Current Events > Kamala Harris, why the sudden flip flop on weed?

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voldothegr8
08/11/20 10:14:05 PM
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https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/kamala-harris-marijuana-policy-tulsi-gabbard-debates-866102/

The moment highlighted an uncomfortable truth about Harriss record on drug reform, one that she is desperately trying to atone for by adopting a more relaxed stance than shes adopted historically. In a crowded field of candidates, most of whom support marijuana legalization in some form, Harris has tried to position herself as an advocate for drug law reform. Just last week, she cosponsored the MORE Act, a sweeping piece of federal legislation that calls for not just nationwide legalization, but also the allocation of federal funds for cannabis entrepreneurs of color and the expungement of marijuana possession charges from offenders records.

But as Gabbards remarks reveal, Harris has historically adopted a much more rigorous stance against legalization, to the degree that as recently as five years ago, she laughed when an interviewer brought up the subject. As NORML executive director Erik Altieri puts it to Rolling Stone, her history on drug reform has been problematic, and her record is not one anyone would qualify as progressive, particularly when it comes to marijuana. Heres exactly what that record has been, and whether her current, much more tolerant stance should be trusted.


It's a lengthy article but tl;dr she was for medical but highly against rec as AG throughout most of the decade, then suddenly became pro federal legalization a few years ago when becoming a senator. Nobody is really sure why, if it was a bid for votes or she had a change of heart or what. Maybe she got that sweet sweet weed lobby money. It is kind of strange though, but if Biden somehow wins maybe she can get this done.
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Dark_SilverX
08/11/20 10:15:09 PM
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Biden let her know that Corn Pop was a bad dude.

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jon1012
08/11/20 10:17:02 PM
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I hope its finally legalized nationwide. Its so stupid and pointless for it to be illegal. The government could be making a pretty penny with the tax money.

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voldothegr8
08/12/20 12:03:32 PM
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hmmmm?
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EmbraceOfDeath
08/12/20 12:08:21 PM
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Who cares why? People have the right to change their minds on things, and this is a good thing.

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Alteres
08/12/20 12:08:56 PM
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Shame Biden just (relatively) came out and said he wouldnt be for legalization.

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CruelBuffalo
08/12/20 12:10:06 PM
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If she got money from the weed lobby it would be public
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Squall28
08/12/20 12:10:32 PM
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Because she doesn't care about the platform at all and just wants to get elected. Bernie was probably the only candidate that cared.

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CruelBuffalo
08/12/20 12:10:57 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
hmmmm?

Why did Bernie Sanders, Obama, and Biden, along with most of the country do an about face on gay marriage? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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TheGoldenEel
08/12/20 12:21:01 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Nobody is really sure why,
Almost like elected representatives are supposed to support the will of the people

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The23rdMagus
08/12/20 12:25:36 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Almost like elected representatives are supposed to support the will of the people
Allegedly.

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gamer167
08/12/20 12:28:33 PM
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JBaLLEN66
08/12/20 12:30:02 PM
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Didn't Trump tweet about how dumb the Republican Party was back in the day? Wasn't Trump best friends with Epstein back in the day, but is excused by his supporters. OP quit clowning please.

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The Popo
08/12/20 12:30:50 PM
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jon1012 posted...
I hope its finally legalized nationwide. Its so stupid and pointless for it to be illegal. The government could be making a pretty penny with the tax money.

At the bare minimum, its dumb as hell to classify it as a Schedule 1 drug, on the same level as heroin. Fucking stupid.

But yeah, tax it and make it legal. Create new jobs, take away the black market in America, and reduce the number of prisoners for such a minor offense.

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Crazyman93
08/12/20 12:30:52 PM
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Squall28 posted...
Bernie was probably the only candidate that cared.
Lmfao

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Hexenherz
08/12/20 12:31:07 PM
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Some people revisit their own personal beliefs based on what is going on around them. Barack Obama used to oppose gay marriage as late as 2008 (if not later) but then came out in support of it.

Not hard to believe that Kamala Harris was in a similar boat and opposed legalizing marijuana but then saw a growing popular support for it and decided to reconsider her position.

Not saying that's exactly what happened but it's not unheard of and I'd rather someone do that than stick to outdated beliefs that damage the country.

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Alteres
08/12/20 12:31:48 PM
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RoadsterUFO posted...
The Federal Government deserves zero tax revenue from weed after spending decades locking people up for it. Regulate weed like onions.
I mean thats true.

But the government generally needs some incentive to do the right thing, otherwise nothing happens.

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harley2280
08/12/20 12:36:42 PM
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Because a good politician represents the people. So when the public mindset on it changes so should the politicians.
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thrashmetal14
08/12/20 12:39:30 PM
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Also sudden flips on Biden being a sexual deviant and racist. Almost like she does one thing and says another.
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Funkydog
08/12/20 12:41:07 PM
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Like most politicians she saw where the votes were. Not doing it "for the people" as the politician that does that is a rare one indeed. Just like Obama was against gay marriage, but came around when public opinion supported it.

Who knows what they actually think, at least they are doing the right thing eventually.

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gamer167
08/12/20 12:57:16 PM
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trappedunderice
08/12/20 12:58:10 PM
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Pot still being illegal in certain states while being legal in others just shows how ass backwards our country is.
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Master_Bass
08/12/20 1:00:25 PM
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Alteres posted...
I mean thats true.

But the government generally needs some incentive to do the right thing, otherwise nothing happens.
The money should go to the people that had their lives ruined because of our stupid war on drugs. Of course that would never happen.

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Alpha218
08/12/20 1:02:53 PM
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Alteres posted...
Shame Biden just (relatively) came out and said he wouldnt be for legalization.
Well if Harris is actually for this, then she can do her part and be persuasive on the issue.

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SmidgeIsntBack
08/12/20 1:05:30 PM
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It's a bold strategy, going from prosecuting people for weed to claiming you smoked it yourself in college.

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masticatingman
08/12/20 1:08:35 PM
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Being anti-weed was considered a political no brainer until very recently.

And it still is a criminal issue with the black market growers/sellers. Getting in the weed business legally is hugely expensive with the taxes and regulations. Banks also are not that welcoming to weed businesses.

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SodomInsane
08/12/20 1:08:44 PM
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Didnt the DNC vote to say their platform is against the legalization of marijuana. Idk why but they also voted against Medicate for all too.

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Machete
08/12/20 1:11:37 PM
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"I support donald trump and therefore I am mad about kamala harris" the topic
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AzNDarkSamurai
08/12/20 1:12:03 PM
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Kamala Harris is a career politician. She will say anything to get votes.

She did something similar while she was still the DA here in San Francisco so that she can secure votes from the police union.

Shes a fraud

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thrashmetal14
08/12/20 1:15:10 PM
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Machete posted...
"I support donald trump and therefore I am mad about kamala harris" the topic

Some people aren't brainwashed by partisan politics and can make legitimate criticisms about Democrats. You don't think it's an absolute joke that Harris was calling Biden a racist and a sexual predator during the primaries and now she wants to be his VP?
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josifrees
08/12/20 1:16:58 PM
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all politicians are bastards

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creativerealms
08/12/20 1:18:31 PM
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The war on weed never should have happened. Yet it did. We can't change the past but we can move forward and legalize it now.

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3PiesAndAFork
08/12/20 1:21:44 PM
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Even as a Canadian I can't wait for legalized weed, so my weed stocks will go up.

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treewojima
08/12/20 1:22:38 PM
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Given how closely prosecutors and even AGs work with law enforcement, it makes perfect sense that she was a drug hard liner because that's what a good chunk of her cases dealt with. Being seen as "soft on drugs" by not only police departments but also the prison system is a guaranteed way to hinder your career advancement or even lose your job.

This reinforces the idea that she's just like every other politician that bends to their primary base as needed, so no real news there.
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The Trent
08/12/20 1:24:19 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Who cares why? People have the right to change their minds on things, and this is a good thing.

this pretty much
isn't her job to represent the people? if the people want something that she isn't all about, she is welcome to change to match the people's want and shouldn't really get backlash for it

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Kuuko
08/12/20 1:26:55 PM
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thrashmetal14 posted...
Some people aren't brainwashed by partisan politics and can make legitimate criticisms about Democrats. You don't think it's an absolute joke that Harris was calling Biden a racist and a sexual predator during the primaries and now she wants to be his VP?
She actually, quite literally, said Biden was not a racist in her now infamous offensive against Biden.

https://youtu.be/JYMm3tivK7A?t=32

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thrashmetal14
08/12/20 1:27:15 PM
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The Trent posted...
this pretty much
isn't her job to represent the people? if the people want something that she isn't all about, she is welcome to change to match the people's want and shouldn't really get backlash for it

Yeah if 51% of "the people" think that she should be ruining innocent peoples lives then it's a good thing. She was just representing "the people."

treewojima posted...
This reinforces the idea that she's just like every other politician that bends to their primary base as needed, so no real news there.

So it's acceptable for someone to be running mates with someone who they claimed was a racist and a sexual predator?
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Garioshi
08/12/20 1:28:14 PM
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Kamala has absolutely no problem with locking people up for having weed, and that's one of the many reasons why she's a piece of shit.

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Politics
08/12/20 1:28:41 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Like most politicians she saw where the votes were. Not doing it "for the people" as the politician that does that is a rare one indeed. Just like Obama was against gay marriage, but came around when public opinion supported it.

Who knows what they actually think, at least they are doing the right thing eventually.

Most people kinda assume that Obama was pretending to be against gay marriage because this was the late 2000s and people weren't ready for that yet.

You have to remember this country has changed a lot socially in the past 20 years.

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thrashmetal14
08/12/20 1:30:21 PM
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Kuuko posted...
She actually, quite literally, said Biden was not a racist in her now infamous offensive against Biden.

https://youtu.be/JYMm3tivK7A?t=32

So she said that he's not a racist, just that he's supported racist legislation and said racist things. Because that's so much different.
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Kuuko
08/12/20 1:31:12 PM
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thrashmetal14 posted...
So she said that he's not a racist, just that he's supported racist legislation and said racist things. Because that's so much different.
just correcting a piece of what you said dude. It's very clear her point in the speech was a lot more nuanced and you can listen to what she said or not

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SmidgeIsntBack
08/12/20 1:34:35 PM
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Kuuko posted...
She actually, quite literally, said Biden was not a racist in her now infamous offensive against Biden.

https://youtu.be/JYMm3tivK7A?t=32

Her being questioned on it after is also a fun watch.

https://youtu.be/jkTOpWzC9Rc?t=103

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Tyranthraxus
08/12/20 1:37:06 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
It's a lengthy article but tl;dr she was for medical but highly against rec as AG throughout most of the decade, then suddenly became pro federal legalization a few years ago when becoming a senator. Nobody is really sure why, if it was a bid for votes or she had a change of heart or what. Maybe she got that sweet sweet weed lobby money. It is kind of strange though, but if Biden somehow wins maybe she can get this done.

It's the nature of politicians to support whatever is most popular among their constituents.

This is why the republican party has essentially become the party of JEEZUS and guns and racism.

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The Trent
08/12/20 1:37:09 PM
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thrashmetal14 posted...
Yeah if 51% of "the people" think that she should be ruining innocent peoples lives then it's a good thing. She was just representing "the people."

checkmate atheists

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thrashmetal14
08/12/20 1:38:28 PM
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Kuuko posted...
just correcting a piece of what you said dude. It's very clear her point in the speech was a lot more nuanced and you can listen to what she said or not

That's fair. Either way, her being Biden's VP is a fucking joke. I guess she didn't really believe his accusers like she said; either that or she's cool with being running mates with a sexual predator.
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Machete
08/12/20 1:47:30 PM
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thrashmetal14 posted...


Some people aren't brainwashed by partisan politics and can make legitimate criticisms about Democrats. You don't think it's an absolute joke that Harris was calling Biden a racist and a sexual predator during the primaries and now she wants to be his VP?


I think having 11 active messages is a joke, shrug emoji
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southcoast09
08/12/20 1:50:10 PM
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We should federally legalize marijuana and force workers unions and employers to stop testing for it. It should actually be, under federal order, removed from every type of drug test.
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ThunderTrain
08/12/20 2:08:45 PM
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Still better than Trump

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voldothegr8
08/12/20 2:13:49 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
We should federally legalize marijuana and force workers unions and employers to stop testing for it. It should actually be, under federal order, removed from every type of drug test.

Private companies can test for tobacco and alcohol if they want and some do. Even if it becomes federally legal some will still test for it and the government can't stop them.
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