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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 4:04:49 PM
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Hawk when he in a middle of a fight (that he started by hurling a midget through a window) suddenly swapping sides.

Not denying it was a cool scene but... That came out of no where. He was like "Mywah! Cobra Kai for life! Mywah! Miguel sucks now! Mwyah! let's steal snakes! Mywah!" 2 seconds before.

They could have done him being torn better.

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RebelElite791
01/03/21 4:07:58 PM
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It came out of nowhere if you skipped every prior episode this season that showed him clearly hesitating, looking guilty, feeling left out, etc.

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Pau_Gasol_Trade
01/03/21 4:10:02 PM
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So many face and heel turns this season.
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Irony
01/03/21 4:10:27 PM
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Midget Tossing here live on the Ocho

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ZevLoveDOOM
01/03/21 4:10:30 PM
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well there were moments where he questioned Kreese's leadership...
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Mr_Karate_II
01/03/21 4:10:35 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
It came out of nowhere if you skipped every prior episode this season that showed him clearly hesitating, looking guilty, feeling left out, etc.
It was foreshadowed for a few episodes before he finally had enough. I think the seeds was planted when Kyler joined Cobra Kai.

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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 4:13:07 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
It came out of nowhere if you skipped every prior episode this season that showed him clearly hesitating, looking guilty, feeling left out, etc.
Sure but looking guilty sometimes while still doing all your evil stuff doesn't change that the turn came out of left field.

Pau_Gasol_Trade posted...
So many face and heel turns this season.
They're all heels, let's face it.

Moon is like the only face in the show and everyone acts like she's a joke.

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Mr_Karate_II
01/03/21 4:14:20 PM
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His turn back to good didn't come out of left field though.

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LinkDaLunatic
01/03/21 4:15:29 PM
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it was foreshadowed all season long and part of last season lol

what show were some of you watching
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Mr_Karate_II
01/03/21 4:19:05 PM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
it was foreshadowed all season long and part of last season lol

what show were some of you watching

I didn't really pick up on it last season but i did this season.


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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 4:20:26 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
His turn back to good didn't come out of left field though.
I disagree

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Mr_Karate_II
01/03/21 4:21:18 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I disagree
How was it out of left field when it was foreshadowed?

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SaltyWet
01/03/21 4:22:13 PM
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Hawk is just a bad character.

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LinkDaLunatic
01/03/21 4:26:14 PM
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SaltyWet posted...
Hawk is just a bad character.
no, that would be sam. even daniel almost called her out for it. regardless of how far things went, the school fight was pretty much entirely her fault. instead of owning up to any of it, she just kept making things worse.

tori might be out of control, but she's not wrong about sam.
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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 4:32:08 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
How was it out of left field when it was foreshadowed?
They foreshadowed Daniel and Johnny starting to get along.

Still would be out of the left field if in the middle of fucking Miguel's mom without a condom he went "Wait! I gotta go hug Daniel!" and ran off to do that.

Hawk literally started the fight, he spearheaded breaking into the zoo, he smashed Meat's lego toy. His heisitation at the poop things Kreese did was foreshadowed but the turn still was weird.

Like if the turn was after the fight where he saw the aftermath and Sam in a pool of blood might and it got to him, that would make sense.

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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 4:35:32 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
"Oh my God, that guy just punched my friend!"
Wait... didn't you just break your friend's arm?
Exactly so. Thank you.

Hell "Punched my friend...In a fight I started... against my friend."

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KaZooo
01/03/21 4:35:54 PM
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Well these are just HS kids so the somewhat sporadic nature is workable.

But yeah writers clearly have Sam as a central point to like every problem that comes about. I guess that's a textbook element. Make a character unlikable but if it's compelling enough, that actor/actress is really doing their job.

Like Kyler. Fucking hate that guy, but that's the point.

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LinkDaLunatic
01/03/21 4:39:14 PM
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he did break his arm. but he didn't even want to do that. and he felt extremely bad about it, they made that pretty clear. he almost stayed back to help dimitri in that scene, but hesitated and ran off.

he also wasn't comfortable with his former bullies being in cobra kai, and he wasn't comfortable with kreese's utter lack of loyalty. he was not happy about kreese kicking his friends out of the dojo. the one he was closest to in cobra kai, miguel, didn't even want to go back to it. and there was that scene where dimitri called him out for getting dumped by moon because he was being a giant asshole. he looked like he heard that loud and clear.

his face turn was totally foreshadowed. what show were some of you guys watching
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DarthAragorn
01/03/21 4:39:48 PM
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He's still a piece of shit
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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 4:44:21 PM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
he was not happy about kreese kicking his friends out of the dojo. the one he was closest to in cobra kai
The next scene was him not letting his friend join him at the table for lunch because Kreese said so...

You're missing the forest for the trees here.

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LinkDaLunatic
01/03/21 4:46:39 PM
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peer pressure, how does it work? hawk had an image to try and keep up. letting him sit at the table wasn't going to fly with anyone.
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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 4:48:43 PM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
peer pressure, how does it work?
Send in defense that a guy suddenly 180ing infront of his peers wasn't weird.

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LinkDaLunatic
01/03/21 4:53:02 PM
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he was already on the ropes about crossing cobra kai. after breaking dimitri's arm, seeing him getting ganged up on was what it took to push him over. in that moment, he hesitated again. he wanted to help his friend, and he weighed that against cobra kai. for the first time in a while, cobra kai lost that battle. the puzzle pieces fit together fairly well.
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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 5:13:42 PM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
he was already on the ropes about crossing cobra kai. after breaking dimitri's arm, seeing him getting ganged up on was what it took to push him over. in that moment, he hesitated again. he wanted to help his friend, and he weighed that against cobra kai. for the first time in a while, cobra kai lost that battle. the puzzle pieces fit together fairly well.
If you say so.

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ScazarMeltex
01/03/21 5:16:55 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
It came out of nowhere if you skipped every prior episode this season that showed him clearly hesitating, looking guilty, feeling left out, etc.
Subtlety is lost on him.

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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 5:19:14 PM
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Lol @ the notion that Cobra Kai has subtlety

The show that routinely makes fun of itself for being stupid

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Mr_Karate_II
01/03/21 5:31:07 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
If you say so.
Now you're for sure trolling.

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ScazarMeltex
01/03/21 5:33:06 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Lol @ the notion that Cobra Kai has subtlety

The show that routinely makes fun of itself for being stupid
And yet you completely missed a turn that had been telegraphed for at least three episodes. So either you aren't very observant, or it was really subtle.

Dude looked around, saw that that he was surrounded by people he didn't really like, doing shit he didn't really want to be doing, to people he didn't want to be doing it to. I think he realized that if it had been Kreese there on first day rather than Johnny, that Kreese would have had those guys beat him up and throw him out rather than teaching him what Johnny did.

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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 5:35:26 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
And yet you completely missed a turn
How did I miss it?

We're talking about it

Dude looked around, saw that that he was surrounded by people he didn't really like, doing shit he didn't really want to be doing, to

He literally started it and showed no issues with the other stuff they were doing.

people he didn't want to be doing it to.

Wut, hes done nothing but fight those dudes

I think he realized that if it had been Kreese there on first day rather than Johnny, that Kreese would have had those guys beat him up and throw him out r


You're reaching

And it's a dumb reach too that doesn't stop the turn being weird. He didn't walk in on this, he was actively gleefully doing it by choice

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ScazarMeltex
01/03/21 5:37:10 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
How did I miss it?

We're talking about it
Lol, quit wasting everyone's time dude.

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UnfairRepresent
01/03/21 5:39:44 PM
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Yeah I didn't think you had a point either

Winner: UnfairRepresent

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RetsuZaiZen
01/03/21 8:57:50 PM
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SaltyWet posted...
Hawk is just a bad character.

Yessss....I hate this kid.

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UnfairRepresent
01/04/21 12:46:57 PM
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RetsuZaiZen posted...
Yessss....I hate this kid.
I like him.

I'm a big fan of sympathetic villains with human flaws and Lip has a lifetime of abuse and bullying from kids and even his best friend.

Miguel was the one and only dude who was ever nice to him and he wasn't there for Miguel when he got hurt.

It's a good character.

Half the point of the show is that anyone can be "good" or "evil" it's just about what they do and how the people around them influenced them.

Daniel could have been Kreese if Mr. Miyagi didn't penetrate his arrogance and teach him a better path.

Johnny could have and still can be a good person if he gets Kreese and his Stepdad out of his brain.

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PoundGarden
01/04/21 12:55:42 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I disagree

Literally *nobody* who actually paid attention agrees with you.

UR is wrong and nobody agrees with him, fresh and new. Can we just skip to the part where you call everyone horrible, pretend to be disgusted and mark everyone?

10 years of this bullshit, Jesus Christ

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EnvoyOfTheLight
01/04/21 2:12:27 PM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
no, that would be sam. even daniel almost called her out for it. regardless of how far things went, the school fight was pretty much entirely her fault. instead of owning up to any of it, she just kept making things worse.

tori might be out of control, but she's not wrong about sam.

What exactly did Sam do, make a drunken mistake and immediately realize it? Tori's the one constantly instigating shit.

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UnfairRepresent
01/04/21 2:15:20 PM
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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...
What exactly did Sam do, make a drunken mistake and immediately realize it? Tori's the one constantly instigating shit.
Sam keeps leading people on

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EnvoyOfTheLight
01/04/21 2:16:27 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Sam keeps leading people on

You know I can't put in the effort if you don't

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Socrawheeze
01/05/21 11:55:55 AM
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Agree. It felt so out of nowhere. He had like 2 seconds prior the entire season where it looked like he felt bad. Then just in the middle of this fucking massacre he's like i'mma change sides

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UnfairRepresent
01/06/21 6:36:46 PM
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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...
You know I can't put in the effort if you don't
wut

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