Poll of the Day > Has Putin actually said he wants to reestablish the Soviet Union/Russian empire?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Or actually said that Ukraine illegally seceded from the Soviet Union? Ive heard a bunch of things to that effect but cant find any actual clips or articles where hes actually said it.

He has said a lot of things, but they reek of the brand of lies you'd expect from the GOP politicians or their sponsors' media outlet. I'm not about to go digging for examples, myself, either.

I believe there was supposed to have been a victory article that was written prior to the invasion that was accidentally posted after the initial invasion plans failed on Russian state media. Basically they claimed Ukraine didn't actually exist and was just part of Russia that was being reincorporated and suggested they didn't intend to stop with Ukraine.

sort of yeah. russian state media accidentally posted a "victory article" they had prepared thinking that the invasion would be over quickly. they took it down right away but it was preserved.

First two paragraphs using google translate from Russian:

A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later.

Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

Here's a question. What will happen when it turns on Belarus? I mean, if their goal is to restore the USSR it's gonna have to take it. At the same time they've basically been acting as Russia's puppet. So are they gonna, like, suddenly go 'we want to join Russia!'? Plus what about the soviet satellite nations? You know, the ones that weren't part of the USSR but were basically controlled by them? Especially since ones like Poland are now part of NATO and/or don't want to rejoin?

What's that one saying? "Actions speak louder than words."

Unbridled9 posted...

Here's a question. What will happen when it turns on Belarus? I mean, if their goal is to restore the USSR it's gonna have to take it. At the same time they've basically been acting as Russia's puppet. So are they gonna, like, suddenly go 'we want to join Russia!'? Plus what about the soviet satellite nations? You know, the ones that weren't part of the USSR but were basically controlled by them? Especially since ones like Poland are now part of NATO and/or don't want to rejoin?

Belarus is fineso long as they have a groveling puppet leader. And they do. If they overthrow him (like Ukraine) then theyll get invaded.

I don't think there is one singular goal to point to, but multiple ones. That said, I don't care much about his motives. Natural resources, restoring Russia, etc... none of the justifications/goals I've heard seem sufficient reason.

He wasn't recorded saying the N word, it's unfair to call it racist

Unbridled9 posted...

Here's a question. What will happen when it turns on Belarus? I mean, if their goal is to restore the USSR it's gonna have to take it. At the same time they've basically been acting as Russia's puppet. So are they gonna, like, suddenly go 'we want to join Russia!'?

Belarus, unlike Ukraine, has never drifted far from Moscow's orbit. They're ruled by one of the most oppressive dictators in the world, who sees significant benefit in staying close to Russia (Lukashenko knows that Russia has his back, which they proved when they helped him put down civil unrest after the last [nakedly corrupt] elections). Even if you could oust Lukashenko, there's still substantial pro-Russia sentiment in the populace.

Unbridled9 posted...

Here's a question. What will happen when it turns on Belarus? I mean, if their goal is to restore the USSR it's gonna have to take it. At the same time they've basically been acting as Russia's puppet. So are they gonna, like, suddenly go 'we want to join Russia!'? Plus what about the soviet satellite nations? You know, the ones that weren't part of the USSR but were basically controlled by them? Especially since ones like Poland are now part of NATO and/or don't want to rejoin?

Is it not immediatly obvious that Belarus is ready to submit to full annexation? They're already little more than a puppet state for Russia. Russia doesn't need to "turn" on them because they're already allies.

This wasn't how the USSR even worked. The USSR was a collection of nations, this would just be a conquest. It wouldn't be reforming the USSR, it'd just be expanding Russia's territory.

The_Viscount posted...

This wasn't how the USSR even worked. The USSR was a collection of nations, this would just be a conquest. It wouldn't be reforming the USSR, it'd just be expanding Russia's territory.

The USSR was a "collection" of nations all directly controlled and subservient to one nation.

Ukraine didn't voluntarily starve it's entire population for years.

It's kind of funny to hear people saying that Ukraine offered so much resistance that the invasion stopped at only 10%.

They keep forgetting that Russia wanted only to protect Donetsk and Lugansk and whatever happened to be between those two.

The notion that they want to invade all of Ukraine was a lie made by White House.

Also putting this here because it stuck to the right button of my mouse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6a5ojDpDcQ

^ I would ask where you sit in the Kremlin if I thought there was any chance the Kremlin cared about GameFAQs. That was a strange post. A few things:
1) Given that the video isn't made available by the uploader I assume you're posting from Russia...or close enough. Yes?
2) "The notion that they want to invade all of Ukraine was a lie made by White House" Sooo...why the huge column of tanks/etc coming out of Belarus heading for Kiev? That seems pretty easy to disprove. At a bare minimum they want to establish a puppet government: Putin himself has said as much.
3) 'Anyone can make war but only the most courageous can make peace' - President Donald J Trump. I...don't know what to say. The quote speaks for itself.

Cool name. Reminds me of this:

https://i.redd.it/zfpniy2axm141.jpg

Ouch: a Pokemon burn. That hurts, man.

I guess that's easier than replying to my points, anyways?

Sorry, I just can't get past your name to take you seriously.

Bummer, it looked like there was a fun debate to be had there.

Well, WPOT actually stands for "Worst Person On Team" so feel free to run with that if you'd like.

Lobomoon posted...

Russia wanted only to protect Donetsk and Lugansk and whatever happened to be between those two

wpot posted...

Sooo...why the huge column of tanks/etc coming out of Belarus heading for Kiev?

yeah really, attempted encirclement of Kiev, attempted landings at Odessa, but no, Russia only wants the Donbas... oh, wait, "whatever happened to be between Donetsk and Lugansk"??? so what about Mariupol?

bad trolling attempt is all I can figure which is why it immediately turned into a weak insult. maybe he needs more mayo.

I feel like he was going to try to pretend to be non-Russian but the obviously only viewable in Russia link made it fall apart. But it was kind of weird all around, so who knows?