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voldothegr8 12/30/22 7:58:07 AM #1: |
https://www.shutterbulky.com/dog-behavior/ Can we all agree now it's not just all about how you raise them? --- Oda break tracker 2022- 13 (3) | THE Ohio State:11-1 | Las Vegas Raiders: 6-9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 12/30/22 8:03:03 AM #2: |
pibbles are unique, they have no genetic sort of pre-disposition. they are pure and clean. perfect clay to be molded by their patrician masters --- The stone that fell is still falling, so let that stone be a wondrous thing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 12/30/22 9:14:59 AM #3: |
viewmaster_pi posted... pibbles are unique, they have no genetic sort of pre-disposition. they are pure and clean. perfect clay to be molded by their patrician mastersWouldn't hurt a fly --- Oda break tracker 2022- 13 (3) | THE Ohio State:11-1 | Las Vegas Raiders: 6-9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shironinja 12/30/22 9:16:40 AM #5: |
So humans are the same then and probably this has been known for some time. --- Now or never. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 12/30/22 9:17:11 AM #6: |
voldothegr8 posted... Can we all agree now it's not just all about how you raise them?Nobody said that, just that training is a major component and that bad owners are likely to have bad dogs, and most importantly, all owners are 100% responsible for any action their dog takes. This is like one of those studies they do to prove the sky is blue or some shit. There's no revelation here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrKapowski 12/30/22 9:19:21 AM #7: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/8/AASSvUAADP1i.jpg --- So! You want to hear a story, eh? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 12/30/22 9:23:17 AM #9: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] poundgarden has based his personality on this gimmick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagr_68 12/30/22 9:26:48 AM #10: |
Much like how scientists have also claimed black people were the best natural athletes and runners cuz genetics. It's all finally coming full circle... --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 12/30/22 9:29:16 AM #11: |
These mfs did a survey lmao --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 12/30/22 9:34:48 AM #12: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... Nobody said that, Winning the tour de France in reverse here. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Background_Guy 12/30/22 9:41:40 AM #13: |
Okay but how will this board cope when the behavioral assessment surveys don't show increased aggression in pitbulls? And when the scientists don't locate the Super Evil Aggression gene? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 12/30/22 9:45:15 AM #14: |
Background_Guy posted... Okay but how will this board cope when the behavioral assessment surveys don't show increased aggression in pitbulls?it was rigged, big pibble got to them by which i mean a literal big pibble threatened them to change the results --- The stone that fell is still falling, so let that stone be a wondrous thing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AloneIBreak 12/30/22 9:51:00 AM #15: |
Same for humans. --- "If a society can in all conscience permit the cruel treatment of any man, ultimately it will allow it for all." -Bertrand Russell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Background_Guy 12/30/22 9:57:37 AM #16: |
Anyway, genetic testing of dog breeds to explain and predict behavior isn't a new thing. There was even a different study published earlier this year https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8819838/ An important finding was Pit Bull-type dogs in our community sample, as a group, were not more aggressive or likely to have a behavioral diagnosis than other dogs. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 12/30/22 1:33:55 PM #17: |
Background_Guy posted... Anyway, genetic testing of dog breeds to explain and predict behavior isn't a new thing. There was even a different study published earlier this year --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 12/30/22 1:35:57 PM #18: |
buncha fuckin' haters in this topic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/30/22 1:52:22 PM #20: |
Anyone who doesn't believe in dog genetics is in denial. Dogs all are about genetics towards different tasks All dogs started as wolves. For all human history, we messed with their breeding to get different kinds of dogs to help us. Every breed is from a specific breeding project to create a dog that is good at a certain thing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 12/30/22 1:54:28 PM #21: |
Zikten posted... Anyone who doesn't believe in dog genetics is in denial. Dogs all are about genetics towards different tasks So you agree with this then? Background_Guy posted... An important finding was Pit Bull-type dogs in our community sample, as a group, were not more aggressive or likely to have a behavioral diagnosis than other dogs. --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/30/22 1:55:48 PM #22: |
I dont know. I think pit bulls probably are genetically inclined for aggression . It's the reason they were bred ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 12/30/22 1:57:16 PM #23: |
Zikten posted... I dont know. I think pit bulls probably are genetically inclined for aggression . It's the reason they were bredThere's a study right there that states they're not genetically inclined for aggression. --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Taharqa_ 12/30/22 1:57:59 PM #24: |
Zikten posted... I dont know. I think pit bulls probably are genetically inclined for aggression . It's the reason they were bred Animal aggression. They have bulldog and terrier ancestry, they will have a higher level of animal aggression due to that fact. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/30/22 1:58:03 PM #25: |
Smashingpmkns posted... There's a study right there that states they're not genetically inclined for aggression.Well maybe I don't agree with the study then. I have understood all my life that dogs are controlled by their genes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 12/30/22 2:01:12 PM #26: |
Zikten posted... Well maybe I don't agree with the study then. I have understood all my life that dogs are controlled by their genesLmao it couldn't possibly be you who is wrong in this case though right? --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I4NRulez 12/30/22 2:02:09 PM #27: |
voldothegr8 posted... Can we all agree now it's not just all about how you raise them? Everyone already knew that. Studies have shown that pit bulls arent naturally dangerous. Also, other studies have shown that herding dogs for example don't herd by nature but they have bred in qualities that make them better for herding. Huskies and Malamutes are good examples of this. If you don't use them to sled they won't just start pulling you down the street. You wouldn't be able to just attach them to a shopping cart and they know what to do. Also, if we used the "They were bred for this". Pitbulls would never attack people because the dogs used in dog fighting were bred to be animal/dog aggressive. If they attacked people they would get put down or beaten. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 12/30/22 2:02:18 PM #28: |
Zikten posted...
Ok Dr. Zikten. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lost_All_Senses 12/30/22 2:03:43 PM #29: |
Let's keep in mind not only will they reject contradicting information, but also all first hand experience. So, it's just absolutely no want to see any other perspective ever. They just wanna demonize people's family members cause it's convenient for them to not understand their own fears might not be completely validated --- Name checks out "I don't wanna be the toughest, I just keep it 100 and think nothin of it"- Black Thought ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eggcorn 12/30/22 2:37:07 PM #30: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... Nobody said thatI spit my tea out. --- Warning: This post may contain triggering or distressing content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 12/30/22 6:02:20 PM #31: |
Smashingpmkns posted... An important finding was Pit Bull-type dogs in our community sample, as a group, were not more aggressive or likely to have a behavioral diagnosis than other dogs. We've been over this many times. Yes there are dogs like Chihuahuas that are more aggressive. The difference is what happens during an attack. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heartomaton 12/30/22 6:06:46 PM #32: |
inb4 500 --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 12/30/22 6:07:13 PM #33: |
So you're basically saying that dogs are the Lord of Darkness from Kamen Rider Agito --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ratchetrockon 12/30/22 6:08:08 PM #34: |
They are nanny dog --- I'm a Taurus I like collecting headphones and iems. My fave game of all time is DMC 3 SE on PC w/ style switch mod. IMO it the best button masher on earth ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 12/30/22 8:52:32 PM #35: |
Tyranthraxus posted... We've been over this many times. Yes there are dogs like Chihuahuas that are more aggressive. The difference is what happens during an attack.Yeah we have been over this before and I've explained many times the reason why pitbulls get a bad wrap. You all (including you) dig your heels in on behavioral habits of pitbulls being a genetic thing. Here's proof it isn't and that it's a learned trait. Killing off an entire breed of dog because some owners are shit is inhumane. --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 12/30/22 9:03:16 PM #36: |
it's not proof of anything except their community's sample they studied didn't display aggressive traits. what kind of pits were they? purebred from a clean pedigree? i have a feeling they aren't having the pitbulls you see on the news being volunteered for this study. get some of the backyard inbred ones, or the fighting stock, and see what their genetics have to say. i've never said all pitbulls are bad, (apab, lol) but there's a very large chunk of the breed's living population that's treated like trash, bred in worse and worse conditions, end up fucked up and shoveled off into a dumpster, or used as fighting/bait dogs, or sold off in triplicate to trashy owners that leave them chained up all the time. those are the pits that are being bred the most, so let's get a study on the ones the worst affected instead of cherry picking "good" ones and saying "see, they aren't bad lalala i can't hear you" --- The stone that fell is still falling, so let that stone be a wondrous thing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 12/30/22 9:05:45 PM #37: |
"It doesn't prove anything because it doesn't support my ignorant beliefs" --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_pika 12/30/22 9:08:30 PM #38: |
viewmaster_pi posted... pibbles are unique, they have no genetic sort of pre-disposition. they are pure and clean. perfect clay to be molded by their patrician masters that is not true. Pibbles have a genetic predisposition to be nanny dogs, the sweetest dogs you will ever meet, that will lick you to death and wear flower tiaras and stuff. Pibble moms in Facebook told me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 12/30/22 9:16:29 PM #39: |
Smashingpmkns posted... "It doesn't prove anything because it doesn't support my ignorant beliefs"but it does prove something when it supports yours, lol. go figure i really don't need to hear shit from you after you decided you'd rather personally insult me over this instead of, you know, talking like an adult. if you want to be heard and taken seriously, maybe you should think about that before flapping off at the mouth like a little kid in every one of these threads because the kind of dog you own has a bad reputation and you feel attacked by it i mean attacked by the reputation, not the dog, lol. let's hope for your sake it stays that way, huh --- The stone that fell is still falling, so let that stone be a wondrous thing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ratchetrockon 12/30/22 9:19:06 PM #40: |
the_pika posted... that is not true. Pibbles have a genetic predisposition to be nanny dogs, the sweetest dogs you will ever meet, that will lick you to death and wear flower tiaras and stuff. Pibble moms in Facebook told me Yes they synergize well with babies --- I'm a Taurus I like collecting headphones and iems. My fave game of all time is DMC 3 SE on PC w/ style switch mod. IMO it the best button masher on earth ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 12/30/22 9:29:29 PM #41: |
viewmaster_pi posted... but it does prove something when it supports yours, lol. go figureLmao yes it does prove something when it supports mine? There's literally no study that supports your stance. And I really don't give a shit about trudging through another drawn out, multiple page long argument with you or the rest of you. Your beliefs are constantly proven wrong by scientists and professionals in the field. Just because you "feel" a certain way doesn't mean shit when those feelings have not only been proven to be demonstrably false but also morally repugnant. So okay have a good day! --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 12/30/22 9:29:56 PM #42: |
How about linking to the actual paper and discussing from the data? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 12/30/22 9:34:55 PM #43: |
Smashingpmkns posted... There's literally no study that supports your stance.no shit, that's my point, they don't want to use a relevant baseline that has anything to do with what we see happening. no one's accusing some kennel club type showdog pibble named Archibald von Fluffenstuff, Herald of Queen's Teatime of craving human blood. they're worlds apart, not even in the equation --- The stone that fell is still falling, so let that stone be a wondrous thing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/30/22 9:54:46 PM #44: |
viewmaster_pi posted... it's not proof of anything except their community's sample they studied didn't display aggressive traits. what kind of pits were they? purebred from a clean pedigree? i have a feeling they aren't having the pitbulls you see on the news being volunteered for this study. get some of the backyard inbred ones, or the fighting stock, and see what their genetics have to say. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8819838/ Dog owners residing anywhere in the US were recruited to participate through public announcements. One was targeted to behaviorally diagnosed dog patients at the Behavioral Clinic in the Veterinary Medical Center at The Ohio State University (OSU). Due to regulatory restrictions, their medical records were not used here. Internal announcements to general staff and students were made at Nationwide Childrens Hospital, the Animal Sciences Department at OSU and the Blue Buffalo Clinical Trial Office, Veterinary Medical Center at OSU. Participants were encouraged to invite other dog owners and to submit samples from multiple dogs in their household. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 12/30/22 10:11:26 PM #45: |
there seems to be some kind of miscommunication. i'm not concerned with "behaviorally diagnosed" dogs, because of course any dog with a documented behavioral disorder is going to act a certain way. i'm concerned with the ones you find in a cage behind joe bob's trailer next to his muriatic acid barrels and car batteries. those are the ones that have been bred and re-bred, and that bloodline is going to be sold away on craigslist for 20 dollars a pup. damaged offspring of damaged offspring of damaged offspring, etc. --- The stone that fell is still falling, so let that stone be a wondrous thing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 12/30/22 10:16:12 PM #46: |
you might say to that: "well of course a line of inbred, mistreated dogs will have problems, that's not a pitbull-exclusive thing" and you're right, but as even the defenders have admitted, pitbulls are cheap, very numerous, and easy to get. pitbulls are the breed this occurs with the most, and until people want to hold breeders accountable for what they've done to this kind of dog for generations and generations, no large scale positive change is ever going to be made. --- The stone that fell is still falling, so let that stone be a wondrous thing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokison 12/30/22 10:35:07 PM #47: |
Okay, I'm not reading this whole topic yet, but imma say this. Pit bulls aren't inherently bad. It's the handlers. It's the fact the people who want agressive digs choose pits and let them behave that way. Same with that Chihuahua argument. Those people want a cute dog but have no capacity to train them, and they end up vicious to everyone except their master. Pits are the same. You train them to he loving to everything around, and they will be. You chain them up/throw then in a cage they're gonna wanna kill people. --- Word from the wise: Don't run in the shower. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I4NRulez 12/30/22 10:36:28 PM #48: |
viewmaster_pi posted... you might say to that: "well of course a line of inbred, mistreated dogs will have problems, that's not a pitbull-exclusive thing" As i guess what you would call a "pitbull defender" im glad to see someone who is on the other side see that its the environment around the dogs rather than the dogs thats the issue. Thats the issue we should be tackling and not the breed itself. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 12/30/22 10:53:27 PM #49: |
You only ever hear about pitbulls that were rehomed doing attacks. None of them were ever raised as a puppy. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 12/30/22 10:57:35 PM #50: |
So we're just gonna pretend selective breeding for behavior hasn't been established hundreds of years ago I guess I've seen weirder things here like an antivaxxer not believe in germ theory because it hurt his feelings ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_pika 12/30/22 11:37:47 PM #51: |
Ratchetrockon posted... Yes they synergize well with babies its such a powerful synergy. Its more like digestion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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