



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ZMythos posted...

Wow it's almost like being white right now

That's racist. The vast majority of white people do not have a headstart and there are more white people in poverty than you realize.

ZMythos posted...

If I knew how it would be accomplished then I wouldn't be here, I'd be on Capitol Hill. So you answered for me if it's a loaded question.

Why would you ask for something that you don't even have any ideas about? Surely when you ask for reparations you have SOME idea of what you are asking for.

ZMythos posted...

How do you prevent slavery from being unfair to the millions of people who were subjected to it? Or their second-class status throughout the Reconstruction era and into the late 60s? Or the mass incarceration of nonwhites for nonviolent offences?
You don't. Plain and simple.

Black women get more lenient sentencing for the same crimes than white or Hispanic women. So you should reconsider your stance from being about "the mass incarceration of non-whites" because it's a lot more complicated than that.

Those people from the 60s definitely had a hard time but I would say that anyone born in our generation had the same opportunities available regardless of race. Unless you live in Alabama or something.

ZMythos posted...

Are they asking for them? If they believe they're entitled to it then they should build a case for it and advocate for it just as much as black americans have.

If you expect Americans in general to ask for reparations on behalf of one race, why aren't you expecting that on behalf of every race? Is it because the eastern Europeans and Irish have white skin and you are already assuming a priori that anyone with white skin has a head start? That'd be racist.

ZMythos posted...

So we just shrug our shoulders and say there's nothing we can do after we've done nothing to address it in the first place? And hope that over the next decade we will pass social legislation that will take even longer before its effects on the lowest classes can even be measured?

Those whom society has rejected for the past century aren't looking for a long term solution. They're looking for relief. Because that's what's current to their survival.

Well then what specifically do you propose be done as reparations? In what amount, with funding from where? And how would you explain the inequity to the tens of millions of poor white people who had no part in slavery and who will now have to contend with competing against people who receive a $100,000 windfall?

How would you go about finding out who to give reparations to? Is it anyone who is born in America and is black? What if their parents came from another country recently and the household is doing well financially? What if they are descendants of people who were not slaves? Do you just give reparations to anyone who is of African origin?

I mean you kind of have to flesh this out if you're going to say this is owed to specific people rather than argue for universal programs that benefit the working class as a whole.
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Southernfatman posted...

He's right, but it's another case of him just bitching about a small, but loud group on the left. He does the same crap with millennials.

And come on, you don't have to be some right winger to roll your eyes at those types.

You say that, but left leaning people who do roll their eyes at those types are then accused of being right wing, alt right, or "centrists".
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Esrac posted...

You say that, but left leaning people who do roll their eyes at those types are then accused of being right wing, alt right, or "centrists".

I've been called those things for many different reasons. It does suck, but I just ignore those types because they're not worth talking to if they're that nutty about things.
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iPhone_7 posted...

If you dont feel any shame for your whiteness then its wrong to claim you have checked your privilege & are woke. This is just another case of Bill Maher being a fake liberal and pushing Alt-Right talking points

bill maher is really as much of an neoliberal as it gets

there was not a single alt-right talking point in that video
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pls posted...

Black women get more lenient sentencing for the same crimes than white or Hispanic women. So you should reconsider your stance from being about "the mass incarceration of non-whites" because it's a lot more complicated than that.

Those people from the 60s definitely had a hard time but I would say that anyone born in our generation had the same opportunities available regardless of race. Unless you live in Alabama or something.

LOL
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Taharqa_ posted...

pls posted...

Black women get more lenient sentencing for the same crimes than white or Hispanic women. So you should reconsider your stance from being about "the mass incarceration of non-whites" because it's a lot more complicated than that.

Those people from the 60s definitely had a hard time but I would say that anyone born in our generation had the same opportunities available regardless of race. Unless you live in Alabama or something.

LOL

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf

Black women get significantly more lenient sentencing than White men. Also, in most periods studied Hispanic men received similar or more lenient sentencing than White men. Why is this situation never construed as Black Female Privilege or Hispanic Male Privilege?

Why is sentencing disparity always framed in terms of White privilege when Black women are better off than White women and when Hispanic men are usually better off than or comparable to White men? Why isn't that Hispanic privilege?

It certainly used to be the case before the 90s that more black people were in the prison system at a much higher rate than any other race, but as crime has declined since 1990 so too have imprisonment rates gone down. (Not saying they can't go down further, just pointing out the progress)

And as the war on drugs shifted from crack and marijuana to meth and opioids, arrests for those slowed as well. The crack epidemic in black communities waned while the meth and opioids epidemic in white communities has increased, causing arrests for drugs to increase in the white community and slow down in the black community.

I'm all for ending the war on drugs and reducing the numbers further but at least we know that this imprisonment is happening as a result of doing a crime in the first place. (Horror stories about being framed aside)

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/12/15/a-mass-incarceration-mystery

Is a white person who chooses to deal meth or opioids systemically prevented from having opportunities?
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I love Bill Maher he is always on point in most of his viewpoints.
He is literally the only democrat I like right now.

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Now that weed has been legalized in a number of states I think Maher is tentatively exploring new possible talking points for the last decade of his career.
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TheMikh posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

If you dont feel any shame for your whiteness then its wrong to claim you have checked your privilege & are woke. This is just another case of Bill Maher being a fake liberal and pushing Alt-Right talking points

bill maher is really as much of an neoliberal as it gets

there was not a single alt-right talking point in that video

I've seen Maher called "alt-right adjacent" for some of the things he says.
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hockeybub89 posted...

I don't believe I have ever actually met someone who felt white shame.

Only idiots

There is no need for white shame

People need to get over things lmfao
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My favorite part is him pointing out how so much outrage is just a blatant self need to have forgiveness given rather than actual concern. It isn't about helping, it's about forgiveness points.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

My favorite part is him pointing out how so much outrage is just a blatant self need to have forgiveness given rather than actual concern. It isn't about helping, it's about forgiveness points.

I mean that's usually the case with the rabid Social Justice Warriors. I'm reminded of that story where some white girl wore a Kimono to prom. A bunch of rabid SJWs on Twitter got offended because of the "cultural appropriation"

Some time later, people in Japan were surveyed to find out what their opinions were and none of them were offended by it. The vast majority were proud that their culture was being enjoyed.
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There's plenty of people who treat minorities like 100% equals and got no reason to feel shame for being born a certain way.
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Zodd3224 posted...

@FrisbeeDude exhibit A

...I'm black

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FrisbeeDude posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

@FrisbeeDude exhibit A

...I'm black

I was talking about Admiral
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Zodd3224 posted...

Someone will call him alt right for this

No one. He's very far left.
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creativerealms posted...

He's very far left.

Well that's just not true.
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Esrac posted...

TheMikh posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

If you dont feel any shame for your whiteness then its wrong to claim you have checked your privilege & are woke. This is just another case of Bill Maher being a fake liberal and pushing Alt-Right talking points

bill maher is really as much of an neoliberal as it gets

there was not a single alt-right talking point in that video

I've seen Maher called "alt-right adjacent" for some of the things he says.

Ninty percent of the time he's far left, ten percent of the time hes so far to the left he swings around to the right. Really with the far extremes there is almost no difference between the two.
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