Current Events > Saw a "Homeschool or Die" bumper sticker today

(+) Yeah! (+)

As in the "Join or Die" snake

These people are unhinged

Homeschooling is a good idea that gets used for the wrong reasons.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Homeschooling is a good idea that gets used for the wrong reasons.

I think that might be giving it too much credit.

AldousIsDead posted...

I think that might be giving it too much credit.

Maybe... I think it appeals to me because my parents gave me NO guidance so the idea of getting complete attention from the person you are supposed to learn from is a grass is greener type thing. I suppose there are private schools with low enough numbers anyway.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Homeschooling is a good idea that gets used for the wrong reasons.

Homeschooling is pretty bad on average due to the lack of social interaction.

You don't socialise if you're home schooled. That's half the point of the school system.

LightHawKnight posted...

Homeschooling is pretty bad on average due to the lack of social interaction.

I think the idea is to have your kids interact with other homeschooled kids, or just do that outside of school. I used to live in a townhouse complex and there were two homeschooled families. Both sets of kids got a ton of interactions since it was a self contained housing kinda thing and there were plenty of kids.

It doesn't mean much to me because you can come out of and go into schools completely socially inept and not learn a thing on that front.

I mean you most likely won't be the victim of a school shooting if you're home schooled

MedeaLysistrata posted...

think the idea is to have your kids interact with other homeschooled kids, or just do that outside of school.

Yeah I had a friend that was homeschooled. He would go to homeschool groups where there would be a bunch of other homeschool kids to interact and play. Plus he was active in church youth group

MedeaLysistrata posted...

I think the idea is to have your kids interact with other homeschooled kids, or just do that outside of school. I used to live in a townhouse complex and there were two homeschooled families. Both sets of kids got a ton of interactions since it was a self contained housing kinda thing and there were plenty of kids.

It doesn't mean much to me because you can come out of and go into schools completely socially inept and not learn a thing on that front.

That doesnt fix the problem much if at all. Just having a few people to interact with is no where near as good as having an entire school of people to socialize with.

LightHawKnight posted...

That doesnt fix the problem much if at all. Just having a few people to interact with is no where near as good as having an entire school of people to socialize with.

Yes I think having access to a diverse crowd of people to potentially interact with is important. I guess it just depends on whether you think schools should be for socialization or education. It's very clear that you can have access to diverse social groups through sports, church, clubs, whatever. School is just the garden variety option for that. But none of those places are for learning specifically.

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Not wrong. Teachers are less emotionally invested in the kid so they can be neutral and less impassioned.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Yes I think having access to a diverse crowd of people to potentially interact with is important. I guess it just depends on whether you think schools should be for socialization or education. It's very clear that you can have access to diverse social groups through sports, church, clubs, whatever. School is just the garden variety option for that. But none of those places are for learning specifically.

It should be for both. Kids need to socialize and need to be educated. Thats why remote learning isnt ever going to be a permanent thing.

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On the other hand unfortunately teachers can't do much if a kid starts to struggle.

I mostly mean having good parents who can teach their kid stuff is important. I guess the homeschooling thing doesn't make much of a difference if you actually have quality parents. Having bad parents can make school utterly useless. At some level it's on the kid to do their work I guess.

LightHawKnight posted...

It should be for both. Kids need to socialize and need to be educated. Thats why remote learning isnt ever going to be a permanent thing.

I don't see how that adds anything that clubs + homeschool lacks. like you said there needs to be both, but school isn't really better than the other analogues. You can still have a bad school experience and have the entire investment go to waste.

LightHawKnight posted...

Homeschooling is pretty bad on average due to the lack of social interaction.

Yeah, that messed me up. Also, my parents didn't know how regressive it was beforehand, even in the 90s. In the history textbook, my mom actually had to sit me down and be like "you know it wasn't like this, right?", because it depicted the civil rights movement as antagonistic.

I ended up not receiving an education at all for like 5 years

MedeaLysistrata posted...

I don't see how that adds anything that clubs + homeschool lacks. like you said there needs to be both, but school isn't really better than the other analogues. You can still have a bad school experience and have the entire investment go to waste.

It adds a lot. You have to deal with more than just like minded people at school. You get everything thrown at you and you learn from that.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

I don't see how that adds anything that clubs + homeschool lacks. like you said there needs to be both, but school isn't really better than the other analogues. You can still have a bad school experience and have the entire investment go to waste.

Well that's assuming that the lack of social interaction is supplemented in some way. Two of my cousins were homeschooled and they just never had any friends growing up. They lived out in the valley and there weren't many kids in their area.

They wish they could have had a normal school experience. Because at home they got: no field trips, no school dances, no homecoming, no prom, no love life, nothing.

LightHawKnight posted...

It adds a lot. You have to deal with more than just like minded people at school. You get everything thrown at you and you learn from that.

That is a pretty big, sweeping assumption to say everyone 'benefits' from public socialization. Some people don't learn a thing, some learn that life is absolutely terrible. Most people learn that conformity is super important. Some of the lessons you learn on the social side of school are pretty negative.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

That is a pretty big, sweeping assumption to say everyone 'benefits' from public socialization. Some people don't learn a thing, some learn that life is absolutely terrible. Most people learn that conformity is super important. Some of the lessons you learn on the social side of school are pretty negative.

As an introvert who hates people, its not. Humans are social creatures and going to school benefits all.

LightHawKnight posted...

As an introvert who hates people, its not. Humans are social creatures and going to school benefits all.

plenty of people utterly hated their school experience to the point they dropped out to get a ged instead

MedeaLysistrata posted...

plenty of people utterly hated their school experience to the point they dropped out to get a ged instead

Uh uh. Apparently you dont know what plenty means.

LightHawKnight posted...

Uh uh. Apparently you dont know what plenty means.

it doesn't really matter. not everyone benefits from school. it's not really up for debate. school makes some people's lives' actively worse. if you want to say most people don't have that experience that's fine but you have to acknowledge it is a reality.

LightHawKnight posted...

As an introvert who hates people, its not. Humans are social creatures and going to school benefits all.

Being a closeted queer kid watching openly gay kids get relentlessly tormented/beaten by rednecks isn't what I consider beneficial

Public school ain't for everyone

Ilishe posted...

You don't socialise if you're home schooled. That's half the point of the school system.

But what could go wrong with dumping tens of thousands of 18 year olds into the real world that were raised in mommy and daddy's bubble at home?

littlebro07 posted...

I mean you most likely won't be the victim of a school shooting if you're home schooled

It's....eh, probable. Maybe less so in the south.

I've personally never come across someone that went through homeschooling that wasn't socially maladjusted in a big way.

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I don't get how someone can hold a bad representation of something in their head to the complete exclusion of good representations of that thing. mind boggling.

Honestly, the vocal anti-school proponents of late just seem to have very little faith in either themselves or their children. Like if their children see or hear anything that didn't come first out of their mouths, then they will lose all control and never be able to teach their kids anything again. Their children are just mindless sponges that will fully internalize the first words they hear on any subject and never be able to hear anything on it ever again.