Poll of the Day > So what happens if trump takes NC, Georgia and Alaska?

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He still cant make 270? Those are the only remaining undeclared afaik

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Not a chance.

Basically his only route is some impossible recount flips. PA is out of recount range and without it he would need to get GA and AZ (AZ remains uncalled for how close it is by some outlets) then somehow flip 20k votes in WI (no recount has ever changed more than 1k votes in the US) to get them both under the 270 mark where he would win in our bizarre method of choosing a president in that situation.

There is no realistic path in which Trump becomes president now that PA is out of his hands.

A number of key battle ground states are supposedly being decided by 1%. Realistically there's a lot of recounting and other measures that should be going on. A few of the states that have been declared probably shouldn't have been, particularly some that were called when the margin is that small and the full state hasn't been reported. Arizona, for example, has a 0.5% difference yet it stopped reporting at 90%.

If all of the close races were re-examined or recounted, Trump could win. In fact, just TWO of the sub-1% states would mean Biden didn't get his 270 either.

Of course, the big issue is that it's too late for matters of fraud, since even if you discovered something like people had voted in two states (which given the ridiculous ease of acquiring absentee ballots is a very real possibility) there's not much you could do about it anyway now.

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Zeus posted...

A number of key battle ground states are supposedly being decided by 1%. Realistically there's a lot of recounting and other measures that should be going on. A few of the states that have been declared probably shouldn't have been, particularly some that were called when the margin is that small and the full state hasn't been reported. Arizona, for example, has a 0.5% difference yet it stopped reporting at 90%.

If all of the close races were re-examined or recounted, Trump could win. In fact, just TWO of the sub-1% states would mean Biden didn't get his 270 either.

Of course, the big issue is that it's too late for matters of fraud, since even if you discovered something like people had voted in two states (which given the ridiculous ease of acquiring absentee ballots is a very real possibility) there's not much you could do about it anyway now.

You think voter fraud has flipped the election in bidens favour?

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I'm so glad that Zeus, our local paragon of Bizarro land information, has decided to weigh in. Though, his Bizarro world holds no relevancy over reality!

BlackScythe0 posted...

Not a chance.

Basically his only route is some impossible recount flips. PA is out of recount range and without it he would need to get GA and AZ (AZ remains uncalled for how close it is by some outlets) then somehow flip 20k votes in WI (no recount has ever changed more than 1k votes in the US) to get them both under the 270 mark where he would win in our bizarre method of choosing a president in that situation.

There is no realistic path in which Trump becomes president now that PA is out of his hands.

whats the likelihood of them recounting though seeing as hes taken it to court? Not sure if he did or if he just said he would

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Zeus posted...

A number of key battle ground states are supposedly being decided by 1%. Realistically there's a lot of recounting and other measures that should be going on. A few of the states that have been declared probably shouldn't have been, particularly some that were called when the margin is that small and the full state hasn't been reported. Arizona, for example, has a 0.5% difference yet it stopped reporting at 90%.

If all of the close races were re-examined or recounted, Trump could win. In fact, just TWO of the sub-1% states would mean Biden didn't get his 270 either.

Of course, the big issue is that it's too late for matters of fraud, since even if you discovered something like people had voted in two states (which given the ridiculous ease of acquiring absentee ballots is a very real possibility) there's not much you could do about it anyway now.

AZ seems to require .1% for a recount
PA requires .5 and it's at .6 with the lead expanding for Biden.

PA isn't up for recount Trump would have to flip 3 states, not 2. His only options are GA, AZ, and WI.

That ignores the fact that we don't have a record of any recount changing more than 1k votes and Trump would need tens of thousands in the states that matter.

There is no realistic path for Trump.

FatalAccident posted...

whats the likelihood of them recounting though seeing as hes taken it to court? Not sure if he did or if he just said he would

There are systems in place for the recounts to occur. Trump hasn't taken anyone to court for recounts, he filed frivolous law suits with no evidence or merit to stop counting.

BlackScythe0 posted...

That ignores the fact that we don't have a record of any recount changing more than 1k votes and Trump would need tens of thousands in the states that matter.

There is no realistic path for Trump.

We also don't have a record of this many mail-in ballots either. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a significant amount of double counting for people that mail in and then go to the polls thinking their mail in wasn't going to count. There's also his lawsuits which may or may not get some votes thrown out but that's gonna be a long shot.

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Smarkil posted...

We also don't have a record of this many mail-in ballots either. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a significant amount of double counting for people that mail in and then go to the polls thinking their mail in wasn't going to count. There's also his lawsuits which may or may not get some votes thrown out but that's gonna be a long shot.

There is a reason the counting was so slow.

Smarkil posted...

We also don't have a record of this many mail-in ballots either. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a significant amount of double counting for people that mail in and then go to the polls thinking their mail in wasn't going to count. There's also his lawsuits which may or may not get some votes thrown out but that's gonna be a long shot.

Do you think there isn't already a system in place to prevent double counting like that? We haven't had this many mail-in ballets before, but it's not a new concept and they've still had decades to figure out how to do it smoothly.

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JigsawTDC posted...

I'm so glad that Zeus, our local paragon of Bizarro land information, has decided to weigh in. Though, his Bizarro world holds no relevancy over reality!

mhm. according to him, you can vote in more the one state because absentee ballots aren't verified in any way, apparently.

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funkyfritter posted...

Do you think there isn't already a system in place to prevent double counting like that? We haven't had this many mail-in ballets before, but it's not a new concept and they've still had decades to figure out how to do it smoothly.

Sure but very few things in life are foolproof and whether its malice or accident there's a very good possibility of someone fucking up along the way. It may not be malicious, but I also wouldn't be surprised if there were some malicious actors involved giving the polarity of the election. I think its a good idea to do an audit of each of the battleground states for that reason. At least those couple that are within a percentage point or so.

I would prefer the Donald not win but I'm not going to count my chickens before they hatch. People are dumb and every system has flaws.

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Smarkil posted...

People are dumb and every system has flaws.

Including a system, or human hand, for booking the right venue for some speech or announcement. Want to do a thing at Four Seasons Hotel? Well, now you're at a landscaping firm in the middle of a not-so-impressive looking plot of land, but at least there's a neat-looking sex toy store next door.

*shrugs*

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There was probably a little bit of cheating on both sides that won't change anything

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Zeus posted...

A number of key battle ground states are supposedly being decided by 1%. Realistically there's a lot of recounting and other measures that should be going on. A few of the states that have been declared probably shouldn't have been, particularly some that were called when the margin is that small and the full state hasn't been reported. Arizona, for example, has a 0.5% difference yet it stopped reporting at 90%.

If all of the close races were re-examined or recounted, Trump could win. In fact, just TWO of the sub-1% states would mean Biden didn't get his 270 either.

Of course, the big issue is that it's too late for matters of fraud, since even if you discovered something like people had voted in two states (which given the ridiculous ease of acquiring absentee ballots is a very real possibility) there's not much you could do about it anyway now.

Also I just remembered even if PA was still up for grabs he'd still have to flip 3 states not 2. Where in the world did you get that 2 from? Or were you just taking it for granted that AZ would go for Trump after the results came in under what Trump needed?

Trump has no path. He would have to pull tens/hundreds of thousands of ballots out of his ass. It is not happening.

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Zangulus posted...

Why do people continue to let Zeus shit out of his mouth all over things he has absolutely no understanding of?

Because the site has not axed him and all his accounts? Sure, he might still make more, rendering such effort useless, but yeah...

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Maybe Zeus didn't know about the congressional districts that give electoral votes like NE2? Was I giving him too much credit by thinking he would know basic shit?

Wait no that still needs 3, where the fuck did the 2 come from?

Smarkil posted...

We also don't have a record of this many mail-in ballots either. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a significant amount of double counting for people that mail in and then go to the polls thinking their mail in wasn't going to count. There's also his lawsuits which may or may not get some votes thrown out but that's gonna be a long shot.

They have a system for that already.

Muscles posted...

There was probably a little bit of cheating on both sides that won't change anything

Proven cheating on one side. The conservative side. None on the left as of yet.

Zangulus posted...

That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

No, it says a fair deal.

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Lil69Leo posted...

Proven cheating on one side. The conservative side. None on the left as of yet.

You don't think at least 1 out of the 60+ million votes Joe got was a fraudulent ballot? I mean sure its marginal at best and won't have an impact on the outcome but there has to at least be a few

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Muscles posted...

You don't think at least 1 out of the 60+ million votes Joe got was a fraudulent ballot? I mean sure its marginal at best and won't have an impact on the outcome but there has to at least be a few

Oh probably. But one side has proven to cheat is all I'm saying. Dems are not the proven cheaters.

Lil69Leo posted...

Oh probably. But one side has proven to cheat is all I'm saying. Dems are not the proven cheaters.

Yeah, I'm not saying they stole the election or anything just that there is probably some examples if you want to look for a needle in the haystack

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When people are talking about cheating, they are talking about mass voting fraud. In this case, people are talking about mass voting fraud in the hundreds of thousands. Which is silly.

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Zangulus posted...

A lot of words meaning anything does not that post make.

Poor Zang. Would you like a Werther's?

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YahooPoster posted...

When people are talking about cheating, they are talking about mass voting fraud. In this case, people are talking about mass voting fraud in the hundreds of thousands. Which is silly.

Would never happen. Too many systems in place, too many people watching. There are watchers from both side at each counting place. counters, supervisors etc. Near impossible to do any sort of cheating at that scale. Let alone there are checklists and all that.

Dumbasses from Virginia bringing a bunch of fake ballots and guns to PA to help Trump got nailed pretty hard. I imagine they will get the book thrown at them like the idiot Trumpers who voted with their dead mothers name and the other who tried to vote twice.

Zangulus posted...

When you dont have an actual response, try attacking the person. Because that works.

you do it literally all the time

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Zangulus posted...

Why do people continue to let Zeus shit out of his mouth all over things he has absolutely no understanding of?

Because he's an easy target to make fun of. Court jesters can be entertaining! It's not like we're validating anything he's saying.

FatalAccident posted...

He still cant make 270? Those are the only remaining undeclared afaik

Even if he took all three he can't get 270. Trump's recount in Wisconsin will go nowhere because Biden won by like 20,000+ and overturning even a margin of like 5000 votes would be insane. Nevada won't be within recount range. Arizona might technically end up within range but again, not close enough to be realistic.

trump has no paths to victory. the only two states in play he is ahead in are North Carolina and Alaska, which are both irrelevant.

The only way he will win is if court cases go his way or recounts do something recounts hardly do: change the results.

Biden is president, and he's won by enough of a margin one state results flipping(because of legal challenges or recounts) won't even matter.

What we're seeing is a meltdown worse than Clinton's in 2016. At a bare minimum we see trump/his people asking for recounts. In 2016, the Clinton campaign did NOT ask for recounts, it was Jill Stein. Though the Clinton team joined in support thereafter. And Trump's team did spearhead legal challenged to stop the recounts, which failed.

Muscles posted...

There was probably a little bit of cheating on both sides that won't change anything

Pretty much. This has been the case for every election: the system isn't perfect and people do commit fraud, but there's never any cause to believe that it comprises a meaningful number of votes or that one party benefited more from it than the other. Even if we *very generously* presume that 100 times more fraud happened this election than usual and 100% of it was in Biden's favour (the former is quasi-reasonable, the latter is completely baseless and almost certainly false), you're still looking at a mere 0.1% of votes cast (estimates of fraud typically find that ~0.0009% of votes are fraudulent), which isn't enough to flip any of Biden's more contentious wins.

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Trump lost and can't/won't accept that fact. He's likely to throw a hissyfit over the next few weeks.

My only real worry is how far will he go to satisfy his childish narcissism? He can do a lot of damage between now and the inauguration in January! I doubt they'll let him but it depends on how stupid his cabinet/advisors are.

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It's gonna be glorious if alaska goes to Biden too

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Clench281 posted...

It's gonna be glorious if alaska goes to Biden too

That is not terribly likely given that it's 50% counted and there's a considerable gap between Trump and Biden (with the former having the lead, and also the state has gone red almost every election save for 1964. However, yes, such an outcome would be glorious; Biden would need 2/3 or more of the remaining votes. Considering how close it was in 2016 for Alaska compared to previous elections, it's possible, but not likely.

Actually, looking at results over the years, 1960 was the only time Alaska's results were closer (50.94% Nixon) than 2016's result for Trump (51.28%), and the following election was the first time they went blue. I'm doubtful there will necessarily be a trend here, but it makes me smile at the possibility a little more that the state could potentially go blue this time, as unlikely as it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_Alaska

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@Zeus what 2 states can be recounted and win trump the election.

BlackScythe0 posted...

@Zeus what 2 states can be recounted and win trump the election.

California and New York, duh.
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You just wait until Inauguration Day when he finally responds.

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Apparently Zeus doesn't want to answer. Anyways update to this question in the thread things have changed since my first post last night. Apparently AZ is now out of Trumps reach? And it's also not in recount range. So right now as far as I'm aware the only two states that are up for recount are WI and GA. How anyone can think Trump has any possibility to win now is beyond my ability to begin comprehending.

There are too many facts here contradicting Zeus's Bizzaroland world so he's not going to respond. Classic Zeus!

HelIWithoutSin posted...

You just wait until Inauguration Day when he finally responds.

Be nice, it takes time to concoct bullshit from practically nothing.

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