Current Events > "Black people are 13% of the population and commit 50% of the murders"

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Honestly....so what? Most of those murders are gang-related and happen in poor black communities so it's not like suburban white people need to be afraid. What's the point of quoting this statistic?
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here is a pic of TC:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/490/674/930.jpg
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Honestly....so what? Most of those murders are gang-related and happen in poor black communities so it's not like suburban white people need to be afraid. What's the point of quoting this statistic?

to keep white people scared
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Are those real statistics?
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Nerds who like to use statistics for everything are red flags themselves.
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It's not even true anyway
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

What's the point of quoting this statistic?

Ideally to point out that there's some systemic issue since black people are otherwise just people like everyone else.

But usually it's to reinforce internalized racism.

Romulox28 posted...

here is a pic of TC:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/490/674/930.jpg

Where did you get that? I sent that to my wife. Are you my wife?
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"Incarceration rates for black people are too high because police are racist!"

*shows statistics proving otherwise*

"So what, who cares about statistics anyway? Statistics are racist!"

Summary of TC.

on top of that, the study doesn't even account for everything.

and people conflate being convicted of a crime with actually commiting a crime. generations of stories about innocent people being locked up, but it doesn't fit the narrative these racist like to push.

fuck em.
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50% of USA murders are gang related?

Annihilated posted...

"Incarceration rates for black people are too high because police are racist!"

*shows statistics proving otherwise*

"So what, who cares about statistics anyway? Statistics are racist!"

Summary of TC.

I don't call police racist.

Is the point of the statistic to prove police aren't racist?

Explain yourself instead of trying to get in a shitpost. We can have a conversation.
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Annihilated posted...

Statistics are racist!"

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darkphoenix181 posted...

50% of USA murders are gang related?

Did I say that?
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Where is the BLM outrage?
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refmon posted...

Annihilated posted...

Statistics are racist!"

At what point did I call statistics racist?

Do you want to have a conversation or are you here only to troll? Is your only desire here to get high-fives from other trolls? Do not post in my topic again.
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See statistics are very important, but they must be viewed within the proper context. Tell me this-- have you ever examined the correlation between poverty/bad conditions and violence? That, and an examination of our history provides needed context to your initial stat.
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Annihilated posted...

"Incarceration rates for black people are too high because police are racist!"

*shows statistics proving otherwise*

"So what, who cares about statistics anyway? Statistics are racist!"

Summary of TC.

I don't call police racist.

Is the point of the statistic to prove police aren't racist?

Explain yourself instead of trying to get in a shitpost. We can have a conversation.

I mean yeah, pretty much. People just want an excuse to blame cops for everything even if they're just responding to calls regarding, you know, crime.

Annihilated posted...

"Incarceration rates for black people are too high because police are racist!"

*shows statistics proving otherwise*

"So what, who cares about statistics anyway? Statistics are racist!"

Summary of TC.

taken out of context, statistics can indeed be used to perpetuate racism.

if you control for poverty, the rates of committing crimes are not significantly different across races. how many people who bring up that first statistic conveniently omit this fact?
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The use of statistics void of context is pretty damn idiotic
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Annihilated posted...

AmericaTheBrave posted...

Annihilated posted...

"Incarceration rates for black people are too high because police are racist!"

*shows statistics proving otherwise*

"So what, who cares about statistics anyway? Statistics are racist!"

Summary of TC.

I don't call police racist.

Is the point of the statistic to prove police aren't racist?

Explain yourself instead of trying to get in a shitpost. We can have a conversation.

I mean yeah, pretty much. People just want an excuse to blame cops for everything even if they're just responding to calls regarding, you know, crime.

Would you say responsibility lays at black people then?
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name somebody who said cops are to blame for everything.

sounds like a straw man. those aren't worth addressing
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50% of statistics are racist. Either they are or they aren't
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You attack these problems from the ground up

Education, lowering divorce rates blah blah

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refmon posted...

Annihilated posted...

Statistics are racist!"

Pretty sure people who shitpost like this have never actually even sniffed a statistics class (not talking about your mislabeled Stats for Dummies highschool class that just deal with probability distributions), since literally every lesson focuses on doing things to not misrepresent your data using various tests. Or psychology adjacent classes that talk about writing up your findings

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averagejoel posted...

if you control for poverty, the rates of committing crimes are not significantly different across races. how many people who bring up that first statistic conveniently omit this fact?

Do you have a citation for this? I wouldn't have expected this as these things tend to nonlinearly interact through time.
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MacadamianNut3 posted...

Pretty sure people who shitpost like this have never actually even sniffed a statistics class (not talking about your mislabeled Stats for Dummies highschool class that just deal with probability distributions), since literally every lesson focuses on doing things to not misrepresent your data using various tests. Or psychology adjacent classes that talk about writing up your findings

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

Interestingly rape basically follows the races 1:1, other crimes vary a lot though

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Would you say responsibility lays at black people then?

Any person who commits any crime for any reason bears responsibility. Nothing will ever change that. If you're talking about on a macro scale, there are other factors. But you can't say "poverty" and call it a day, because it's a combination of failed anti-poverty measures and welfare programs, lack of funding to local law enforcement where it's needed the most, and maybe most important of all, the lack of fathers in black families. It wasn't all this way either, even back in the 60s there were a lot fewer single parent black households and it's gotten a lot worse.

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

name somebody who said cops are to blame for everything.

sounds like a straw man. those aren't worth addressing

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78126893

There's a whole topic full of them. Enjoy.

Use your words. My post wasn't an invite to post random links that don't contradict the fact that misusing statistics has been a problem highlighted for decades

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Never pay attention to this sort of bull shit. Go ask any large group, over a 100, for all the racists to raise their hand. Oh, no one raised their hand? Zero people are racist!

Give me a break. This kind of crap is fake and pointless

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

Use your words. My post wasn't an invite to post random links that don't contradict the fact that misusing statistics has been a problem highlighted for decades

Okay

Whites do more arson/ car jackings, financial crimes

Black more killings and robberies, although granted, killings can be gang related, theres no breakdown of spousal murders which whites might be higher in etc

These are just stats, and its an fbi page I shouldnt get modded

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So what?
It provides data.
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GoodOlJr posted...

MacadamianNut3 posted...

Use your words. My post wasn't an invite to post random links that don't contradict the fact that misusing statistics has been a problem highlighted for decades

Okay

Whites do more arson/ car jackings, financial crimes

Black more killings and robberies, although granted, killings can be gang related, theres no breakdown of spousal murders which whites might be higher in etc

These are just stats, and its an fbi page I shouldnt get modded

You aren't getting modded for posting descriptive stats. You are getting modded for posting misleading conclusions from those stats.
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GoodOlJr posted...

Okay

Whites do more arson/ car jackings, financial crimes

Black more killings and robberies, although granted, killings can be gang related, theres no breakdown of spousal murders etc

These are just stats, and its an fbi page I shouldnt get modded

And what does this have to do with me pointing out your moronic attempt at sounding enlightened by saying "statistics are racist" even with the TC not taking your troll bait

Good job you can read numbers on a page. Very good!

Edit: oh its someone else. Not sure why you're hopping in to defend those two

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CrimsonRage posted...

GoodOlJr posted...

You attack these problems from the ground up

Education, lowering divorce rates blah blah

so basically "blacks need to behave better and maybe the police will stop being racist" lol

Not even close to what was being said. Wow.
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CrimsonRage posted...

so basically "blacks need to behave better and maybe the police will stop being racist" lol

No I wouldnt say that, I think the forcing blacks into the inner city and refusing to sell them real estate in the burbs, 10x harsher sentences if they sold crack instead of coke are very fucked up things that are really big factors

Id be happy to push funds into sports for poor children, scholarships, fixing unfair sentencing, your trying to project something onto what I said

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GoodOlJr posted...

These are just stats, and its an fbi page I shouldnt get modded

Stats from 2013.....
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CrimsonRage posted...

that does sound more reasonable and i apologise

but so many cop defenders hold average citizens to higher standards than police for some reason

Yeah no worries

I dont have that much love for the cops either, and I get people being punished for crime, I really do, but when theres such an insentive with the forced work they have to do for pennies, it will probably always be fucked up and broken, and yes racist

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CrimsonRage posted...

GoodOlJr posted...

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No I wouldnt say that, I think the forcing blacks into the inner city and refusing to sell them real estate in the burbs, 10x harsher sentences if they sold crack instead of coke are very fucked up things that are really big factors

Id be happy to push funds into sports for poor children, scholarships, fixing unfair sentencing, your trying to project something onto what I said

that does sound more reasonable and i apologise

but so many cop defenders hold average citizens to higher standards than police for some reason

Because cops take a lot more risks than the average citizen and have to make judgment calls every day that average citizens never have to make.

it's so racists can say things like "facts can't be racist" or "statistics can't be racist"
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Annihilated posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78126893

There's a whole topic full of them. Enjoy.

I still didn't see that post. can you quote one in context?

still looks like a straw man.
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Romulox28 posted...

here is a pic of TC:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/490/674/930.jpg

Is that how most people look on gamefaq?!
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averagejoel posted...

if you control for poverty, the rates of committing crimes are not significantly different across races. how many people who bring up that first statistic conveniently omit this fact?

It would still be higher seeing as black and Hispanic people get 90 percent of the stop and frisk treatment
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Pretty sure TC made it up

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Makeveli_lives posted...

It would still be higher seeing as black and Hispanic people get 90 percent of the stop and frisk treatment

Good points yeah

But cops would have to profile poor lookig white peopke and frisk them to equal things out, do you just leave people alone if theyre wearing a polo/button down

Not trying to be cute here, genuinely thinking

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Instead of admitting that their is a problem and trying to fix it people come up with excuses and play the blame game. It's easier to complain and blame others then it is to actually fix the issues. Just read the posts on this topic....nothing but excuses