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voldothegr8
12/30/22 7:58:07 AM
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https://www.shutterbulky.com/dog-behavior/

From the excitable sheep dog to the aloof Shiba Inu, and all breeds in between, dogs have unique and diverse behavioral traits. By analyzing DNA samples from over 200 dog breeds along with nearly 50,000 pet-owner surveys, researchers at the National Institutes of Health have pinpointed many of the genes associated with the behaviors of specific dog breeds. Their work appears December 8th in the journal Cell.

The largest, most successful genetic experiment that humans have ever done is the creation of 350 dog breeds, says senior author Elaine Ostrander, founder of the Dog Genome Project at the National Human Genome Research Institute. We needed dogs to herd, we needed them to guard, we needed them to help us hunt, and our survival was intimately dependent on that.

Identification of the genes behind dog behavior has historically been challenging, says first author Emily Dutrow, postdoctoral fellow at the National Human Genome Research Institute. The inherent complexity of canine population dynamics features varying degrees of selective pressure for aesthetic and morphological traits, some of which may be linked to behavioral traits, so pinpointing the genetics of canine behavior can be complicated.

Kennel clubs generally categorize dog breeds on the basis of the jobs they are best suited for. To find the genetic drivers of the behavioral tendencies that make dogs good at specific tasks, the researchers gathered whole-genome data from over 4,000 purebred, mixed-breed, and semi-feral dogs, as well as wild canids.

By applying computational tools originally developed for studying single cells rather than whole organisms, Dutrow and team identified 10 major genetic lineages among hundreds of dog breeds, solely on the basis of DNA data. The researchers found that each lineage corresponded to a specific category of breeds historically used for tasks such as hunting by scent versus sight or herding versus protecting livestock, indicating that common sets of genes were responsible for behaviors among dog breeds well suited for similar tasks.

To understand the nature of these behaviors, the researchers turned to individual dog experts: pet owners. Using 46,000 behavioral assessment surveys sent to owners of purebred dogs, the researchers identified unique sets of behavioral tendencies among the 10 lineages of dogs. For example, behaviors associated with increased prey drive were associated with the terrier lineage, which contains breeds historically used for catching and killing prey.

Can we all agree now it's not just all about how you raise them?

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viewmaster_pi
12/30/22 8:03:03 AM
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pibbles are unique, they have no genetic sort of pre-disposition. they are pure and clean. perfect clay to be molded by their patrician masters

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voldothegr8
12/30/22 9:14:59 AM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
pibbles are unique, they have no genetic sort of pre-disposition. they are pure and clean. perfect clay to be molded by their patrician masters
Wouldn't hurt a fly

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shironinja
12/30/22 9:16:40 AM
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So humans are the same then and probably this has been known for some time.

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Kloe_Rinz
12/30/22 9:17:11 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Can we all agree now it's not just all about how you raise them?
Nobody said that, just that training is a major component and that bad owners are likely to have bad dogs, and most importantly, all owners are 100% responsible for any action their dog takes. This is like one of those studies they do to prove the sky is blue or some shit. There's no revelation here.
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MrKapowski
12/30/22 9:19:21 AM
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Kloe_Rinz
12/30/22 9:23:17 AM
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Jagr_68
12/30/22 9:26:48 AM
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Much like how scientists have also claimed black people were the best natural athletes and runners cuz genetics. It's all finally coming full circle...

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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 9:29:16 AM
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These mfs did a survey lmao

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Tyranthraxus
12/30/22 9:34:48 AM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
Nobody said that,

Winning the tour de France in reverse here.


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Background_Guy
12/30/22 9:41:40 AM
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Okay but how will this board cope when the behavioral assessment surveys don't show increased aggression in pitbulls? And when the scientists don't locate the Super Evil Aggression gene?
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viewmaster_pi
12/30/22 9:45:15 AM
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Background_Guy posted...
Okay but how will this board cope when the behavioral assessment surveys don't show increased aggression in pitbulls?
it was rigged, big pibble got to them

by which i mean a literal big pibble threatened them to change the results

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AloneIBreak
12/30/22 9:51:00 AM
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Same for humans.

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Background_Guy
12/30/22 9:57:37 AM
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Anyway, genetic testing of dog breeds to explain and predict behavior isn't a new thing. There was even a different study published earlier this year

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8819838/

An important finding was Pit Bull-type dogs in our community sample, as a group, were not more aggressive or likely to have a behavioral diagnosis than other dogs.
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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 1:33:55 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
Anyway, genetic testing of dog breeds to explain and predict behavior isn't a new thing. There was even a different study published earlier this year

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8819838/


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FortuneCookie
12/30/22 1:35:57 PM
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buncha fuckin' haters in this topic
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Zikten
12/30/22 1:52:22 PM
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Anyone who doesn't believe in dog genetics is in denial. Dogs all are about genetics towards different tasks

All dogs started as wolves. For all human history, we messed with their breeding to get different kinds of dogs to help us. Every breed is from a specific breeding project to create a dog that is good at a certain thing
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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 1:54:28 PM
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Zikten posted...
Anyone who doesn't believe in dog genetics is in denial. Dogs all are about genetics towards different tasks

All dogs started as wolves. For all human history, we messed with their breeding to get different kinds of dogs to help us. Every breed is from a specific breeding project to create a dog that is good at a certain thing

So you agree with this then?

Background_Guy posted...
An important finding was Pit Bull-type dogs in our community sample, as a group, were not more aggressive or likely to have a behavioral diagnosis than other dogs.


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Zikten
12/30/22 1:55:48 PM
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I dont know. I think pit bulls probably are genetically inclined for aggression . It's the reason they were bred
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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 1:57:16 PM
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Zikten posted...
I dont know. I think pit bulls probably are genetically inclined for aggression . It's the reason they were bred
There's a study right there that states they're not genetically inclined for aggression.

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Taharqa_
12/30/22 1:57:59 PM
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Zikten posted...
I dont know. I think pit bulls probably are genetically inclined for aggression . It's the reason they were bred

Animal aggression. They have bulldog and terrier ancestry, they will have a higher level of animal aggression due to that fact.

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Zikten
12/30/22 1:58:03 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
There's a study right there that states they're not genetically inclined for aggression.
Well maybe I don't agree with the study then. I have understood all my life that dogs are controlled by their genes
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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 2:01:12 PM
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Zikten posted...
Well maybe I don't agree with the study then. I have understood all my life that dogs are controlled by their genes
Lmao it couldn't possibly be you who is wrong in this case though right?

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I4NRulez
12/30/22 2:02:09 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Can we all agree now it's not just all about how you raise them?

Everyone already knew that. Studies have shown that pit bulls arent naturally dangerous.

Also, other studies have shown that herding dogs for example don't herd by nature but they have bred in qualities that make them better for herding.

Huskies and Malamutes are good examples of this. If you don't use them to sled they won't just start pulling you down the street. You wouldn't be able to just attach them to a shopping cart and they know what to do.

Also, if we used the "They were bred for this". Pitbulls would never attack people because the dogs used in dog fighting were bred to be animal/dog aggressive. If they attacked people they would get put down or beaten.


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Revelation34
12/30/22 2:02:18 PM
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Zikten posted...

Well maybe I don't agree with the study then. I have understood all my life that dogs are controlled by their genes


Ok Dr. Zikten.

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Lost_All_Senses
12/30/22 2:03:43 PM
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Let's keep in mind not only will they reject contradicting information, but also all first hand experience. So, it's just absolutely no want to see any other perspective ever. They just wanna demonize people's family members cause it's convenient for them to not understand their own fears might not be completely validated

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eggcorn
12/30/22 2:37:07 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
Nobody said that
I spit my tea out.

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Tyranthraxus
12/30/22 6:02:20 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
An important finding was Pit Bull-type dogs in our community sample, as a group, were not more aggressive or likely to have a behavioral diagnosis than other dogs.

We've been over this many times. Yes there are dogs like Chihuahuas that are more aggressive. The difference is what happens during an attack.

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Heartomaton
12/30/22 6:06:46 PM
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inb4 500

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Irony
12/30/22 6:07:13 PM
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So you're basically saying that dogs are the Lord of Darkness from Kamen Rider Agito

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Ratchetrockon
12/30/22 6:08:08 PM
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They are nanny dog

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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 8:52:32 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
We've been over this many times. Yes there are dogs like Chihuahuas that are more aggressive. The difference is what happens during an attack.
Yeah we have been over this before and I've explained many times the reason why pitbulls get a bad wrap. You all (including you) dig your heels in on behavioral habits of pitbulls being a genetic thing. Here's proof it isn't and that it's a learned trait. Killing off an entire breed of dog because some owners are shit is inhumane.

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viewmaster_pi
12/30/22 9:03:16 PM
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it's not proof of anything except their community's sample they studied didn't display aggressive traits. what kind of pits were they? purebred from a clean pedigree? i have a feeling they aren't having the pitbulls you see on the news being volunteered for this study. get some of the backyard inbred ones, or the fighting stock, and see what their genetics have to say.

i've never said all pitbulls are bad, (apab, lol) but there's a very large chunk of the breed's living population that's treated like trash, bred in worse and worse conditions, end up fucked up and shoveled off into a dumpster, or used as fighting/bait dogs, or sold off in triplicate to trashy owners that leave them chained up all the time. those are the pits that are being bred the most, so let's get a study on the ones the worst affected instead of cherry picking "good" ones and saying "see, they aren't bad lalala i can't hear you"

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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 9:05:45 PM
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"It doesn't prove anything because it doesn't support my ignorant beliefs"

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the_pika
12/30/22 9:08:30 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
pibbles are unique, they have no genetic sort of pre-disposition. they are pure and clean. perfect clay to be molded by their patrician masters

that is not true. Pibbles have a genetic predisposition to be nanny dogs, the sweetest dogs you will ever meet, that will lick you to death and wear flower tiaras and stuff. Pibble moms in Facebook told me
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viewmaster_pi
12/30/22 9:16:29 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
"It doesn't prove anything because it doesn't support my ignorant beliefs"
but it does prove something when it supports yours, lol. go figure

i really don't need to hear shit from you after you decided you'd rather personally insult me over this instead of, you know, talking like an adult. if you want to be heard and taken seriously, maybe you should think about that before flapping off at the mouth like a little kid in every one of these threads because the kind of dog you own has a bad reputation and you feel attacked by it

i mean attacked by the reputation, not the dog, lol. let's hope for your sake it stays that way, huh

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Ratchetrockon
12/30/22 9:19:06 PM
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the_pika posted...
that is not true. Pibbles have a genetic predisposition to be nanny dogs, the sweetest dogs you will ever meet, that will lick you to death and wear flower tiaras and stuff. Pibble moms in Facebook told me

Yes they synergize well with babies

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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 9:29:29 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
but it does prove something when it supports yours, lol. go figure

i really don't need to hear shit from you after you decided you'd rather personally insult me over this instead of, you know, talking like an adult. if you want to be heard and taken seriously, maybe you should think about that before flapping off at the mouth like a little kid in every one of these threads because the kind of dog you own has a bad reputation and you feel attacked by it

i mean attacked by the reputation, not the dog, lol. let's hope for your sake it stays that way, huh
Lmao yes it does prove something when it supports mine? There's literally no study that supports your stance.

And I really don't give a shit about trudging through another drawn out, multiple page long argument with you or the rest of you. Your beliefs are constantly proven wrong by scientists and professionals in the field. Just because you "feel" a certain way doesn't mean shit when those feelings have not only been proven to be demonstrably false but also morally repugnant. So okay have a good day!

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COVxy
12/30/22 9:29:56 PM
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How about linking to the actual paper and discussing from the data?

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viewmaster_pi
12/30/22 9:34:55 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
There's literally no study that supports your stance.
no shit, that's my point, they don't want to use a relevant baseline that has anything to do with what we see happening. no one's accusing some kennel club type showdog pibble named Archibald von Fluffenstuff, Herald of Queen's Teatime of craving human blood. they're worlds apart, not even in the equation

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A_Good_Boy
12/30/22 9:54:46 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
it's not proof of anything except their community's sample they studied didn't display aggressive traits. what kind of pits were they? purebred from a clean pedigree? i have a feeling they aren't having the pitbulls you see on the news being volunteered for this study. get some of the backyard inbred ones, or the fighting stock, and see what their genetics have to say.

i've never said all pitbulls are bad, (apab, lol) but there's a very large chunk of the breed's living population that's treated like trash, bred in worse and worse conditions, end up fucked up and shoveled off into a dumpster, or used as fighting/bait dogs, or sold off in triplicate to trashy owners that leave them chained up all the time. those are the pits that are being bred the most, so let's get a study on the ones the worst affected instead of cherry picking "good" ones and saying "see, they aren't bad lalala i can't hear you"


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8819838/

Dog owners residing anywhere in the US were recruited to participate through public announcements. One was targeted to behaviorally diagnosed dog patients at the Behavioral Clinic in the Veterinary Medical Center at The Ohio State University (OSU). Due to regulatory restrictions, their medical records were not used here. Internal announcements to general staff and students were made at Nationwide Childrens Hospital, the Animal Sciences Department at OSU and the Blue Buffalo Clinical Trial Office, Veterinary Medical Center at OSU. Participants were encouraged to invite other dog owners and to submit samples from multiple dogs in their household.


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viewmaster_pi
12/30/22 10:11:26 PM
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there seems to be some kind of miscommunication. i'm not concerned with "behaviorally diagnosed" dogs, because of course any dog with a documented behavioral disorder is going to act a certain way. i'm concerned with the ones you find in a cage behind joe bob's trailer next to his muriatic acid barrels and car batteries. those are the ones that have been bred and re-bred, and that bloodline is going to be sold away on craigslist for 20 dollars a pup. damaged offspring of damaged offspring of damaged offspring, etc.

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viewmaster_pi
12/30/22 10:16:12 PM
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you might say to that: "well of course a line of inbred, mistreated dogs will have problems, that's not a pitbull-exclusive thing"

and you're right, but as even the defenders have admitted, pitbulls are cheap, very numerous, and easy to get. pitbulls are the breed this occurs with the most, and until people want to hold breeders accountable for what they've done to this kind of dog for generations and generations, no large scale positive change is ever going to be made.

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Lokison
12/30/22 10:35:07 PM
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Okay, I'm not reading this whole topic yet, but imma say this.

Pit bulls aren't inherently bad. It's the handlers. It's the fact the people who want agressive digs choose pits and let them behave that way.

Same with that Chihuahua argument. Those people want a cute dog but have no capacity to train them, and they end up vicious to everyone except their master. Pits are the same. You train them to he loving to everything around, and they will be. You chain them up/throw then in a cage they're gonna wanna kill people.

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I4NRulez
12/30/22 10:36:28 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
you might say to that: "well of course a line of inbred, mistreated dogs will have problems, that's not a pitbull-exclusive thing"

and you're right, but as even the defenders have admitted, pitbulls are cheap, very numerous, and easy to get. pitbulls are the breed this occurs with the most, and until people want to hold breeders accountable for what they've done to this kind of dog for generations and generations, no large scale positive change is ever going to be made.

As i guess what you would call a "pitbull defender" im glad to see someone who is on the other side see that its the environment around the dogs rather than the dogs thats the issue.

Thats the issue we should be tackling and not the breed itself.

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Revelation34
12/30/22 10:53:27 PM
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You only ever hear about pitbulls that were rehomed doing attacks. None of them were ever raised as a puppy.

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Rexdragon125
12/30/22 10:57:35 PM
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So we're just gonna pretend selective breeding for behavior hasn't been established hundreds of years ago

I guess I've seen weirder things here like an antivaxxer not believe in germ theory because it hurt his feelings
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the_pika
12/30/22 11:37:47 PM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
Yes they synergize well with babies

its such a powerful synergy. Its more like digestion
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