Board 8 > FFXIV Topic Part 3 -- Moon's Haunted

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Moon's haunted.

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i'm happy with this topic title

i would also have accepted sickness must be purged
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When is the next Shadowbringers MSQ patch?

Unless it's super soon, I don't think I will have an issue catching up. Another 2 weeks or so I'd assume.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

When is the next Shadowbringers MSQ patch?

Unless it's super soon, I don't think I will have an issue catching up. Another 2 weeks or so I'd assume.

April 13.

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By the way, Stormblood is probably a good time to start leveling up a side class or two if you're interested in doing so. A few roulettes a day will go a long way.

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Oh yeah no prob.

Hopefully it doesn't live at the 2 AM turnover or something.

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KamikazePotato posted...

By the way, Stormblood is probably a good time to start leveling up a side class or two if you're interested in doing so. A few roulettes a day will go a long way.

Been thinking this, since I'm already at 69 and just beat Susanoo (MEGA PARRY). Thinking Samurai, maybe Dancer for the extra 10 level head start. Don't want to get invested in tanking or healing until I've caught up.

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i will say its really useful to have a tank/healer leveled, just for random things. that said you're leveling different stuff than RDM (melee and ranged vs caster), so it's not a huge loss to go samurai or dancer.

i don't think it'd be bad to get a tank going though, they're pretty useful if you ever decide to join hunt trains at max level so you can guarantee full credit even if a party you join has people asleep at the wheel. this sentence probably doesn't make sense to you yet so don't worry about it too much if you think you'd have more fun with dps classes.
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Oh I will go for those classes right after for sure. I really just mean in regards to which class I will have as a backup so the huge MSQ experience doesn't go to waste.

And then...I need to decide on a craft job.

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oh gotcha, yeah i did the same thing for MSQ exp but with RDM, carry on
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Healing is an entirely different ballgame, but tanking in non-Extreme/Savage content is basically just like playing a melee DPS while getting to ignore some mechanics. You could start tanking whenever and be fine.

The only melee DPS I feel comfortable writing a quick guide for is Ninja, so if someone else wants to chime in about Samurai, feel free.

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Worth mentioning that you will want to prioritize getting a tank, healer, caster, and physical (melee or ranged) to 80 for some extra lore in Shadowbringers that imo is totally worth it. No rush to do so, you can do the quests at any point after completing the story, just a heads up.

Also they said they are going to use this same system for Endwalker, but actually split melee and ranged physical for 5 questlines.

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Having just completed the lore quests in Shadowbringers; they were super worth it. Highlights of the story so far.

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I watched most of that presentation from a few weeks ago recently, skipping around spoilery stuff. Saw that part where they're going to be turning Astro into pure healer and get rid of the barrier stuff and swapping between the heal roles.

Isn't that...the entire point of Astro? How exactly would that work?

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KamikazePotato posted...

Having just completed the lore quests in Shadowbringers; they were super worth it. Highlights of the story so far.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Worth mentioning that you will want to prioritize getting a tank, healer, caster, and physical (melee or ranged) to 80 for some extra lore in Shadowbringers that imo is totally worth it. No rush to do so, you can do the quests at any point after completing the story, just a heads up.

Also they said they are going to use this same system for Endwalker, but actually split melee and ranged physical for 5 questlines.

Seems like this was a very good incentive on their part, and aligns with my plans, but I imagine some people aren't happy about it lol.

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In my opinion the individual class quest storylines tend to end on a solid note at Level 70, and anything beyond that would have felt like artificially extending those narratives.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Seems like this was a very good incentive on their part, and aligns with my plans, but I imagine some people aren't happy about it lol.

Actually not too much complaining! Most criticism I see is just about how they replaced job quests, which is fair. But overall I think this is better; the quality of the job storylines are HIGHLY variable between jobs and even within jobs between expansions. For every Dark Knight (legit one of the best storylines in the entire game) you have a White Mage (THE TAINT). 5.0 gave us 4 uniformly good questlines and a great bonus for doing them all.

KamikazePotato posted...

In my opinion the individual class quest storylines tend to end on a solid note at Level 70, and anything beyond that would have felt like artificially extending those narratives.

You do get epilogue quests at 80 that are generally pretty good, I wouldn't mind if they made them a bit more involved in the future but I think it's a good model.

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Dark Knight storyline is in the top 1% of writing in the entire game, not just side quests. Conversely, when I was leveling White Mage, at one point I told my friend "all I've been doing is going around purifying the taint. Look, I'm going to talk to this guy, I bet he's going to say something unimportant then go tell me to purify more taint." He did.

My general class quest storyline ranking from what I've played so far would be:

Top:
Dark Knight

Great:
Rogue

Mostly Good:
Ninja, Machinist

Not Bad:
Red Mage, Pugilist, Samurai (50-60), Gunbreaker

Sub-Par:
Arcanist, Summoner, Marauder, Warrior, Lancer, Archer, Thaumaturge

Bad:
Samurai (60-70), Conjurer, White Mage

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Oh, right, Beast Tribe stuff. Taking care to unlock them all but haven't don't them. That's supposed to be a good source of EXP while waiting for roullete, right?

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Beast Tribes a great consistent EXP source. Their storylines are hit-or-miss, but at the very least it's easy EXP you can pump into a class while waiting for queues to pop.

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As for role quests: Healer>Physical>Magical>Tank no question

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Healer>>Magical>Tank>Melee, with Melee still being pretty great

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KamikazePotato posted...

Sub-Par:
Arcanist, Summoner, Marauder, Warrior, Lancer, Archer, Thaumaturge

What is this Curious Gorge slander?

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Look the only legit good ARR class storyline is Rogue/Ninja and I'm sticking to that

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I hated the 50/60 NIN storyline tbqh, but part of that was the Rogues were too good. Conversely the ONLY good part of the NIN quests is the comic relief antagonist who shows up occasionally. 60-70 was way better because they bring the Rogues back and take the absolute piss out of the Ninja stuff.

My favorite non-DRK job quests are AST and MCH pretty easily. They are good all the way through which very few jobs manage. SCH and SMN are also solid, they can drag a bit but SCH's is cute and both have some neat lore buried in them.

Also I rag on CNJ/WHM but I do have to give a special shoutout to the character of Sylphie who has blessed this game with one of its best memes


and the 60-70 quests are honestly pretty good and not only give her a redemption arc but rightfully shit on the Padjal who suck ass

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Also I rag on CNJ/WHM but I do have to give a special shoutout to the character of Sylphie who has blessed this game with one of its best memes

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The Ninja questline is good just because of how tonally different it is from the others. It's pretty much a Japanese farcical comedy/Saturday morning cartoon plot.

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Did you know that if you afk in a Trust run with AI partners, you can still get kicked for inactivity? Cause I just learned that.

I just wanted to get dinner :(

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KamikazePotato posted...

Did you know that if you afk in a Trust run with AI partners, you can still get kicked for inactivity? Cause I just learned that.

I just wanted to get dinner :(

I did indeed know that, same circumstance happened to me lol.

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Urianger ain't got time for your shit

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KamikazePotato posted...

Did you know that if you afk in a Trust run with AI partners, you can still get kicked for inactivity? Cause I just learned that.

I just wanted to get dinner :(

Yep Ive definitely had this happen before

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Use what we do in Eureka and just /hudlayout

The game won't kick you for inactivity while you have the HUD layout screen up.

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So I....THINK I understand Dancer at 60? Just not sure if I should be doing something with the Simon Says game other than hitting the two colors in gives me then using Standard finish.

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OK, did a leveling duty before bed for Dancer.

That was fun! Being able to walk around all the time is wild! I've literally never tried anything but casters so far.

Ranged physical role actions seem fairly...unimportant? Other than that quick insta heal, but that cooldown is wild for it.

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You're forgetting about the best role action in the game!

As ranged it's your duty to use Peloton every time your group is out of combat...!

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What a confusing skill to have, lol.

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That quick instant heal will save your life.

Ranged Physical DPS are generally considered the easiest role to play due to the freedom of movement you mentioned. They deal with mechanics more easily than any other role type. As a result, their optimal damage is a fair bit lower than the other DPS roles...which honestly barely matters in the grand scheme of things. In casual content, enrage timers (a.k.a. mechanics that kill everyone if a certain amount of damage isn't dealt in a specific period of time) are rare, and when they do pop up, are designed to be able to be cleared by people who aren't very good so that everyone who plays FF14 can see the story. In hardcore content, enrage timers become a much bigger deal, but harsh, party-wiping mechanics become an even bigger deal, and the flexibility of a Dancer or Machinist or Bard is reeeeally nice to have in any team comp, cause you can't deal damage when you're dead.

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I guess my only complaint thus far is that I wish the AoE versions of the skills also transformed for the dance, and not just the single target versions. Makes setting up the hotbar a little less fluid.

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Make sure you always pick a dance partner when doing level 60+ content

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For being a somewhat simple class, Dancer is a lot of fun! It was the first job I got to 80.

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BK_Sheikah00 posted...

Make sure you always pick a dance partner when doing level 60+ content

protip: when in doubt about who would be the best dance partner (ie, who does the most damage), a quick way to gauge is check who has the most hp (out of dps). not 100% but a decent rule of thumb if you don't know relative class damages

but if they die a lot, feel free to revoke the partner privilege and move it elsewhere
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Second Wind is an amazing skill that can bail you out in Extremes and Savages. Great to hit after a raid wide.

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I will mess around with the particulars, though I'm really not confused by this level 60 kit at all. With Samurai at 50, supposedly one of the easiest classes to play, I was pretty lost. That may just be me getting more comfortable with the game, though.

Most quick guides for ranged melee I'm seeing are saying to just hit role actions other than Second Wind and Pelotan whenever they're up and not think about them too hard.

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Dancer is probably the single easiest job to pick up and play, though I wouldn't get discouraged from being overwhelmed by Samurai. I had to look up a few things when I unlocked it recently and while it does click fast it required knowing how melee classes tend to work in this game. They usually have a dps combo and a buff upkeep combo, and SAM is a bit weird because it has 3 combos instead of two.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Most quick guides for ranged melee I'm seeing are saying to just hit role actions other than Second Wind and Pelotan whenever they're up and not think about them too hard.

You're probably reading an outdated guide. Some of them I think USED to do damage but do not anymore.

You really only need to pay attention to a few, besides the two you mentioned, and even those are pretty niche.

Arm's Length: This prevents knockback, and is the physical equivalent to Surecast on casters. You can use it to ignore certain mechanics that push you around. It's also a defensive ability for trash mobs on tanks due to the slow.

Head Graze: Is a silence, which allows you to interrupt enemy cast bars that flash red. Nothing in normal content tends to require this IIRC but you will find occasional uses for it here and there. Only tanks and ranged have silences, melee dps have stuns which are slightly different (enemies can be immune to it) so this is something that's part of those roles.

The other two are a heavy and a bind, which are so much more niche than even the two above they are essentially useless.

Edit: Also there is a secret ranged role action that is more important than literally all of these, and that's the damage mitigation. But instead of a generic role action varient they made it a "unique" job skill for all 3 roles, even though it does the same damn thing and they don't even stack with each other. On Dancer it's called Shield Samba. It reduces damage for the party by 10% for 15 seconds, so you basically use it when there's a big aoe hit incoming.

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I honestly don't know why heavy and bind skills even still exist in PvE content

Also, if you're wondering why ranged role actions suck ass, it's because we used to have a whole bunch of awesome ones they removed for being too complex and then just.......never came up with anything better for us to do

yoshi-p pls give me my role complexity back I'd like to get rid of this dps penalty

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yeah ranged really do need to go back to having more utility/complexity
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MCH has big robot... how more much utility do you need?

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i would appreciate it if MCH could let their party members do cool flippy doos like they do
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GANON1025 posted...

MCH has big robot... how more much utility do you need?

at one point MCH was the highest DPS job in the game and now it's bottom 3 so clearly the robot should be made bigger

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