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voldothegr8 08/31/20 10:17:30 PM #1:	https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/31/21408861/fbi-doorbell-camera-police-search-surveillance-warning-document Federal Bureau of Investigation documents warned that owners of Amazons Ring and similar video doorbells can use the systems which collect video footage sometimes used to investigate crimes in order to watch police instead. The Intercept spotted the files in the BlueLeaks data trove aggregated from law enforcement agencies. One 2019 analysis describes numerous ways police and the FBI could use Ring surveillance footage, but it also cites new challenges involving sensor- and camera-equipped smart home devices. Specifically, they can offer an early warning when officers are approaching a house to search it; give away officer locations in a standoff; or let the owner capture pictures of law enforcement, presenting a risk to their present and future safety. These are partly hypothetical concerns. The standoff issue, for instance, was noted in a report about motion-activated panoramic cameras. But the FBI points to a 2017 incident where agents approached the home of someone with a video doorbell, seeking to search the premises. The resident wasnt home but saw them approach by watching a remote video feed, then preemptively contacted his neighbor and landlord about the FBIs approach. He may also have been able to covertly monitor law enforcement activity with the camera. Oh no poor babies they can spy on us but we can't spy on them --- Oda break tracker 2020- 5 (5) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 7-9 <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:944060323] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote><quote>https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/31/21408861/fbi-doorbell-camera-police-search-surveillance-warning-document Federal Bureau of Investigation documents warned that owners of Amazons Ring and similar video doorbells can use the systems which collect video footage sometimes used to investigate crimes in order to watch police instead. The Intercept spotted the files in the BlueLeaks data trove aggregated from law enforcement agencies. One 2019 analysis describes numerous ways police and the FBI could use Ring surveillance footage, but it also cites new challenges involving sensor- and camera-equipped smart home devices. Specifically, they can offer an early warning when officers are approaching a house to search it; give away officer locations in a standoff; or let the owner capture pictures of law enforcement, presenting a risk to their present and future safety. These are partly hypothetical concerns. The standoff issue, for instance, was noted in a report about motion-activated panoramic cameras. But the FBI points to a 2017 incident where agents approached the home of someone with a video doorbell, seeking to search the premises. The resident wasnt home but saw them approach by watching a remote video feed, then preemptively contacted his neighbor and landlord about the FBIs approach. He may also have been able to covertly monitor law enforcement activity with the camera.</quote> Oh no poor babies they can spy on us but we can't spy on them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 08/31/20 10:18:06 PM #2:	"why can't we do whatever we want?" -FBI --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta (hungry ghost) <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:944060344] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>"why can't we do whatever we want?" -FBI </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Poop2 08/31/20 10:21:47 PM #3:	nfearurspecimn posted... "why can't we do whatever we want?" -FBI this. "no fair, you kinda leveled the playing field a bit" <cite>Poop2 posted [p:944060456] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>nfearurspecimn posted... </cite> <quote>"why can't we do whatever we want?" -FBI</quote>this. "no fair, you kinda leveled the playing field a bit" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 08/31/20 10:23:26 PM #4:	Those are issues that are realistically going to become more prevalent as time goes on and smart house kind of systems become common, as is noted directly after where you cut the article off. This isnt necessarily more information than a security camera would capture. But doorbells like the Ring or Google Nest Hello are pitched as more mainstream devices What is your problem with law enforcement agencies acknowledging and discussing that internally? <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:944060507] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>Those are issues that are realistically going to become more prevalent as time goes on and smart house kind of systems become common, as is noted directly after where you cut the article off. <quote>This isnt necessarily more information than a security camera would capture. But doorbells like the Ring or Google Nest Hello are pitched as more mainstream devices</quote> What is your problem with law enforcement agencies acknowledging and discussing that internally? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 08/31/20 10:26:44 PM #5:	thats an easy fix, just bring a wifi signal jammer. most of those systems run off of a wireless network, and its not like the police are going to arrest themselves for breaking FCC laws... --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:944060626] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>thats an easy fix, just bring a wifi signal jammer. most of those systems run off of a wireless network, and its not like the police are going to arrest themselves for breaking FCC laws... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightRender 08/31/20 10:29:42 PM #6:	monkmith posted... thats an easy fix, just bring a wifi signal jammer. most of those systems run off of a wireless network, and its not like the police are going to arrest themselves for breaking FCC laws... Really? I thought that they were wired through ethernet and that's also how they get their juice. --- Dedicated to D - 4/15/05 <cite>NightRender posted [p:944060724] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>thats an easy fix, just bring a wifi signal jammer. most of those systems run off of a wireless network, and its not like the police are going to arrest themselves for breaking FCC laws...</quote> Really? I thought that they were wired through ethernet and that's also how they get their juice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skermac 08/31/20 10:30:54 PM #7:	The law doesnt need to run wild anyway, videos make them accountable --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:944060758] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>The law doesnt need to run wild anyway, videos make them accountable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 08/31/20 10:31:53 PM #8:	NightRender posted... Really? I thought that they were wired through ethernet and that's also how they get their juice. some can be, but many aren't. ring doorbell is either powered off the mains or with a battery pack and it uses wifi to connect to your internet. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:944060804] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>NightRender posted... </cite> <quote>Really? I thought that they were wired through ethernet and that's also how they get their juice.</quote>some can be, but many aren't. ring doorbell is either powered off the mains or with a battery pack and it uses wifi to connect to your internet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightRender 08/31/20 10:41:17 PM #9:	monkmith posted... some can be, but many aren't. ring doorbell is either powered off the mains or with a battery pack and it uses wifi to connect to your internet. Ha. All the DIY Youtube videos I've seen must have chosen the wired versions. I guess securing a camera with two screws didn't seem compelling enough for them. --- Dedicated to D - 4/15/05 <cite>NightRender posted [p:944061116] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>some can be, but many aren't. ring doorbell is either powered off the mains or with a battery pack and it uses wifi to connect to your internet.</quote> Ha. All the DIY Youtube videos I've seen must have chosen the wired versions. I guess securing a camera with two screws didn't seem compelling enough for them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 08/31/20 10:44:41 PM #10:	NightRender posted... Ha. All the DIY Youtube videos I've seen must have chosen the wired versions. I guess securing a camera with two screws didn't seem compelling enough for them. makes more sense then the battery pack, but my house didn't have the wireing for a doorbell and i didn't see the point of running wires myself so i use the battery pack and just charge it every 3 weeks or so. eventually i'll probably just set up something myself, seen a need idea using rasberry pi cameras, and that'll require actual wiring. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:944061246] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>NightRender posted... </cite> <quote>Ha. All the DIY Youtube videos I've seen must have chosen the wired versions. I guess securing a camera with two screws didn't seem compelling enough for them.</quote>makes more sense then the battery pack, but my house didn't have the wireing for a doorbell and i didn't see the point of running wires myself so i use the battery pack and just charge it every 3 weeks or so. eventually i'll probably just set up something myself, seen a need idea using rasberry pi cameras, and that'll require actual wiring. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/20 10:55:58 PM #11:	Law enforcement should be increasingly aware that they are often under serveillance and that this footage can be used to hold them accountable. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:944061572] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>Law enforcement should be increasingly aware that they are often under serveillance and that this footage can be used to hold them accountable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 08/31/20 10:56:40 PM #12:	skermac posted... The law doesnt need to run wild anyway, videos make them accountable This. TommyG663513 posted... Law enforcement should be increasingly aware that they are often under serveillance and that this footage can be used to hold them accountable. also this --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:944061593] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>skermac posted... </cite> <quote>The law doesnt need to run wild anyway, videos make them accountable</quote>This. TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Law enforcement should be increasingly aware that they are often under serveillance and that this footage can be used to hold them accountable.</quote>also this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 08/31/20 11:14:44 PM #13:	FBI is concerned about this because they are big in the habit of covert searches. Meaning, they specifically choose times when you aren't home to rifle through your belongings. --- Finish a game? Add it to our list! Beat 1,000 games: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/78785005 <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:944062159] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>FBI is concerned about this because they are big in the habit of covert searches. Meaning, they specifically choose times when you aren't home to rifle through your belongings. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 08/31/20 11:16:09 PM #14:	onedarksoul posted... FBI is concerned about this because they are big in the habit of covert searches. Meaning, they specifically choose times when you aren't home to rifle through your belongings. think the bigger worry would be surveillance. peoples memories are shit, but a video of the same car with the same person loitering outside your house/business/whatever for days on end will surely tip you off. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:944062200] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>onedarksoul posted... </cite> <quote>FBI is concerned about this because they are big in the habit of covert searches. Meaning, they specifically choose times when you aren't home to rifle through your belongings.</quote>think the bigger worry would be surveillance. peoples memories are shit, but a video of the same car with the same person loitering outside your house/business/whatever for days on end will surely tip you off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 08/31/20 11:17:37 PM #15:	This actually makes me want to buy one of them now. Is this just an elaborate scheme to get us to buy a Ring? --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:944062241] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>This actually makes me want to buy one of them now. Is this just an elaborate scheme to get us to buy a Ring? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 08/31/20 11:18:43 PM #16:	monkmith posted... some can be, but many aren't. ring doorbell is either powered off the mains or with a battery pack and it uses wifi to connect to your internet. Yeah both of my rings are hard wired to the house but that's just to power them. They're still running on wifi --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:944062277] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>some can be, but many aren't. ring doorbell is either powered off the mains or with a battery pack and it uses wifi to connect to your internet.</quote> Yeah both of my rings are hard wired to the house but that's just to power them. They're still running on wifi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 08/31/20 11:21:17 PM #17:	Exactly what I was implying. I've read details on how they conduct their ops. They are sometimes very creative with them. That all goes to south though if you are able to monitor them. Then again, some of the technology they have is far in advance of whats out there commercially, meaning they do have countermeasures to this. But they aren't infallible, and have been caught numerous times by property owners (criminals of course, but still). --- Finish a game? Add it to our list! Beat 1,000 games: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/78785005 <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:944062355] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>Exactly what I was implying. I've read details on how they conduct their ops. They are sometimes very creative with them. That all goes to south though if you are able to monitor them. Then again, some of the technology they have is far in advance of whats out there commercially, meaning they do have countermeasures to this. But they aren't infallible, and have been caught numerous times by property owners (criminals of course, but still). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 08/31/20 11:23:11 PM #18:	The police have absutely no good will right now so how can they ask for anything? They should be on their knees begging for forgivness as it is --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:944062424] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>The police have absutely no good will right now so how can they ask for anything? They should be on their knees begging for forgivness as it is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 09/01/20 8:58:39 AM #19:	Master_Bass posted... This actually makes me want to buy one of them now. Is this just an elaborate scheme to get us to buy a Ring? --- Oda break tracker 2020- 5 (5) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 7-9 <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:944071961] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote>This actually makes me want to buy one of them now. Is this just an elaborate scheme to get us to buy a Ring? </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 09/01/20 9:01:16 AM #20:	Just put a fucking piece of tape over the camera. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://imgur.com/FKDXbHs <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:944072012] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>Just put a fucking piece of tape over the camera. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
twitterfriends 09/01/20 9:04:01 AM #21:	Read between the lines, it's basically facsim I seriously question how dumb they are to even release a statement such as this. --- #NotMyPresident #JusticeDemocrats #Neblio #WolfPAC #Bitcoin #WeAre12 #12thMan #Seahawks #Belieber #DENT #UBI #PokemonGo #twitterfriends #MMA #PopularHashtags <cite>twitterfriends posted [p:944072066] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>Read between the lines, it's basically facsim I seriously question how dumb they are to even release a statement such as this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maze_ 09/01/20 9:05:00 AM #22:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5CCUdu7xFI --- When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner. "Your mustache is crooked" ~ R.I.P Randy Savage. <cite>Maze_ posted [p:944072093] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5CCUdu7xFI </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 09/01/20 9:05:03 AM #23:	Law enforcement: Dont shoot - ~~footage of us!~~ --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:944072095] in FBI worrie... [t:78945977]...</cite> <quote>Law enforcement: Dont shoot - footage of us! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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